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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 10:57 PM Original message |
Debunking the John Edwards/DLC myth |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:00 PM Response to Original message |
1. Edwards might present himself as a populist, but his record says otherwise |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Such piffle. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:06 PM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Then how do you account for his actual record. Then there's the proposals he ran with last |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:11 PM Response to Reply #5 |
6. Then you might enjoy the company of those who appreciate Edwards |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:14 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. I always thought trial lawyers were the bane of corporate business |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:16 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. A good point, one often overlooked by uh... casual observers. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:11 AM Response to Reply #9 |
48. Oh please, bullshit rhetoric. This is like Dean all over again. DU'er pretending a candidate |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:23 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. Oh, yes...every Dean thread you would |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #52 |
76. Actually, every issue I had with Dean was valid. And I'd have probably supported him |
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Old and In the Way (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #48 |
60. Hard to shoot a moving target. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #60 |
77. I'm complaining about his willingness to kiss AIPAC ass. To conveniently ignore larger issues. |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #48 |
91. Well, you're welcome to throw in with the Clark or Kucinich campaigns, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:08 AM Response to Reply #7 |
47. What you posted is irrelevant to his actual voting record and platform the last time he ran |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 11:16 AM Response to Reply #2 |
92. No you don't. |
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MannyGoldstein (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:05 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. Exactly |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. To beat Obama and Hillary he's going to have to distinguish himself from them |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:12 AM Response to Reply #8 |
36. He's never been anything but a populist. Even before he entered politics. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
46. that is a load of crap. Look at his record and look at his platform last go around. |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:22 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. I've seen his record in the Senate and his record on many other things too. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #51 |
78. You just made my point for me. Except Kerry did investingating as a Senator. |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:09 PM Response to Reply #51 |
94. Their records are very different:and Kerry is not running and shouldn't be included |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #36 |
96. Who knows what he was before he entered politics? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:42 PM Response to Reply #1 |
13. I remember commentators saying in 2003 and 04 that the DLC was no fan |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. You are right |
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saltpoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:03 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Correct. Kerry took some fire, but stuck with his man. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #13 |
55. Sirota hates Clinton and Obama because they didn't campaign hard for Lamont |
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ToeBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:51 PM Response to Reply #55 |
68. Seems like a perfectly legitimate reason to me. n/t |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #55 |
84. Cite? |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 12:28 PM Response to Reply #84 |
95. Sirota worked on the Lamont campaign |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #13 |
74. To say the DLC was no fan of Edwards is simply not true |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:45 PM Response to Reply #74 |
85. Then ask Dan Schorr why he said it. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 04:14 PM Response to Reply #85 |
97. I don't know why he said it when its obviously not true (nt) |
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ryanmuegge (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #1 |
54. You are right about his record, but I'm hoping he is different now. |
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citizen snips (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:50 PM Response to Reply #1 |
67. John Edwards record... |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
3. You don't have to officially join the DLC to sell out... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:44 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. You don't have to be a member for them to claim you're one either. Remember Obama |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:50 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yes. Somehow I doubt that was an honest mistake. |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:05 AM Response to Reply #14 |
22. Well, Edwards never asked for it, His name has been there for years, |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:46 PM Response to Reply #22 |
86. So what does it mean to have your name on the site when they put Obama's name |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 08:52 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. So, nobody is a member, I guess, if all they have to do is say, no, I was never a member |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:25 PM Response to Original message |
10. What? |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. Thank you, |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Apr-17-07 11:32 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Ouch |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
18. I think that you are wrong. I think that John Edwards may no longer |
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venable (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:36 AM Response to Reply #18 |
42. thank you. sincerely. |
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Alexander (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:09 AM Response to Original message |
19. It almost seems like Edwards is trying to capture Gore supporters. |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 05:42 AM Response to Original message |
20. I like Edwards, but this is another example of his camp's historical revisionism |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:48 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. That is my biggest concern if Edwards is the candidate |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:02 AM Response to Reply #23 |
