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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:21 AM Original message |
Does anyone else think that Clark's endorsement doesn't really help Clinton much? |
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hisownpetard (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:28 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes. |
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TwilightGardener (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
2. I'm not sure it matters that much--it would be a surprise if he DIDN'T |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #2 |
108. i agree |
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Kagemusha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:29 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think it won't matter much in the end. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:34 AM Response to Original message |
4. One thing it could do is educate people on the IWR. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Let's see if this means the end of the "I can't vote for anyone who voted for IWR" mantra |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Many Clark supporters will not support Hillary Clinton just because |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:34 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Very well stated. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
19. Speaking about cute populists, I liked your post about going to the Obama event in SF |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:02 AM Response to Reply #19 |
32. In reference to my Obama post, you actually left out the prime factors |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:04 AM Response to Reply #32 |
67. Oh, no. I read it. And I found this part persuasive: |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:06 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. Well stated. Kucinich gets my vote in the primaries. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:27 AM Response to Reply #21 |
25. Then get off DU. |
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Pithy Cherub (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 10:06 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. The self-righteous should go first. |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
43. Do you know how nasty that was, or do you just enjoy being unpleasant? |
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Capn Sunshine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 12:32 PM Response to Reply #25 |
115. Last I checked, Kucinich had a "D" after his name |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:42 AM Response to Reply #21 |
64. Are you really a Democrat? |
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BigDDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:29 AM Response to Reply #21 |
69. The republican party |
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jcrew2001 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
109. You could always write in another Dem - even Bill |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:04 AM Response to Reply #5 |
20. It won't for me. I don't care who endorses her, |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:43 AM Response to Reply #20 |
38. THAT'll show her! |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #38 |
44. See, I already KNOW she doesn't care about me, or anything but getting elected... |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:15 AM Response to Reply #4 |
15. Not true! Clark spoke to Congress arguing against the IWR in its form |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:25 AM Response to Reply #15 |
24. False, False, and more false. That's just plain factually wrong. |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:05 AM Response to Reply #24 |
33. No, you are incorrect........ |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:23 AM Response to Reply #33 |
36. You read it, it's someone's mistaken opinion, not fact. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #36 |
46. Read the transcripts of his actual words, in FULL, then. |
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jobycom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:18 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. Exactly. AND he argued FOR the IWR. Do you finally get it? |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. So if he was on CNN stating "No Blank Check"..... |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:13 PM Response to Reply #51 |
53. You are right....Clark opposed the IWR |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:23 AM Original message |
Some other things he says in that transcript: |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:40 AM Response to Original message |
70. "Any IWR" -- oh good grief... |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
76. Are you saying... |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 08:23 AM Response to Reply #51 |
68. Some other things he says in that transcript: |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 03:59 PM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Well, I don't know about you, BUT...... |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:01 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. Hey 1932, I have I think some useful advice |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:58 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. Where have I called Clark a liar? |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:06 PM Response to Reply #85 |
86. Yeah, take Tom's advice |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:36 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. I could care less about persuading anyone to vote for anyone. I'm interested in understanding |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 01:26 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. They say the third time is the charm |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 07:39 AM Response to Reply #96 |
98. What have I gotten wrong? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 10:43 AM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I think it's a fundemental failure to grasp what makes Clark tick |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Throw the dog a bone! So, you don't think I got any facts wrong. You just think I can't |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 02:38 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. You don't give me the correct option |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 05:34 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. What do you think about post 46? |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:34 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. I'm a little confused about your question |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:05 PM Response to Reply #101 |
105. " You are selectively interpretting and thereby distorting the meaning..." |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 09:25 PM Response to Reply #105 |
106. Sort of |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:41 PM Response to Reply #106 |
107. I read your argument this way: a flat out statement of opinion is beyond criticism (and rebuttal). |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 11:04 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. I would never say that a flat out statement of opinion is beyond criticism |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:11 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. You inserted your own little "paraphrase" under the quote. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:34 PM Response to Reply #87 |
88. My paraphrase is exactly that. Nothing I say in that paragraph isn't said by Clark in the quote |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
90. If your paraphrase is exactly what he said in the quote, just post THE QUOTE. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:45 PM Response to Reply #90 |
91. Uhm. Hello. I DID post the quote. Which of my two sentences do you think isn't supported by it? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #91 |
92. Both of them. But my question is: Why post anything beyond his quote? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. Why does it matter if the paraphrase is 100% accurate? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:56 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Why paraphrase at all? If you want to present Clark's words, present Clark's words. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 10:59 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. Read my edited post to which you are responding. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:14 PM Response to Reply #4 |
58. Sure, because that approach worked SO WELL for John Kerry. |
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illinoisprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:42 AM Response to Original message |
6. What is all the fuss about anyway. endorsements are just famous people making public |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #6 |
49. I have to be honest: I find this post rather disingenuous since you post every Obama endorsement |
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wildhorses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
