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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:54 AM Original message |
Who played the first gender card? Not Senator Clinton. |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:57 AM Response to Original message |
1. As a woman I find the notion that it's okay for Hillary's campaign to whine the boys |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Exactly. |
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DU9598 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:00 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Didn't Elizabeth Edwards first play the gender card? |
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saracat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Elizabeth was responsing to the use of the gender card .She did not initiate it. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:04 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. What was she responding to? Wasn't that a while ago? |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:12 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. It doesn't make a difference to me |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:15 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. No, you don't have to. You can just roll over and let people walk all over you. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:26 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. It takes a huge lack of imagination to think |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
39. So you think pointing out that Russert orchestrated a pile-on |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #39 |
45. Your response makes no sense |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. I'm sorry, I must have misunderstood your post. n/t |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. No prob |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. I found it offensive that the commentators led the tag team against HRC, |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Well, she's the Front-runner. How about she play the "Leadeship Card" or "Direct Answer Card" |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. When have you EVER seen a debate where the front-runner was |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. The Hillary Haters won't and can't admit the attacks were unprecedented |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:35 PM Response to Reply #9 |
42. Other candidates are begging to be asked questions. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:43 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. I know. I think people should be more disturbed that so much focus |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:06 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. As a factual memo...Hillary NEVER played the gender card... |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:13 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. That's correct. She's always denied she was attacked because of her gender. |
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Tellurian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:24 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. So, in conclusion..all the fulminating and foaming about |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
12. Her revised take on the whole thing is much better. |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
8. I never thouoght of the guys that way, but you're right, they ARE |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. We don't think of the guys that way because it is a constant part of |
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napi21 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Yep! And of coursse when any woman acts tough, they're automatically |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:30 PM Response to Reply #36 |
40. IF HRC is the nominee, I think we'll see lots of women |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:15 PM Response to Reply #40 |
59. And I think that if she is nominated a lot of women will realize that |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
11. A-fuckin'-men. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #11 |
20. When I heard about 13 yr. old HRC writing to NASA, and getting that response, |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #20 |
27. Her presence - |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:19 PM Response to Reply #27 |
38. I met a guy on the plane, recently. Wearing business attire, about 60. |
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desi (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:48 PM Response to Reply #11 |
28. Dan Abrams is a "big wheel" at M$NBC now |
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Cameron27 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #28 |
52. Dan Abrams is a disappointment, |
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beaconess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:11 PM Response to Original message |
13. But men don't play the gender card! |
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themaguffin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
16. Hello Strawman |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
21. Good Girls need to be protected from Bad Boys |
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DURHAM D (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:53 PM Response to Reply #21 |
32. "Debate scrutiny"? Spin, Spin, Spin |
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zulchzulu (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 02:56 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. So Poor Little Hillary got spanked by Big Bad Timmy? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:33 PM Response to Reply #37 |
41. No. She stood up to Russert's assaults, and the pile-on. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
43. She did stand up to the pile-on. And she is a strong woman. |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
22. Men Play The Gender Card All The Time. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #22 |
46. Would it be playing the gender card to say: "Kucinich's a strong man"? |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
23. Well said |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:43 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Goddess of Peace? |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
25. Her "playing the gender card" is NOT her saying |
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maddiejoan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:51 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. It would be |
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RaleighNCDUer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:04 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. No, she's got her shills to do that. |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 01:46 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. Wrong again |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. "Look at all Gore has been through. He's a strong man." |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 05:55 PM Response to Reply #25 |
47. She said the pile-on was because she was the front-runner, NOT because she's a woman. |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
29. With all the shit going wrong with this world this is what the debate is focused on? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #29 |
50. Unfortunately, it matters because it is another club being used to hit |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 08:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. No, its a distraction, a distraction her campaign helped create |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:20 PM Response to Reply #56 |
57. Don't worry, some new distraction will come along. n/t |
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Pawel K (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 09:52 AM Response to Reply #57 |
69. Sure they will. But I was hoping people around here were smart enough not to be distracted. nt |
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femmedem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
30. I notice more and more DU'ers using the word "spine" rather than balls |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #30 |
49. Yes, in most cultures the "Ode to Machismo" is part of the background music. |
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Uncle Joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:07 PM Response to Original message |
51. Don't forget Maureen Dowd |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 06:55 PM Response to Reply #51 |
55. Ugh. Don't make me remember HER. |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 09:27 PM Response to Original message |
58. One of her supporters in a NYT story after the debate said it was another Anita Hill moment. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-07-07 11:28 PM Response to Reply #58 |
60. How do you know HRC had anything to do with either of those comments? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. Oh please. Two different NYT stories headlined by Clinton surrogates were unvetted? |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:18 AM Response to Reply #61 |
62. So that means you think Kucinich vetted MacClaine's book? |
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ClarkUSA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:25 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I think Mark Penn screwed up damage control ops. First the gender card, then the swiftboating card. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:28 AM Response to Original message |
64. Deleted message |
pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. I notice you didn't compare her Senate career to Obama's or Edwards', |
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bfantana (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #65 |
66. Senators are enigmas |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:28 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Hillary is NOT forced to support or denounce Spitzer's plan. |
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bfantana (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:23 PM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Are the 70% of Americans who don't support the licenses too stupid |
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cuke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
73. No, too racist |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:02 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Under our system, the President doesn't control the Governors. |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 07:00 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. They're not necessarily thinking things through. If I'm hit by someone, |
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DeepModem Mom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:29 AM Response to Original message |
67. K&R |
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pnwmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 11:29 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Thank you! n/t |
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avrdream (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Nov-08-07 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
68. Thanks for that. |
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