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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:04 PM Original message |
Please don't tell me that race and gender "shouldn't matter." The fact is, they do. |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:13 PM Response to Original message |
1. K&R |
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nickgutierrez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:19 PM Response to Original message |
2. Unfortunately, I have to agree. |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-02-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. I agree....however |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
36. Where aren't we, yet? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:59 PM Response to Reply #36 |
37. It'll get us indisputable examples of several things that too many people still doubt. |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #37 |
61. I hadn't looked at it that way, thanks! (nt) |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 06:50 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Not a token..... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:39 AM Response to Reply #36 |
64. If Obama or Clinton is elected, we will have moved beyond |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
39. I really like Richardson. He was my top guy for a while... |
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Grandrose (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 06:38 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. I am sorry...no disrespect to Richardson was intended. |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 07:29 AM Response to Original message |
4. I love the idea of a female president, a black president, |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. The opponent will be Ghouli, Freddie, Mitt, or McCain. |
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hijinx87 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #12 |
24. mccain and romney have no chance |
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sufrommich (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 07:43 AM Response to Original message |
5. I so agree and this is what gets me about |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #5 |
13. I think the people that raise this issue tend to be ones favoring other candidates. |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 07:50 AM Response to Original message |
6. No doubt about it. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 09:37 AM Response to Original message |
7. Funniest thing I've seen on DU in many months is the sudden shift in opinion that race and gender |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 09:43 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. Sudden shift? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 12:27 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. I think that's what Mondo Joe was saying... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 03:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. Exactly, beaconess. Except that I think this is also what mondo joe was saying. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:23 PM Response to Reply #10 |
15. I agree with you and beaconess 100%. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. You're right. Much of DU is parroting the arguments of Tucker and Tweety. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. Exactly! |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
58. You all are dead on! |
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Andromeda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #20 |
63. Craig Crawford has been right on |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
11. ONLY if they're the best candidate. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. What's wrong with it being one of the factors? |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:38 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Yes, but you don't achieve that goal by electing someone not fully qualified |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. But if others believe they are qualified, what then? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:55 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. All of our candidates are fully qualified. Obama's experience in the Senate, |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. The Republcians would just love to see the Democrats embrace that idea |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:06 PM Response to Reply #25 |
28. "Racist and sexist ideology?" |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #28 |
30. I certainly hope you're not suggesting that we apply affirmative action |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:29 PM Response to Reply #30 |
31. Considering gender and race in selecting our presidents has been done a long time. |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 06:27 PM Response to Reply #31 |
40. Yes, it has been done for a long time. Do you think that's good? |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:03 PM Response to Reply #40 |
44. No, it hasn't been. |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
46. "No, it hasn't been."??? You're the one who says it has been!!! I'm agreeing with you! |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. I was answering, "Do you think that's good?" "No, it hasn't been good." |
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ginchinchili (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:25 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. As I said, you support racism and sexism when it works for you. |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #50 |
52. Oh that's right -- "reverse racism" and "reverse sexism" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:46 PM Response to Reply #50 |
54. You don't seem to have any problem with an endless procession |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:23 PM Response to Reply #40 |
49. As long as we only have white and male Presidents it will continue. |
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iverglas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #28 |
42. I certainly support affirmative action |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:04 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. I don't disagree with anything you've said. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. Both parties have always required a race and gender litmus test: white and male. |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:16 PM Response to Reply #47 |
60. To some people, elimination of the litmus test = discrimination |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:49 AM Response to Reply #25 |
65. what a crock |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #18 |
59. Of course - we've ALWAYS elected the most qualified white people to be president |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 10:37 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Those 43 white males in a row? |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 09:11 AM Response to Reply #62 |
70. Yes - they were all the clearly the most qualified people for the jobs |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
16. Height matters. Being overweight matters. A lot of those things matter. nt |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
27. That's far from the point, |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. No, it's not. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 09:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
55. The OP is not about focus groups. |
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BootinUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
17. I will tell you! |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #17 |
23. LOL. You got me! n/t |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
26. If either Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama is elected, I shall be celebrating them for what they are |
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Sparkly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:07 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. Are you threatening to sing?!? |
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Stinky The Clown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. . |
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baldguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:34 PM Response to Original message |
32. They SHOULD matter. |
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The River (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:38 PM Response to Original message |
33. The GOP WIll Make Race / Gender |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:27 PM Response to Reply #33 |
51. So that will always be the argument for maintaining the safe status quo -- |
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The River (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:45 PM Response to Reply #51 |
71. Did I Not Say |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
34. Those who say "Don't tell me..." give themselves away. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 08:44 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Funny, it's never stopped anyone before. n/t |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
56. Indeed they do matter |
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calteacherguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-03-07 09:13 PM Response to Original message |
57. You make a point that cannot be denied. nt |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:50 AM Response to Original message |
66. Why not elect the MOST QUALIFIED regardless of gender or race |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. "most qualified" is so subjective as to be pretty much meaningless |
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dugggy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 01:59 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. What? You don't think qualifications matter? Or.. |
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fishwax (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-04-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. It's not that I think qualifications don't matter, it's just that |
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