24. He's using his wife and other sources to rewrite his political history |
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karynnj (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:16 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. I agree - and wonder why he thinks he can do that |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:22 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. It's bothersome to me because I like the guy. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:49 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Why would he do that? I thought the netroots were insignificant |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:53 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. I'm asking myself the same question since Obama and Kucinich have that segment sewed up |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:55 AM Response to Reply #31 |
32. So you are saying he is pandering to a segment that is already "sewed up"? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:05 AM Response to Reply #32 |
33. I believe I have made that clear. Further, have you abandoned the premise of your OP? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. It comes down to parsing what the definition of the DLC is |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:17 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. You have a fixation with the term "parsing." |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:52 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. We have to remember Edwards isn't a career politician |
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bpeale (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
63. people change over time |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:20 AM Response to Reply #20 |
50. Edwards knows the game very well and is a gifted politician. (nt) |
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bling bling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #20 |
88. Add to that his bad choices on voting on environmental issues. |
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Clark2008 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #20 |
93. Wow - we agree on something!! |
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Mass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 06:01 AM Response to Original message |
21. So, why was he in the list of the New Democrat (=DLC) Senate caucus |
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mrgorth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
27. I love Edwards |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:07 AM Response to Reply #27 |
53. You do, eh? Long time |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
28. Further debunking of the debunking of the John Edwards/DLC myth |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:38 AM Response to Reply #28 |
38. Howard Dean: "They (folks running the DLC) represent Joe Lieberman and John Edwards"...Wow! |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:01 AM Response to Reply #38 |
40. The funny thing is, Dean was DLC too. nt |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:09 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. the even funnier thing is.. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #41 |
58. In what ways are Dean, Gore, Edwards, and Kerry "centrists"? |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. you really love espousing "truthiness" as fact, don't you? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Everyone is a "centrist" using that metric |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:09 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. no they're not, and the National Journal survey is flawed |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:29 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. Some more info regarding National Journal's rankings pertaining to Edwards |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:50 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. You posted a link about 2004 ratings in response to 2006's ratings |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. I demonstrated the unreliability of National Journal's ranking system |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #79 |
80. 11th out of 100. You didn't demonstrate anything about the NJ's ranking system |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Apr-19-07 05:02 AM Response to Reply #80 |
89. I just commented on the year you cherry picked. |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 04:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. Huh? He posted info about how the National Journal is unreliable in its rankings |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #81 |
82. Kerry has been a senator since 1985 |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #82 |
83. Why does he have to to prove that these rankings are unreliable? |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:40 PM Response to Reply #40 |
57. Ironic: cite a former DLC'er to "out" a former Senate New Dem coalition member |
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wyldwolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Dean didn't "Out" Edwards. It was well known Edwards was DLC... |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 08:11 AM Response to Original message |
35. I think he left the DLC back in 2002. I don't think he he was *never* associated with them. |
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draft_mario_cuomo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 12:39 PM Response to Reply #35 |
56. You are right. Great post |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:26 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Thank you. (nt) |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:00 AM Response to Original message |
39. Gore, Kerry, Edwards, and Dean were all DLC. Michael Moore isn an NRA member |
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progressoid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
43. And Jim Webb was a Republican, Gore backed NAFTA, |
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huskerlaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:46 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. Well said. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 09:51 AM Response to Reply #39 |
45. In a couple of those cases it hasn't been proven that they still aren't. nt |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 10:20 AM Response to Original message |
49. YOu can tell by what someone is |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:00 PM Response to Reply #49 |
61. Can you? |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. Yeah ya can if you've been paying attention. |
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frazzled (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #66 |
69. Sorry you missed my point |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 03:30 PM Response to Reply #69 |
73. I didn't miss your point..I just |
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seasat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 01:13 PM Response to Original message |
64. One of Edwards top advisors in his 2003 run was Bruce Reed. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Apr-18-07 11:47 PM Response to Reply #64 |
87. Check the FCC filings and let us know how much Reed got paid. |
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