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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:26 PM Original message |
The DLC....don't fireball me please.... |
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HereSince1628 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
1. Go read about them on their own website. It's plenty condemning. |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #1 |
5. Web site: |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:07 AM Response to Reply #5 |
90. Economic conservatism is definitely not the way to go. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. What is condemning about their website, pray tell? |
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SaveElmer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Funny I was going to make the same suggestion... |
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mermaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:29 PM Response to Original message |
2. Basically, The DLC Is Republican Lite. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:32 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Moving right on what issues? |
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mermaid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Just As An Example |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:50 PM Response to Reply #6 |
13. Thanks for the info!! |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #6 |
42. no - it's to inoculate herself on the issue |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 04:16 AM Response to Reply #42 |
101. Finally... |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. Primarily, the DLC moves rightward on economic and foreign policy issues.. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
11. So it's more what they do than what they say & the two don't always match? |
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SteppingRazor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:01 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. I wouldn't quite say that... |
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RazzleDazzle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:32 PM Response to Reply #9 |
41. They're not real good on social equality issues, either, but they ARE |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
20. well...I have seen them suggest we have to abandon gay rights, |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Good info!! Thank you! |
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Lerkfish (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:16 PM Response to Reply #21 |
23. I'm no expert, that's just my personal observations |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
4. yeah they're the opposite of a progressive democrat |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. How so? |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:03 AM Response to Reply #10 |
109. Consider these values...do they fit DLC?(Not doctored up & edited, either) |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #4 |
85. Last year, Clinton said "Shut Up and Fall In Line" - that's a quote. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
12. www.dlc.org will answer most of your questions. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:52 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. Thank you! I will read more on the site |
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RazzleDazzle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
43. Here's some more reading material for you |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #43 |
48. Thank you! |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
15. The DLC turned me into a newt! |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
16. I don't agree with them on every issue, but.... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:23 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. Gotcha |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:57 PM Response to Reply #16 |
32. there's also the obnoxious claim that the DLC is responsible for... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. Ha! |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:18 PM Response to Reply #33 |
37. well, actually what it boiled down to was... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. You're right - |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:40 AM Response to Reply #37 |
83. The status quo in 1994 Was 2 years of Democrats and 12 years of Republican |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 05:52 AM Response to Reply #83 |
103. Ah! Leftwing historical revisionism |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #103 |
114. yeah they controlled the hill but they didn't control the WHITE HOUSE |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. well, since the topic was the 1994 elections, your reply is bit irrelevant |
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leftofthedial (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
17. All you need to know is that the "L" in DLC |
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Aaaargh (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:00 PM Response to Original message |
18. Some links, with samples |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Thank you for the links!!! |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Wonder why there's no links to the DLC itself... |
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Aaaargh (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:41 PM Response to Reply #28 |
29. 'Cause you were nice enough to do that FOR me, Mr. B! |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. So, you're going to rely on what other people tell you about it |
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Aaaargh (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #30 |
46. Bwahahahaha! |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Wait right there.... |
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Aaaargh (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Hmmm. Seems like you don't want to talk about FACTS, Mr. B! |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. Happy to talk about facts... |
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NoPasaran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #50 |
112. Not just "any dimwit" can edit Wikipedia |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
36. The question is what does Wittmann feel now? |
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Aaaargh (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Is there a conflict, 'tween working for the DLC and the Xtian Coalition? |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:01 PM Response to Reply #51 |
57. In my opinion, yes, there would be a conflict |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:05 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Of course there's a conflict... |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #58 |
61. "Progressive Internationalism" is the same as "liberal internationalism" |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:28 PM Response to Reply #61 |
63. Oooh, Party of the People is a great book. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
54. Some people on the left seem to want to operate in an echo chamber |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. No kool-aid for you? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. No kool-aid for me. |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:47 PM Response to Reply #54 |
67. MrBenchley - where is the Center these days? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:37 PM Response to Reply #67 |
