So, will Hillary supporters still follow her after Bush takes us to war with Iran?

[Dawgs]

After her vote yesterday, and her defense of it last night, will her supporters stick by her if Bush takes us to war with Iran?

Will her answer to why Iran is such a threat be put on YouTube and viewed by millions of people?
Does this answer not sound like the new Lieberman, or the Hillary of 2003?

Hillary Clinton, 2007 Democratic Debate at Dartmoth

"My understanding of the Revolutionary Guard in Iran is that it is
promoting terrorism. It is manufacturing weapons that are used
against our troops in Iraq. It is certainly the main agent of support
for Hezbollah, Hamas and others.

And in what we voted for today, we will have an opportunity to
designate it as a terrorist organization which gives us the options to
be able to impose sanctions on the primary leaders to try to begin to
put some teeth into all this talk about dealing with Iran.

We wouldn't be where we are today if the Bush administration
hadn't outsourced our diplomacy with respect to Iran and ignored Iran
and called it part of the axis of evil. Now we've got to make up for
lost time and lost ground..."

Do we really want another 4/8 years of fear and war?

[bullimiami]

1. i think this could bite her in the ass if anything happens before the primaries

[ima_sinnic]

5. if the people have any intelligence at all, it will. but part of her strategy

appears to be to count on the ignorance and sheeplike quality of the electorate to robotically vote for her, no matter what. she's blatantly bought and paid for, and really couldn't care less about you, me, and the rest of the working-stiff, average Americans, yet still has lemming-like followers who will gladly go over the cliff with her. go figure.

[still_one]

9. Let's see, the media has selected her months ago, and huge corporate money

has been pouring into her campaign.

She will win the nomination, but when she runs against guliani, I think she will have a major problem distinguishing herself from guliani on Iraq, the patriot act, and trade. I also believe that her campaign is taking the liberal/left vote for granted, and unless her campaign address the Iraq war more effectively, she will split that vote, with some of that vote effectively sitting out of the election

[zulchzulu]

2. Well it would be a change...

From a Bush to a Clinton to a Bush to a Clinton... see? Change.

[sellitman]

3. If she wins the Primary

I don't know how I will be able to pull the lever for her. I will but she is making that choice mighty hard to come to grips with.

[TechBear_Seattle]

6. If she gets the nomination, we will have a choice between...

Republicker 1 and Republicker 2 come November.

[sellitman]

17. Not far off but...

not accurate either. She does have some redeeming features. She has always championed universal health care. She is better than any Repug.......by a hair.

[EnricoFermi]

24. Hardly

Any Republican not advocating war with Iran has her beat.

No reason to support someone just for having a D on their chest.

[bvar22]

25. She has NEVER championed REAL Universal HealthCare.

Her healthCare Plans have been vehicles to shovel $MILLIONS$ of taxpayer dollars into the pockets of some of the richest CEOs the World has ever seen (Insurance and HMO). Hillary and the DLC just call it Universal healthCare.

HillaryCare does NOT even resemble what the rest of the Civilized World knows as Universal HealthCare.

[TechBear_Seattle]

31. Untrue. She has always championed universal coverage. Vast difference!

Her current "universal coverage" idea was written by the insurance industry and will greatly harm people who can not afford her mandatory coverage. And as SICKO! made quite clear, having health care insurance does not in any way mean getting health care.

[Freddie Stubbs]

4. Democratic voters in NY renominated her in a landslide against an antiwar candidate just last year

Jonathan B. Tasini: 124,999 17%

Hillary Rodham Clinton: 640,955 83%

http://www.elections.state.ny.us/NYSBOE/elections/2006/Primary/2006PrimaryUSSenDem.pdf

[Kagemusha]

8. Uh incidentally, didn't Hillary spend a small fortune in that race?

I'm just mentioning, some people haven't forgotten and WILL disregard all efforts to make Hillary's inflated, lopsided victory numbers in that race seem like a vast outpouring of spontaneous, unprovoked love of her. She padded all that with a lot, a LOT, of money to get people to come out to the polls and make her seem like the inevitable victor for the nomination race. Most candidates who outspend their opponents by ungodly amounts get wide margins of victory in general.

[dionysus]

30. you gotta be honest though freddie...

tasini was a joke, and lazio and whoever they ran against her after the "where's page 5? *crickets*" were even bigger jokes. She has yet to run a race against a real competitor.
.

[Kagemusha]

7. Regardless, Bush launching war with Iran screws all of us.

There is not going to be any magical salvation with ANY candidate if that's what Bush is determined to do, to get us involved like that and force us to fight when Iran fights back.

[peacetalksforall]

11. She will go down if Iran goes off. Success in Iran for greed will

help her as much as a Republican. Few on DU see Iran as a victory in any form for the U.S. She connected her bungee cord to PNAC.

[Bitwit1234]

10. You know something...all you people who are so so up on politics

and think you know anything. What the voted on yesterday was a NON BINDING RESOLUTION.....And the senators who voted said that it would have been a different story if it had been a bill....read, understand what you read and know what you are reading before you start to spew..Of course any chance to bash Hillary you would make it up....

