Gore-Obama 2008

[beaconess]

Discuss.

[ThomCat]

1. Obama doesn't impress me. He campaigns for Lieberman.

He sounded good when he was campaining for himself, but since he got elected he doesn't seem to be nearly as progressive as people thing.

[ripple]

23. Do you have a link?

Last I knew he was suppoting Lamont. Has that changed?

[ThomCat]

27. Here is a link.

Obama spoke at a fundraiser for Lieberman and said, "I am absolutely certain that Connecticut's going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the United States Senate."

[ripple]

29. That was months before Lamont won the primary

Hell, MOST democrats on The Hill supported Lieberman when he was presumed to be the nominee. Once Lamont became the Dem nominee, they got behind him.

As part of the same dialogue that you quoted, Obama also said "And Joe and I don't agree about everything", before he went on to praise Lieberman's character.

And Obama certainly doesn't VOTE like Lieberman.

I understand it if you don't like Obama, but it's intellectually dishonest to attempt to characterize him as something he isn't. And he isn't a Lieberman supporter in the Connecticut race.

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[ripple]

32. I called your argument intellectually dishonest, not you

I've actually read a lot of your posts and I usually agree with you. I just don't happen to agree with you this time.

I'm sorry if I have offended you, as that was not my intent.

[ThomCat]

35. Taken off-list.

Appology accepted. You didn't intend offense, and I've calmed down. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

[ripple]

39. Thank you for accepting my apology, ThomCat

I appreciate it. :hug:

[ThomCat]

45. :)

:hug:

[Clark2008]

2. No.

Gore's more than likely not going to run and Obama couldn't flip any red states.

[rhiannon55]

3. Works for me

:patriot:

[saracat]

4. Busy yourselves with the real election 2006.

This is NO time to deal with 2008. We need to take back congress first.And we don't need any distractions!

[beaconess]

14. Thank you for your instructions.

But since I'm more than capable of walking and chewing gum at the same time, I'll continue with what I was doing . . .

[saracat]

15. Working much on this election or just sitiing on the internet? Hmm?

[Artful Dodger]

18. Very well said

First things first! Mid-terms are less than two weeks away.

[bowens43]

5. Gore couldn't beat the idiot.

To go with someone who has already shown that he doesn't have what it takes to win would be a mistake.

Obama on the otherhand is an excellent choice for VP.

[Benhurst]

6. Gore was cheated out his 2000 victory.

Obama has, so far, been a major disappointment. Maybe he'll grow a pair eventually and live up to the promise many of us thought he had. Until then, he shouldn't be on the ticket.

[danimich1]

41. I don't know what the big deal is about Obama

I still haven't seen or heard anything to get me excited. I think he's being cautious, or he's just not that progressive.

[Zensea]

9. Nixon couldn't beat JFK either

Besides which as someone already noted Gore actually did beat Bush.

[demwing]

11. Wow. Rush much?

Gore did beat the idiot. In popular votes certainly, and he would have done so in Electoral votes as well if the Supremes hadn't intervened.

What's going on with you?

[Uncle Joe]

42. If Al Gore couldn't beat the idiot as you say,

how could he have the vision to empower you to post your wisdom for all the world to see, when he championed the internet, only to be trashed by the mass corporate media for his efforts? Kind of ironic isn't it?:shrug:

[jobycom]

7. Maybe. Big names, lots of national respect. Gore's won before.

The race thing would be intriquing to a lot of people, in both directions. We could, and sadly probably will, do a lot worse.

[Pirate Smile]

8. I like it.

I do think Obama is the top VP choice.

It depends on if Gore decides to run or not.

It has a good mix of experience plus hope.

[Totally Committed]

10. Obama's too conservative for my taste at the moment,

but thanks anyway.

TC

[waiting for hope]

12. Gore / Edwards....

Now that's a winning combination...

[beaconess]

16. I can't imagine Edwards running as a #2 again . . .

I think for him it would be the top spot or nothing.

Interesting thought, though. Has anyone ever before run as VP twice with two different presidential nominees?

[Radical Activist]

38. Yes

Adlai Stevenson of Illinois
George Clinton of New York
There may have been others but those two off the top of my head.

[demwing]

13. Why?

[tk2kewl]

17. Gore/Clark

[Not Me]

19. Bingo.

With all the leftover crap from Iraq, couple with the need to rejuvenate a tired military, Wes is perfect on the ticket.

[tk2kewl]

21. I'd be willing to flip it, but I doubt Al's up for that.

[Stand and Fight]

20. Gore - YES! Obama - NO, NO, NO! n/t

[Bucky]

22. Discussion of possible VP candidates is stupid, 1 person makes that choice

Work for who you want for the presidential nominee. Naming possible VP candidates comes off as pandering and pointless. Only one person has any say in that selection.

[apnu]

24. Gore: a bad idea, I'll explain why...

One of the biggest compaints I hear about the Dems is they don't have 'fresh ideas and fresh faces' Gore is a symbol of the old, pre-2000 Dem party that many middle of the road voters didn't like. Yes, I know Gore isn't like that and is, IMO, a better guy today than in the past. However, he (like Hillary) is a symbol of the old days and that'll turn people off.

