Exactly when did "24 hours" become "24 business hours"?

[seriousstan]

I know truthout has changed their webpage story to show "business hours" but there are multiple existing and cached examples of direct cut and paste quotes showing "24 hours". When did truthout change the page or did Jason do an update?

[C_U_L8R]

1. At the 25th hour?

just a guess.


(it will all happen in good time... no worries)

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. LOL...excellent

:thumbsup:

[Sanity Claws]

2. Bogus

I could imagine Fitz saying on Friday, you have a day or 24 hours to get your affairs in order and referring to Monday. Attorneys often calculate in terms of business days. However, I have never heard anyone refer to 24 business hours and have it mean 3 business days. Never. And I'm an attorney. It would have been more normal to say you have 3 business days.

[seriousstan]

3. I agree, I was just wondering when and who changed the original

story on truthout.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

4. It's always been business hours

Someone read it without understanding the business part and started using it to say leopold was a liar.

It's not a change, it's someone trying to get around jumping on the swiftboating of leopold.

[seriousstan]

5. Then explain why the story is cut and pasted all over the net as "24 hours

http://news.yahoo.com/s/huffpost/20060514/cm_huffpost/020957

http://blog.thedemocraticdaily.com/?p=2977

http://www.newshounds.us/2006/05/13/karl_rove_indicted_on_perjury_lying_to_investigators.php

http://www.myleftwing.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8505

http://smirkingchimp.com/viewtopic.php?topic=65245&forum=7

http://www.progressiveu.org/102037-karl-rove-indicted

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/truthout-reporting-that-k_b_20957.html

Funny how all of these sources get EVERY OTHER PHRASE EXACT, except for the one they CUT AND PASTED wrong.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

8. because people can't read?

http://www.truthout.org/docs_2006/051306W.shtml

that's the orginal article by the author

And right there is

"he has 24 business hours to get his affairs in order"

That article is from saturday, and if people can't quote properly it is not the fault of the author.

It's just part of the swiftboating.

[seriousstan]

10. B.S...the original article was changed on truthout.

Everyone on the web cts and pastes. NOBODY types an article all over again.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

18. You do read Media Matters?

They showcase how "quotes" are misquoted all the time

I read the article early this weekend, and it was 24 business hours then. And people were trying to say things would happen monday. I knew they were wrong then, and now they are trying to cover their asses.


I'm not surprised this is the latest attack on Leopold. Rove has been smearing the reporter for days now, and the attacks changed as they fail.

Just wait a few hours. This lie about the article will be dropped and a new one will appear.

It's too bad it wasn't printed on paper. I bet Rove wishes he could do the font attack next.

[seriousstan]

21. I do read the DU, which is always cut and paste....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x2282488

I also have found the link by Will Pitt explaining who and when it was changed. But don't let that stop you from insisting it was never changed. Don't let the facts get in your way.

[Codeine]

24. Baloney!

It said "24 hours" and then was edited to "24 business hours." There was a thread from Will Pitt discussing it called something like "Jason Leopold just emailed me with a very important dclarification" or something close to that.

You can repeat your mistake as loudly and obnoxiously as you'd like and it still won't change the fact that the term "business hours" did not appear in the original story.

[Freedom_Aflaim]

25. If leopold is claiming that "business hours" was there all along

then we have a serious credibility problem imo.

Frankly I don't think that leopold is claiming thats its never been changed, but apparently some of his supporters are making that claim.

[high density]

20. Dude they changed the article to add "business"

It's documented in threads on this site!

[Igel]

22. Apparently the original article

was edited.

That's a drawback to web-based citations: they morph without overt notice. The word 'business' was quickly added to the original original article, without any notice.

In this case, your link has an embedded HTML comment: "Last Updated May 14th, 2006 - 14:38:46". No indication as to what the last update was.

[seriousstan]

23. Thank you for reading the original question correctly.

This is what I asked.

Could you please tell me how to see this embedded HTML comment.

Thanks again.

[Igel]

27. Here's how to check the source code.

Not all software includes an update line at the beginning, some puts it at the end, and some doesn't bother with it. When I did a lot of HTML in a previous life, my favorite HTML editor was Notepad. :-)

In IE, under pull-down menu 'View', select 'source'. For Firefox, it's under 'View' and 'page source' (or control+U).

[seriousstan]

31. Thanks

[alcibiades_mystery]

9. Tell me one person you've ever met who's used the term "24 business hours"

It's completely ridiculous.

People say 24 hours, they mean tomorrow.

If they are referring to "business time" they say 2 business days, or 3 business days, or 5 business days. Nobody ever says 16 business hours. It's completely stupid.

Leopold may even be credited with coining an expression: 24 business hours! :rofl:

It's downright Vonnegutesque.

[seriousstan]

12. He really meant 1 Venusian day, so we have well over 200 days left.

[area51]

26. LOL. (n/t)

[trumad]

13. I've asked if a Saurday and a Sunday were included

on many business occassions---and the reply was, no we mean business hours, not weekends.

[alcibiades_mystery]

15. Business hours is used differently

Business hours is generally used as follows: What are your business hours? Oh, we only contact you during business hours. Available during regular business hours. It indicates a state of openness, or it indicates "regular" workdays, M-F 8-5.

I've never heard of it used to indicate a duration: you have 39 business hours to reject this contract.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

14. Here

http://helpdesk.princeton.edu/kb/display.plx?ID=3338

http://www.accesskansas.org/about/about.html

They do not mean within one day

And here is a definition of 24 business hours being 3 days from a google search:

Software Process Improvement (SPI): Modeling Return on Investment ...
File Format: Microsoft Word - View as HTML
... length of time for Inspection training is three days or 24 business hours. ... The law of diminishing returns applies. There are only a few significant ...
davidfrico.com/dacs02b.doc

[alcibiades_mystery]

17. OK, color me wrong

I googled it, and there are 318,000 hits for 24 business hours. I worked in corporate law for years, and never saw the term used that way.

I admit when I'm wrong.

[jumpoffdaplanet]

19. I just wish it was thursday

Of course bush will pardon rove but it will be sweet if rove is frog-marched!!!

:)

[onenote]

29. maybe you're not as wrong as you think

I also have never seen lawyers use the terminology "24 business hours" when they mean 3 business days. And interestingly, from the following case, its not clear that 24 business hours means 3 business days.

Here's a link to a case involving a state law that required information to be provided within 24 business hours of a request. The request was made at the end of the day on Thursday March 15. The government office in question was closed for business on Friday, Saturday, Sunday, reopening on Monday March 19. The order in this case concludes that a response was due at the end of the day on Monday the 19th, which is not what you would expect if 24 business hours meant three busineess days.

http://www.in.gov/pac/advisory/2001/2001fc21.html

[Jacobin]

7. Don't forget to allow for coffee breaks, lunch and traffic jams

:-)

[DemNoir]

11. You guys have it wrong!

He really means after "24".

[Elidor]

16. Pitt posted a thread mentioning that the word "business" had been added

The title of the thread was along the lines of "I just got off the phone with Jason Leopold." I saw it either late last night or early this morning in GD.

[onenote]

28. here's a link to Will's post explaining the change

and despite what some here seem to have claimed, it definitely was a change in the original story as written.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=364&topic_id=1186820

[TheVirginian]

30. Either way, the clock is running out on Leopold's credibility.