76. If that really is a big mystery to you |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:45 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. How do I speak to the "extreme left" exactly? please be specific.. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Hey have it your way. |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:53 AM Response to Reply #79 |
86. You're usual MO - won't back up your assertions - you've got no |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:00 AM Response to Reply #86 |
88. Get back to me when you figure out where the center is |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:59 AM Response to Reply #88 |
95. Done that already - The DLC Moved the "Center" Smack Dab |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 02:33 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. So your question wasn't a question at all |
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longship (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
22. Because the DLC PAC claims to speak for Dems. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Excellent point. There's enough division already out there. |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
26. I used to be a member |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 04:54 PM Response to Original message |
31. My biggest problem? They take money from far right groups... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:10 PM Response to Reply #31 |
35. OK, that is odd. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:20 PM Response to Reply #31 |
44. I'd like to see the evidence |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:41 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Yeah, see, gotta dig for the facts. Don't want rumors. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:49 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. It appears from the article |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:08 PM Response to Original message |
34. The problem with the anti-DLC rhetoric is... |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. And that's why I posted this thread! |
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Aaaargh (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 03:09 AM Response to Reply #34 |
100. Please don't generalize about specifics |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 06:23 AM Response to Reply #100 |
106. I'm not generalizing. That's what the anti-DLCers do. |
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Kurovski (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 05:30 PM Response to Original message |
40. Recommended. This thread is a good discussion from |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:21 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Thank you! That's very nice of you to say!! |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 06:55 PM Response to Original message |
52. Here is one problem for sure. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:30 PM Response to Reply #52 |
64. Ahem |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
69. You are really spinning today. Dean never said cut and run. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. Speaking of spin.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:17 AM Response to Reply #77 |
81. Dean is being honest in saying we can not win...let's do the best we can. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:31 AM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Dean was a lunkhead for saying it.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:41 AM Response to Reply #82 |
84. When you parse words and so many are dying.... |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:57 AM Response to Reply #84 |
87. Don't hand me that crap.... |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #87 |
89. There is nothing to win, but we have an obligation to leave some troops. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:28 AM Response to Reply #89 |
91. "I have not read Clark's plan you mention" |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:54 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. I did not bring Clark's plan up. It was not what I was talking about. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 02:26 AM Response to Reply #93 |
97. No one said you brought it up...but you DID dismiss it |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Double posted. Delete. |
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flpoljunkie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
55. Read this. "How the DLC Does It" by Robert Dreyfuss |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:08 PM Response to Original message |
60. Another thing. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #60 |
62. Ok, have a related question for you |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:07 PM Response to Reply #62 |
68. I don't support leaving tomorrow, and that is not what Dean said. |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:32 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. No, this isn't a win or lose situation. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #60 |
66. So tell us... |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #60 |
94. I think it's all about what your definition of "win" is. |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 08:43 PM Response to Original message |
71. B. Clinton, Gore and Kerry are all DLC, what do you think about them? |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
72. AZBlue, these 3 paragraphs are very telling. |
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radio4progressives (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 02:12 AM Response to Reply #72 |
96. This is one of those most candid pieces that really tell the story.. |
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Heewack (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 10:39 PM Response to Original message |
73. Because winning elections is no longer en vogue. |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 12:12 AM Response to Reply #73 |
80. Aha. |
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ulysses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 04:23 AM Response to Reply #80 |
102. you must be a purist. |
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jackbourassa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-07-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
74. They're disruptive |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 01:43 AM Response to Original message |
92. I agree with the current DLC position on Iraq. |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 02:35 AM Response to Reply #92 |
99. I see nothing wrong with it either.... |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 06:14 AM Response to Reply #92 |
105. I have problems with the language of it... |
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Clarkie1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #105 |
113. Your point about permanent bases is a good one. n/t |
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itzamirakul (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 06:04 AM Response to Original message |
104. Somebody from DLC wants to find a way to counter dislike for their |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
107. a few more sources for you: |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 11:59 AM Response to Reply #107 |
111. Thank you!! |
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AtomicKitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 06:41 AM Response to Original message |
108. I've got too much venom for the opposition |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Dec-08-05 11:58 AM Response to Reply #108 |
110. I've noticed! |
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