Obama Beats the Big Dog on Experience

[sandnsea]

Obama vs. Bill

1976-78 Ran unopposed, Arkansas Attorney General
1979-1981 Arkansas Governor
1983-1991 Arkansas Governor
1991-1992 Campaigning, Jim Guy Tucker Acting Governor of Arkansas

11 years

1984 - 1988 Community Organizer
1992 - Project Vote!
1993 - 1996 Civil Rights Attorney
1993 - 2004 Lecturer, Constitutional Law
1996 - Elected to Illinois State Senate
2004 - Elected to US Senate

11 years Elected Experience
16 years Civilian Experience


Judgment, Ethics AND Experience

The Real Agent of Change

[Syrinx]

1. nice cherry picking!

Good luck to Obama! :hi:

[sandnsea]

2. Uh, that's their experience

:shrug:

No cherry picking about it.

:hi:

[Bucky]

73. "Ran unopposed" isn't slanted?

I know you can do less hamfisted propaganda than this. Obama is a candidate of charm, wit, and balance. I wish more of his supporters would emulate those qualities.

[sandnsea]

76. Oh, that's a real candidate killer right there

Are you kidding??

I didn't add that they both lost their first Congressional runs, shame on me for that too I guess.

:crazy:

[Bucky]

81. Candidate killer? I love Obama. I just hate bullshit arguments.

Obama is far and away the best candidate of the top three. That doesn't make your attempts at slanting facts any less lame.

[sandnsea]

88. Obama and Bill -- 11 years elected experience

And Obama had many years of local organizing experience in addition, in local communities, that Bill didn't have.

Seriously, please explain the problem with comparing the two??

[wyldwolf]

3. umm...

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[sandnsea]

4. He's got more experience than Bill did when Bill ran n/t

[zalinda]

5. Nice try!

I'd put 2 years as AG against the 4 years of (snicker, snicker)community organizer any time of the week. Project vote?

And being a governor out shines anything else he has done, because with governor you are actually running something (well, except for Texas), Obama was just part of the team, not team leader.

zalinda

[wyldwolf]

7. but Obama was team captain on his basketball team!

[Colobo]

10. The important thing is that he needs to be our next president, wyld.

Let's focus on that fact. By the way, have a good day. :)

[wyldwolf]

16. "our" president? This isn't a student council race. He may be experienced for that.

[Colobo]

President of the United States, wyld. Obama is our best choice. He'll make you proud.

I can't wait to see you rooting for him in the GE.

[wyldwolf]

28. I admire you imagination.

[Colobo]

30. It will happen, wyld. In fact, I'll buy you an Obama T-shirt after he wins the nomination.

[wyldwolf]

31. place a wager, Katz?

[Colobo]

35. What's your idea?

[wyldwolf]

104. I'll bet $50 in your name to the charity of your choice that Obama ...

will NOT win the nomination. Match it?

[Tellurian]

112. Definitely, threadworthy...

The Audacity of putting your money where your mouth IS...Rules!

[Colobo]

26. Dupe.

[Imagevision]

107. Experience? like Rudy or Bush has more experience then Obama - we know what

Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld got us, so know one is going to tell me about Obama experience, all Obama has to do is surround himself with the brightest minds out there and simply lead!

[renie408]

18. 'Fact?' I do not think that means what you think it means. That would be in the nature of

an opinion. In your opinion, Obama needs to be President. Other opinions may vary.

[Colobo]

27. In this case, my opinion is a fact: We need Obama to be our next president.

[Ethelk2044]

11. Governor means you are running something. You can not exclude when it is convenient.

That means Bush was well prepared to be in office.

[zalinda]

17. If you read my post, it said

except Texas. Apparently, governor of Texas is more like a figure head than any work, at least that is what I've heard.

zalinda

[rinsd]

32. It depends on the state. Some have stronger governors in terms of Constitutional power.

Texas cedes most power to its legislature while a state like NJ has a strong governor system.

[sandnsea]

44. Bill had NO experience at the community level

and they both had the same experience at the elected level. Getting things accomplished in the Senate is just as difficult as at the Governor level.

[WCGreen]

49. That's Bullshit he worked as a community orgnaizer in the

1970's....

He also was part of the group that changed how the democrats run their nominating system...

He was an agent of change and so was HRC when they busted butt for the party and McGovern in 1972...

He worked on McGovern's campaign...