7. interesting -- yep, its turning into a real horse race |
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az chela (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
8. Well that takes away clark's vote,I hate Hillary and her |
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spag68 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Excuse me |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:14 AM Response to Reply #8 |
22. You're not going to vote for Clark because you hate Hillary?? |
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Apollo11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 05:46 AM Response to Reply #8 |
65. Save your hate for the GOP |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:22 AM Response to Original message |
11. If it's not helping....it sure is getting attention...... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:26 AM Response to Original message |
12. Sure it helps her... |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. I was discussing the Veep thing with my hubby...... |
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Eurobabe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:20 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. Frenchie, I think she's gonna do it |
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earthlover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:34 AM Response to Reply #13 |
16. I thought Clark would have helped Kerry win in 04 |
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Totally Committed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #13 |
47. Frenchie... I think it's a done deal. |
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pampango (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 08:02 AM Response to Original message |
17. It doesn't help her if I really, really, really don't want it to. |
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Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:19 AM Response to Original message |
23. Clark's endorsement reveals the growing military distrust of republicans. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
26. I think it does help--with Iraq at the forefront, a nod from Clark is gold. |
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Catchawave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:32 AM Response to Original message |
27. Clark's very inspiring speech at Yearly Kos sounded like that from a |
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sampsonblk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 09:51 AM Response to Original message |
28. Of course it helps - Clark has a huge following and that matters |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 10:04 AM Response to Original message |
29. Just the endorsement no, |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
31. Sure it helps her with the nomination, but it helps her win the Presidency more. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
34. Only if you're supporting another candidate |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:48 PM Response to Reply #34 |
74. spot on analysis there n/t |
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Tejanocrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:13 AM Response to Original message |
35. It was just a matter of time (likewise, Richardson's Hillary endorsement will not be a surprise). |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:34 AM Response to Original message |
37. I don't think the endorsement will do much.. |
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William769 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:49 AM Response to Original message |
39. "Does anyone else think that Clark's endorsement doesn't really help Clinton much? " |
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the other one (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
40. Clark is not a Dem favorite |
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OHdem10 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:01 PM Response to Original message |
41. Just asking-- Is this post done by an Obama Supporter???? |
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PurityOfEssence (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:41 AM Response to Reply #41 |
62. No, actually; I'm a pretty partisan Edwards supporter and have been for quite some time |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
42. In the end it probably hurts Clark more than it helps Clinton |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #42 |
52. You are mixing what some Clark supporters believe with what Clark believes..... |
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Milo_Bloom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:43 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Like I said in the post, some think one way, some the other. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:17 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. It also reaffirms those who felt that Clark |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:20 PM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Only in their own minds, perhaps. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:25 AM Response to Reply #60 |
72. Secret Plan? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
45. I sure think it does help, but I'm not sure how much it does. nt |
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AZBlue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
50. It boosted her in my opinion. |
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Sanctified (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:46 PM Response to Original message |
55. I would rather have Clark's endorsement over Oprah's. n/t |
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Ethelk2044 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 06:47 PM Response to Original message |
56. I does not help. Also, people have sent emails in requesting to be removed |
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Texas_Kat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
83. Actually, the best thing you get with WKC's endorsement is ... |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 07:15 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Oh god yes, you're right. |
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Radical Activist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:12 PM Response to Original message |
57. Its pretty meaningless. |
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renie408 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-16-07 07:33 PM Response to Original message |
61. I think that depends on whether I support Hillary or not. If I do, then yes, it helps. If I don't... |
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Lucinda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 02:16 AM Response to Original message |
63. Yes...it definitely is interesting! |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 06:48 AM Response to Original message |
66. I'm disappointed. I thought he was serious about stopping an attack on Iran |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 11:38 AM Response to Reply #66 |
73. The other two top candidats hve rattled some sabers just as loudly |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:42 PM Response to Reply #73 |
80. I refuse to accept a coronation |
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CarolNYC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 01:49 PM Response to Reply #66 |
75. Dont' worry.... |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:43 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. I'm hopling he is prepared to publicly confront her if she goes along with the Bush plans |
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surfermaw (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 09:53 AM Response to Original message |
71. Some think, Clinton was behind Clark running last time |
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FrenchieCat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:01 PM Response to Reply #71 |
78. I'm just curious as to why you think Gore would endorse Edwards |
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madfloridian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Sep-20-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #78 |
104. Rewriting history, Frenchie. |
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JNelson6563 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 05:25 AM Response to Reply #104 |
111. Good points MF. |
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Tom Rinaldo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #104 |
114. You make good points about Gore's endorsement, but I take issue |
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Carrieyazel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Sep-17-07 04:28 PM Response to Original message |
79. The endoresment is essentially meaningless. |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Sep-18-07 02:05 AM Response to Original message |
97. I don't think any endorsements mean much |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 11:33 AM Response to Original message |
112. I agree about Obama's getting a bump. |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Sep-21-07 11:54 AM Response to Original message |
113. Endoresements rarely mean much, IMO. |
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