[Kagemusha]

12. By the same token, Bush doesn't require such authorization.

He can take us to war on a whim and has 90 days of free bombing until even the untested weak War Powers Act comes into force.

[truebrit71]

13. And the great unwashed masses don't give a hoot about the difference...

...all they know is that she voted FOR the item...She voted FOR something that labelled Iranians as terrorists...and in their minds brought closer the likelihood of an additional war...

Plus, she already voted FOR the current war, so why would we expect anything different from her?

[peacetalksforall]

14. You're right Bitwit1234, however, the second part of the story is that

those votes are going to be twisted. You're explanation is only a technicality that the WH/PNAC/RNC can twist and bend any which way they want because they have done it before. We can't even be sure that there isn't another part buried somewhere that says in teh event that ......, then the non-binding becomes binding. Give them a cm in law and they will take miles in propaganda. Even the Dems voted for invading Iran - a wealth of propaganda.

Technicalities do not mean anyhthing with these people when you count what they can squeeze out of it.

Anyway, for me, it tells me that these Democrats DID NOT STAND UP AT EVERY OPPORTUNITY AGAINST KILLING DESTRUCTION DECEIT DEBT and THE UNFORGIVEABLE MAIMING OF OUR CHILDREN AND THE DESTRUCTION OF AN INNOCENT COUNTRY - IT WAS THEIR LEADERS WHO WERE THE ENEMY - NOT THE PEOPLE. THAT VOTE WAS AGAINST IRAQIS, IRANIANS, AND ALL PEOPLE OF ANOTHER PART OF THE WORLD AND THEIR RESOURCES OF THE EARTH BELOW THEIR FEET.

You have legal and they had a voice through that vote. They spoke. I cannot forgive them. I want nothing to do with them. They don't represent me.

I want peace. How can they rationalize away from peace?

There are no saints or martyrs for peace in that crowd. They sent their message.

[frylock]

15. and iwr authorized bush to seek permission from the security counsel..

before invading iraq, and that didn't happen. people who are so so up on politics remember this. do you?

[Nutmegger]

19. Doesn't matter, that bill was testing the waters so to speak.

To gauge the support for another baseless and illegal war. Why not vote no and don't buy into the saber rattling against Iran?

[bvar22]

27. Fool you once?

I am cursed with a memory.
I remember the IWR and the pathetic excuses some used to rationalize their votes FOR that.

Same shit.
Different day.

[sandnsea]

16. People don't really have ethics

I've learned that repeatedly in the last 4 years, on a variety of levels including political; I just keep forgetting. Bush could really take a dump and people would say it was chocolate pudding - same with the Clintons. One of those things that should just be accepted to save yourself an enormous amount of confusion and agony.

[ileus]

18. Hillary, No Matter What.

I've waited since 00 for her to be my President.

[superkia]

20. YES!

[killbotfactory]

21. Does Hillary or anyone else realize

that labeling the Revolutionary Guard terrorists, opens the way for other countries to label our military and CIA as terrorists as well?? The first Bush pardoned one of the worst terrorists in Latin American history, Orlando Bosch, and the current Bush has so far refused to go after his accomplice, Posada.

[illinoisprogressive]

22. She will claim Bush lied to her again or that she thought she was voting for something else.

[BrightKnight]

23. I heard that she was going to invade Poland too!

She won't admit it but you know that it's true.

She likes having people killed, especially women and children. Be afraid, demoralized and disinterested. Let the repugs win. It doesn't really matter because they are all the same anyway. Any chimp could do the job.

Is this Democratic Underground or Political Fundamentalist Underground.

[Kelly Rupert]

26. Will I continue to read your posts after you stop beating your wife? n/t

[2rth2pwr]

28. Everything she said there is absolutely true. Ignoring it

doesn't make it go away. Diplomacy among friendly Nations is much easier, when dealing with the Iranian leaders there has to be sticks along with carrots. Common sense.

[Douglas Carpenter]

29. but to be fair, how many other candidates would back Bush if he attacks Iran?

I suspect Senator Clinton would support such an attack if it happens. But don't be surprised to find that most other Democratic Party candidates as well as most of the Democratic Party leadership do the same.

And I'm really not meaning to bash the Democratic Party. Because when all is said and done -- the Republicans are not just little bit worse -- they are a lot worse. And I will support the Democratic nominee.

But if (God forbid) an attack on Iran does occur, prepare to be very disappointed once again in a lot of leading Democrats.

Eric Alterman had some interesting thoughts regarding efforts to enlist Democratic Party support for an attack on Iran:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nch43wy8Zb8


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"I think of war with Iran as the ending of America's present role in the world. Iraq may have been a preview of that, but it's still redeemable if we get out fast. In a war with Iran, we'll get dragged down for 20 or 30 years. The world will condemn us. We will lose our position in the world."

Zbigniew Brzezinski, Vanity Fair, 2006.


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[lojasmo]

32. Of course. It wasn't her fault. She was duped. bad information, etc. etc. EOM