[sandnsea]

51. Jobs. What did he organize?

I'm all ears.

[rinsd]

50. You and the truth seem unacquainted.

Bill did plenty of organizing in the anti-war movement and in the party.

[sandnsea]

52. spell it out, it shouldn't be hard n/t

[rinsd]

56. Well he was involved in organizing the English version of the Vietnam Moratorium

He was also involved in the McGovern campaign (campaign coordinator in TX & AR) and voter registration drives for the DNC.

And contrary to your prior assertion that Clinton ran unopposed for AG while he did not have a GOP opponent, there was a primary.

[sandnsea]

57. Dedicated years of work, responsible organizing

Obama did things while he was in college too. I guess I could go add that. I'm talking of being the key person responsible for getting the job done, over a period of years. That's a little more than organizing peace marches.

[rinsd]

59. OK

"I'm talking of being the key person responsible for getting the job done, over a period of years."

I am certainly aware of Obama's voter registration drive in 92 and the his efforts with housing project residents to get their complaints addresses.

As far as I know while Obama was of great assistance in those organizing efforts he did not led them in the traditional sense. Even his campaign makes a point of stating so.

Obama has a good record and quite a few interesting qualifications for the job.

So this begs the question why you feel the need to put down what Bill Clinton did as a means of making Obama look better. Especially when you get the facts wrong in the 1st place.

[sandnsea]

60. Who was put down in this thread?? n/t

[rinsd]

64. You blew off his accomplishments with a pithy insinuation that he wasn't the key guy

And that is after your OP where you omitted them all together and got basic facts wrong like his running unopposed for AG.

[sandnsea]

65. No, I compared Work Experience

I'm sorry you don't see the difference between college affiliations and Work.

Obama was also the head of Harvard's Law Review. I would guess that would compare to anything Bill did in college, but that wasn't my purpose.

[rinsd]

67. So statewide Prez campaign coordinator and leading voter reg drive don't count as work experience?

Funny because the latter is on your list for Obama.

[sandnsea]

68. Where McGovern got 33% of the vote?

Hmm, not the same kind of success that Obama got - but, yeah, it showed he was interested in a political career.

[rinsd]

69. Yes because Texas is the same as Illinois.

:eyes:

[sandnsea]

74. In 1972??

Democrats were in control of Texas at the time, in case you'd forgotten.

[rinsd]

77. You think Lyndon Johnson democrats were the same as McGovern ones?

Humphries took TX in the electoral college in 68 because Wallace split the rw vote.

The party itself was hurt by scandals at the state level in 1972.

[sandnsea]

79. I think 1972 was hopeless, but 33% is sad sad sad

That's all I'm saying. I don't blame the Clintons for it, but it sure isn't a sign of any organizational ability.

[cd3dem]

62. and I was "Hall Monitor" in Junior High School

my advisor was Rep. Bruce Vento... does that count?

[sandnsea]

63. Working in poor communities doesn't matter to you?

This thread is really an embarrassment to anybody who says they care about the working poor and minorities in this country.

[cd3dem]

70. this thread is an embarrassment to Obama supporters who

have real standards for supporting him....

it would be about as embarrassing if an Edwards supporter argued about who has the "best hair" ...

I've worked for the poor and the disadvantaged too... but we are looking to elect a president to make major decisions on a "national level"... discuss that...

[sandnsea]

75. *I* put 11 years of Elected Experience against 11 years

And added Obama's WORK Experience, that Bill didn't have. It was the thread trashers who decided to turn this into something else, not me.

[rinsd]

78. Except Bill did have work experience, you just decided to omit it.

And the fact that you state that AGAIN after it has been pointed out to you numerous times shows how dishonest you really are.

[sandnsea]

80. He organized the failing Texas Presidential campaign

There. Ya happy now?

[Ninja Jordan]

82. He was also a law professor, just like Obama.

What the hell is your point?

[sandnsea]

84. They both had 11 years elected experience, It's The Experience, Stupid

that's all. Isn't that the Clinton's campaign theme? Experience.

:shrug:

Kind of a little nothing of a post really.

Wow. I guess I hit a nerve.

[Ninja Jordan]

85. It isn't a nerve. Your post is just factually inaccurate.

I support Obama actually. But you aren't doing your candidate any help by trying to underplay President Clinton's vast political experience.

[sandnsea]

89. In 1992 - Bill had 11 years elected experience - wtf??

Vast political experience? Listen to yourself.