The Dems need new faces which will bring 'new' ideas and breathe some air into an otherwise flat (again from the joe sixpacks perspective) party.

And we have them. Clark, Dean, Obama et al. Good choices all. I know a lot of people here think Gore should get his due, but face facts folk, that ain't gonna happen. He got robbed, I hate it -- a black stain that will never wash away IMO, but its time to move on and kick the GOP in the teeth in 2008 as we'll kick them in the teeth in a few weeks.

[beaconess]

25. Clark and Dean aren't fresh faces anymore

And, unfortunately, we're damned if we do and damned if we don't. Experienced hands are dismissed as yesterday's news. But "fresh faces" are to quickly dismissed as lacking in experience or gravitas.

Can you think of any other fresh faces who have the requisite experience?

[apnu]

31. 'fresh' here is a relitive term

But in 2004, Clark and Dean were fresh faces then. Now... yeah I tend to agree with you, regardless of my opinion, Dean might seem stale. But I think he's got a better shot at throwing his hat in the ring than Gore or Kerry who seem to be really played out. Obama certainly has an air of 'freshness' about him, but cozying up to Liberman has soured me a bit. I'm still proud that I voted for him tho.

As for the inexpirence, that's easy to counter, just point out our 'fearless' Simian-in-Chief -- he certainly didn't have the expirence when he ran in 2000. I mean really, a one term govenor as the 'expirence' to operate the levers of power? (History has shown that he can't but that's a different topic). As for gravitas, that's just a fancy way of putting on airs like you're serious. Which enough Americans were dumb enough to fall for, said Chimp's gravitas.

I'm kinda drawing a blank here on who else in the party can be 'fresh', the party is so wide and deep I kinda get lost in all the faces/names iI see pop up.

[garybeck]

34. I call BS.

There is a mountain of problems in the world and our country. We need experienced leaders.

[Uncle Joe]

43. Bush was a fresh face in 2000, so much for fresh faces n/t

[samfishX]

26. I Used To Love The Idea Of This Ticket

But lately, I've begun to sour on Obama. I still love Al Gore and hope he runs again in 2008, because I think it'd be about as close to being a cakewalk as it gets in Presidential elections...assuming, that is, the "new" Al Gore runs and not the one from 2000.

But Obama seems like he has moved to the right lately and practically ripping on his base (IE- most of us). I wouldn't be opposed to his being in the VP slot since he REALLY knows how to talk to crowds...but from a personal point of view, I'm not as thrilled with him anymore.

[Benhurst]

28. Ron Reagan knew how to talk to crowds, but I'm not in

favor of digging him up for that reason.

Obama has been talking to crowds all right, but not delivering a progressive message.

Let's get somebody else -- a progressive-- to run with Al. Clark would be a good choice.

[Radical Activist]

40. Obama is solidly progressive.

Maybe the problem you're having is that he's arguing for progressive values in a way that appeals to non-progressive voters. That's a pretty good way to win national elections and then put progressive policies into place. A national candidate has to speak to people of all ideologies, not just throw read meat to hard core liberals.

[Benhurst]

46. Yeah, like starting off by voting to confirm

Condoleezza Rice as Secretary of State and then John Negroponte as Director of National Intelligence.

He went on to vote for a bill to limit the right to seek legal redress against abusive corporations and helped vote down a Democratic amendment to cap the abusive interest rates credit card companies could charge.

No wonder the corporate media never took after him and continues to push him forward.

His record does seem to be getting a bit better as of late, but has been disappointing so far.

Maybe he will eventually live up to the hopes many of us had for him; but he
still has a long way to go.

[Radical Activist]

49. I was disappointed with Feingold

and some of the bad appointees he supported, like Ashcroft. I don't think that makes either one too conservative.

[Radical Activist]

37. What did Obama do to move right?

I've seen this accusation repeated several times today with no specific examples. If you mean Lieberman, supporting incumbent Senators of your own party for re-election is a Senatorial courtesy that everyone does. It doesn't mean Obama moved right.

[AtomicKitten]

44. absolutely nothing - zip, nada, goose-egg

It's just a rumor passed around DU carelessly and without merit which is mind-boggling lame.

[AtomicKitten]

33. I think a Gore/Obama ticket would kick some serious ass.

I think many here AS USUAL are way off base on Obama which is tragic since they are erroneously mischaracterizing and overlooking a real contender. It is a false impression that is passed around DU like a scorching case of Chlamydia.

[Radical Activist]

36. One of several tickets that could win in '08.

I think people underestimate the advantage Democrats will gain from increased African-American turn out if we finally put a black person on the ticket. I think it will put a couple southern states in play and more than make up for the racist vote that already votes mostly Republic.

[citizen snips]

47. Gore is not going to run

I just have not seen anything lately to indicate that he is going to run.

[FrenchieCat]

48. I like that ticket better than the Clinton/Edwards ticket

hanging round today....that's for sho'!

I believe Gore knows what's up on Foreign policy-- Hillary and Edwards; not so much!