Obama supporters better grow some balls if they can't even stand up for their candidate's own resume.

[Ninja Jordan]

91. Your error is in believing the two men's 'elected experience' is equal.

Surely you don't mean that 'elected experience' as a state congressman is equal to that of a governor, or an attorney general, do you? Prosecutors, commissioners, and dog catchers are elected too.

[sandnsea]

92. Illinois State Senate vs arkansas??

I lived in Arkansas under Bill Clinton. Yeah, the experience is equal.

Grow some balls and guts up for your candidate. We're running against BILL, whether you realize it yet or not.

On edit:

You know, the reason he did NAFTA so well is because he turned Arkansas into the way station. Jobs went from Michigan to Arkansas to Mexico to China. That's Clinton's experience.

[Ninja Jordan]

94. I did too, and you're entirely wrong.

You aren't endearing yourself to anyone either. I'm not going to bump this ridiculous thread anymore. Slighting President Clinton will get you nowhere around here--nor should it.

[sandnsea]

96. Their experience is the same, 11 years

If you don't think so, you should vote for Hillary so you can get Bill.

[cd3dem]

100. look out for the swift boaters on this argument

if Obama tries to argue his experience is as good or better than Bill's he will be eaten by the swift-boaters and they are hungry for this kind of nonsense...

give it up... this is stupid... you're only hurting your candidate...

[sandnsea]

102. 11 years elected experience

Same as Bill's in 1992. The Illinois State House isn't a Sunday afternoon of catfishing either.

[cd3dem]

105. this kind of nonsense isn't helping Obama

I hope you do not go out and work for Obama... he would be better off without you... the person who called my house for Obama didn't do any better... if this is "change" and "fresh" I will stick with "real" experience...

Bush has lowered the expectations of what a president's qualifications should be... we as democrats need to bring back the dignity of the office and restore the respect of the world....

touting Obama as a state legislator... OMG it is a part time job! you qualify for food stamps on that salary...

he'll be ready in 2016 after Hillary has served her two terms... he can then talk about real experience...

I can accept Obama as a fine man and a fine Politian but comparing Obama to Bill is "SILLY"... give it up!!!

[dugggy]

110. The naked reality is that they are poor because

they are less smart than the not so poor.
Since when have poor people succeeded at anything?
So why should the president be nominated based on
his outlook towards the poor? And don't forget, in
America poor are still a minority.

[Laurab]

116. The poor are "less smart" than the not so poor?

"Since when have poor people succeeded at anything?" Did you really type that?

I say stay in school and study your history, and you might learn that many poor people went on to accomplish great things. I really think you might be lost...

[aquart]

6. That is not the experience we mean.

How many times has he been knifed in the back and kicked in the gut? THAT's the experience we're talking about.

[Ethelk2044]

12. That is not experience. That is just fighting and I for one am sick of scandals and fighting

[zanne]

15. He's the last person who'll be fighting ; and no scandals.

If you've ever heard him speak, you know that he doesn't stab anybody in the back. He has class.

[sandnsea]

48. Six years of rolling over for Bush

that's what the Clinton's "fight" has brought us.

[cobalt1999]

8. Community Organizer? Project Vote?

:rofl:

Come on, you just lost all credibility throwing that in there.

[sandnsea]

58. 3 years of organizing low income people?

You think that's a joke?

[killbotfactory]

72. Why do people dismiss his role as community organizer?

It's a hard, thankless job that requires good leadership skills to be effective. He chose that job, and stuck with it for a good long while just so he could help poor people. It's one of the reasons I'm so comfortable supporting him.

[sandnsea]

86. Thread Thrashers - don't care what they're saying

I guess they didn't realize Bill didn't have any more experience than Obama when he ran. I don't know why people are being so shitty about it.

[Colobo]

9. Wow... I'm for Obama, but this is... I don't know...

[zanne]

14. Read up on his positions and his plans.

He's not at all naive. He's realistic and doesn't expect everyone to agree with all of his positions, because he's not out to please everyone. He knows it can't be done.
I'm a volunteer at his headquarters here in NH and no one there is even allowed to badmouth another candidate. When we call people to ask who they're supporting in the primaries, we don't count votes on "I'm leaning toward Obama" or "I really like Obama".... Unless someone says "I'm committed to Obama and I'm definitely voting for him", we don't count them as supporters. I've never seen so much goodwill and honesty in a political campaign.

Barack Obama is the man.

[sandnsea]

42. If he's not as qualified as Bill was

then he's not qualified to be President. These are his qualifications. If you don't like them, then you need to rethink who you support.

[Imagevision]

108. What experience did henry Ford have? when he needed an answer he simply pushed a button

enter a lawyer or whatever pro he needed to resolve any issue.

[MethuenProgressive]

13. Bill isn't running,

:eyes:

[Laurab]

117. Thank you, I was going to mention that. n/t

[Freddie Stubbs]

19. Why did you mention Obama's work as a law school lecturer but not Clinton's as law school professor?

:shrug:

[renie408]

20. I have seen the Big Dog, sir, and Obama is no Big Dog.

Seriously, it is suicide to try and compare Obama to the Big Dog. Why do you think they call him 'the Big Dog'? I understand the point you are trying to make, but Clinton was/is a consummate statesman. What he has can't be measured for comparison in the manner you are attempting.

[illinoisprogressive]

22. Thank god Obama is no big dog. Maybe because Obama is ethical and honest.

A true intellectual and scholar plus, a great and elegant writer that impressed even the English literary community and obama has a vision and has principles.

[sandnsea]

43. for absolute certain,

and as qualified as he was when they both ran for office too.

[dugggy]

111. Have you heard about Obama's shady real-estate deal in Chicago?

The Clinton juggernaut will bring it out at the right time.

[illinoisprogressive]

21. What I don't get is why Obama's years as a state senator and even

his years as a constitutional law lecturer are dismissed as not real experience but, Hillary being first lady is counted as experience. Afterall, that would mean the repuke could run Laura or Nancy Reagan for pres under great experience. same with rosalyn carter. And we all know they would be laughed at but, Hillary's time is taken seriously by the media and touted as great experience.
It makes absolutely no sense.

[sandnsea]

45. Because Obama's supporters

won't make it a point, that's why.

[Freddie Stubbs]

55. Hillary would not be considered seriously if she had not also served in the Senate

[sandnsea]

61. Obama and Bill, 11 years a piece; more than Hillary n/t

[BigDDem]

23. That's funny!!!! Thanks for the laugh!

You forgot to mention that Obama helped sell candy for his
girls soccer team, that counts, right?

[Netbeavis]

24. You are comparing 8 years of Community Organizer with 13 of elected higher office?

dude, put down the pipe and come on a bit before you post again.


It is posts like these the give Obama followers the bad reputation as being nothing more than the same this as the Pioneers for Bush.


To say you are really reaching here is an understatement.

[sandnsea]

46. 11 yrs elected office to 11 yrs elected office

I really thought people could add. I guess I was mistaken.

[SaveElmer]

25. My local Clerk of Court has been in office longer than any of them...

Guess we should run him for President!!!

:rofl:

[wyldwolf]

29. but was he the captain of his basketball team?

[Colobo]

37. He'll be our next president, and he will make Bill Clinton proud.

[Netbeavis]

41. President of the re-elect Hillary in '12 committee maybe

[Colobo]

54. Hillary will be in the speaker's circuit will Obama runs for reelection in '12.

And you will be campaigning for him.

[Netbeavis]

66. Slow down and proof read before you post. Try again.

[cd3dem]

40. yes, but did he sponsor anything?

did he sponsor someone for an AIDS walk or Breast Cancer walk? if so lets run him!!! sounds better than Bush!!!

[Skip Intro]

33. scanning the skies for flying pigs...

[oasis]

34. In addition, Obama was honorary judge of the homemade pie contest at the 1992 Illinois State Fair.

:applause::bounce::applause:

[Cameron27]

36. No, sorry you haven't made your case.

I like Obama, but I doubt he'd make the comparison this way.

[sandnsea]

47. well, maybe that's why he's losing n/t

[Cameron27]

53. lol, maybe

(good comeback)

[Ninja Jordan]

87. Right, because the OP's argument has made so many of us like Obama even more!

:eyes:

[BenDavid]

38. Oh my my....As former president bush

said when invited back to the White House after President Clinton had spoke, " I can see now why I lost the election". Bush was not speaking about how handsome Clinton was, or how well dressed he looked, NO! It was Clinton's vast knowledge of any subject matter presented to him. Obama does not have this attribute and it comes across in his answers during debates, and one on one discussions. This time America (I hope ) will not fall like they did in 2000 by saying bush does not have to be the smartest man in the room. Well, for 7 years now we see what not being knowledgeable got us. There are many candidates running on the dem side that has this knowledge and I am afraid Obama does not. Oh sure he can give one hell of a speech and hit the mark just fine when he needs to draw out an emotional response from a crowd, but Americans are this time looking for experience, knowledge and that will be what propels the next person into the Oval Office...Myself, I say HRC....And it will not be someone that you would like to have a beer with or a slice of pizza....
We have serious problems to solve, and we need serious people to solve them. And whatever your particular problem is, I promise you, Barack Obama is not the least bit interested in solving it. He is interested in two things and two things only: making you afraid of it and telling you who's to blame for it.(bill and hillary clinton: "divisive politics" that had demoralized the country even before President Bush took office.) You gather a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and you talk to them about family and American values and character and try to bring down your opponent by charging her with being devisive, and saying this campaign for her is just a game:" that for others, politics seemed to be a game."9-3-07.
People are seeing through Obama and know he is all hat and no cattle.....We do not need a show horse we need a Thoroughbred.One which can sprint to the finish line in the democratic primaries and win and someone which can go the distance and win the presidency. That one person is HRC.


I do thank you
Ben David

[cd3dem]

39. 18 years of running a family....

I WIN!!!!!!!

[Ninja Jordan]

71. You sure you wanna pick a fight with Bill?

I don't really see the point here, either.

Clinton's experience as Atty Gen and Governor of Arkansas for upwards of 15 years dwarfs any experience Obama had as a state rep or 'community organizer.' With that said, I don't CARE one way or the other. Obama has enough experience to run.

[sandnsea]

90. No dear, 11 years, Eleven

Same as Obama. Illinois State House vs Governor of Arkansas?? Yeah, I compare the two completely.

We won't win if we don't take on Bill.

[Ninja Jordan]

93. "Illinois State House vs Governor of Arkansas?? Yeah, I compare the two completely."

You're the only one, then.

"We won't win if we don't take on Bill."

Well, you're losing me with your ridiculous argument. I am a fan of President Clinton and Sen. Obama, but your odd post is turning me off.

[sandnsea]

95. See #92, people should

You go ahead and heap praises on Bill and watch them keep plowing right on into the candidacy. That's all that's going to happen if you don't take him on somehow, and soon.

If we can't beat Bill, we can't beat the Republicans anyway.

[Ninja Jordan]

97. I want to beat republicans, not former Democratic Presidents.

Good luck with that.

[sandnsea]

98. You can't win the primary without beating #1

There isn't any other way to get there.

It's sad you chose to let Hillary's supporters intimidate you into putting down your own candidate.

That's what Republicans have been doing to Democrats for 20 years, it's how Rush operates.

Do you not see how you were played?

Is that the kind of political atmosphere you want for the next 8 years?

[Ninja Jordan]

99. Huh? Obama has plenty of experience--at least as much as Hillary.

You're talking about President Clinton, though. He was a 3 or 4 term governor and former attorney general. He had a load of executive experience. It is an irrelevant comparison. Compare Obama to Hillary, not President Clinton.

[rinsd]

101. No, how Rush operates is accusing others of his own behavior and being dishonest

Ninja Jordan didn't put down Obama at all.

Are you so fundamentally dishonest that you would lie about a natural ally?

[Lucinda]

83. Are you on crack?

Just wonderin... :)

[Major Hogwash]

103. Kick AND Recommend

Woo-hoo!

I guess having a real Black President of the United States scares the hell out of some people.

[calteacherguy]

106. K&R, and it wasn't Clinton's "experience" that won him the nomination....

or helped him be an effective President as much as it was his charima and his strong people skills.

Experience in public office had very little to do with it.

[Imagevision]

109. Think about what bush's "experience" did for us, Obama could run circles around the "experienced"

[alittlelark]

113. I Understand your passion.....

But "get real".


Clinton was waaaay ahead of Obama at this point.

[durrrty libby]

114. Desperation brings out the silly nonsense. Very sad

[Netbeavis]

115. Arkansas: Red State - Clinton a Dem hold governorship for 10 year

That says it all folks.

Obama came from a Blue State and hasn't had those type of challenges posed to him as of yet.

[Dr Fate]

118. So now we are saying that Red-Staters of THIS century love all things Clinton? LOL!

n/t

[Netbeavis]

119. I'm saying that Bill could get elected & re-elected where few fear to tread.