Hillary's staff DID LEAVE A TIP!

[incapsulated]

UPDATE: The Clinton campaign contacted ABC News to assert that they did, contrary to Esterday's claim to NPR, pay $157 for food at Maid-Rite and left a $100 tip to be split among the staff.

Sensing the story was reaching the tipping point, ABC News' Eloise Harper contacted Brad Crawford, manager of Maid-Rite caught in the political mixer, who said the senator's staff did pay a tip but "it might have not been disbursed properly."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2007/11/clinton-stiffs-.html

Thank you NPR for spreading a bullshit story about a democrat stiffing the little guy.

Thank you DU'ers for helping them.

[DURHAM D]

1. From now on they should just pack a lunch. n/t

[ronnykmarshall]

2. Thank you!

Of course DU is HAPPY to spread this shit.

[ericgtr]

I agree

With those who say there are way more important issues to disagree with Hillary on, this isn't one of them.

[OKNancy]

3. funny how that works.. the correction never

receives the play the original wrong story does.
NPR should have done a better job of checking and some DUers need to be more skeptical
or not as "knee-jerk."

[grasswire]

4. they tried this same crap years ago

I remember the freepers being all over a supposed stiffing by Hillary years and years ago. It was bogus then, too.

[rinsd]

5. Its this years "John Kerry cuts in line"...dutifully spread around by Obama supporters.

[cali]

9. stupid people do stupid things

and irrational hate makes people stupid.

[tammywammy]

6. Good to know

I really couldn't imagine Hillary (and her staff) of all people not leaving a tip. She'd know it would hit the blogs instantaneously and it would be a stupid mistake to make as well.

[ShortnFiery]

120. Yes, but if somehow, they forgot - I could see them trashing every one else

in order to counter THEIR mistake. :shrug:

[Fresh_Start]

7. "wasn't disbursed properly"

does that mean someone pocketed the entire tip for himself?

[incapsulated]

10. Yeah, lol, that is what I am thinking

I don't blame the waitress, she didn't see the money.

NPR should have maybe ASKED the Clinton campaign for comment or something.

[FloridaJudy]

100. Quite possibly

They added the tip to the bill and paid with a credit card: that's what I do when I'm unexpectedly short of cash in my wallet, but not my bank. You don't see tip money on the table in that case. I do try to avoid this practice if at all possible though. There's no reason why management and the IRS need to know how much I added (I like to be generous).

Another reason why Europe is more civilized. They pay the servers a living wage. Tips are just that: a reward for exceptional service.

[knitter4democracy]

81. I just thought the exact same thing.

Gee, I wonder where that tip for the staff went . . . hmm . . . let me think . . . :sarcasm:

[MethuenProgressive]

8. All DU members who trashed her over this fake story please apologize here:

Should I hold my breath?

[MADem]

13. I'm afraid you will turn blue if you do. nt

[ronnykmarshall]

38. More like go into a coma.

[Greyskye]

43. ROFLMFAO!

Apologize? How about rationalize, or just plain deny?

I pointed out the paragraphs that the OP highlighted over in this bash thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x2236130

The response I got? "I believe the waitress completely, I don't believe the Clinton campaign or the restaurant." Oy. :eyes:

And I'm not even a Hillary fan. But this is just plain silly.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

66. Print those bumperstickers: "I believe the waitress"

[MethuenProgressive]

124. Thanks to all the trashers who have apologized for spreading and believing lies here!!

Wait - no one apologized? And they're still speading this lie?
Oy, indeed.

[Pawel K]

133. What should we apologize for? NPR put this story out

We had no reason to believe it wasn't accurate. The people defending Hillary didn't dispute the accuracy.

Not leaving a tip would be a terrible thing to do, I'm glad this story has been corrected. NPR needs to apologize, its as simple as that.

[Odin2005]

138. I apologize! n/t.

[Pawel K]

139. For what?

How is this your fault?

[Odin2005]

152. I was one of those people who attacked Hillary about this.

:blush:

[Pawel K]

153. You had every right to attack her

you had no reason to believe that story was false at the time. The people defending her didn't even dispute the accuracy of it. When they figrued it was real they made the excuse that all candidates don't tip, which was simply not true. They were defending something so selfish because it was their candidate, they were on the wrong side of the issue given all the facts, you did nothing wrong.

[LanternWaste]

156. Failure to leave a tip leads us to attack someone?

"You had every right to attack her"


Failure to leave a tip gives us "every right to attack" someone? :eyes:

I'd offer you a shovel, but you're digging that hole pretty good on your own...

[Pawel K]

159. Ever been a server at a restaurant?

If she wasn't tipped that waitress was making $3 an hour to be a part of Hillary's political theater. Tipping somebody is common sense, anyone that doesn't do it clearly doesn't take a mintue out of their day to think of someone else for a change. If HRC did not leave a tip we had every right to attack her. And I'm glad that the story turned out to be untrue because I would have lost the little respect I have left of HRC.

[LanternWaste]

162. I waited tables for three years and my girlfriend currently waits.

Yup. I waited tables for three years and my girlfriend currently waits. So I know the stories, and I know the life, and I know the pay.

But if failure to leave a tip leads you to attack someone (in a most progressive manner, of course I imagine), I figure you'll be on the evening news one evening after some cuts in front of you in line and you're justified to attack them to.

Give us a heads up so we can watch, wouldja...?

[Pawel K]

167. Not leaving a tip is a big deal

especially when the person you didn't leave the tip for you used as a tool to say you relate to the working class. I don't care how rich or how important you are, tipping is common sense, common sense I now know Hillary has. Biden as has been pointed out tips personally, I'm sure the other candidates never forget the tip eighter. Are there much more important issues to focus on? Certainly. But sometimes its these small little details that tell you the real personality of the person you are dealing with.

[MethuenProgressive]

154. Thank you, Odin!

:applause:

[HuckleB]

161. I suppose they should.

At the same time, I doubt that anyone in the Clinton camp would have done anything different if the story were aimed at another candidate. I mean, people are posting ludicrous threads trying to compare other Democratic candidates to Reagan, here at DU.

Can we get some apologies for that kind of nonsense?

[MADem]

11. Good grief--that's pretty low. And rather shoddy journalism from NPR, too.

I guess political campaign staffs will have to do what a lot of high viz diplomatic/political/military staffs do, which is assign someone to go around and tip individually.

NPR has been in the hands of the GOP for the last five or six years, anyway. They rarely show Masterpiece Theater or any of their more intelligent fare, and even their FRONTLINE coverage has that "fear-terra" component to it.

That's one HELLUVA tip, there, too. I'm a generous tipper, but I never tip at the 66+% level!!

And to be excoriated on top of it! Unkind cut...cheap shot.

[Hawkowl]

12. At least

At least it is proof that DU is monitored very closely by the candidates or their staffs. By over blowing a falsehood, a campaign can correct it, or try to, at lightening speed.

This instant feedback is something that makes the race of 2008 vastly different from all others. The internet allows the candidates to get their message out and keep it from being distorted at light speed.

[MADem]

14. How do you get that? The OP cited ABC, not anyone from the staff.

DU is a pebble in the pond. I know some want to think otherwise, but it is. It's an important pebble, but that's about the size of it.

Internet or no internet, a lie can travel round the world before the truth gets outta bed and puts its pants on. Ask Kerry. Ask Gore.

[incapsulated]

17. They contacted ABC News

I doubt this has anything to do with DU, specifically. A lot of people listen to NPR and maybe ABC started recycling the story.

I would hope any campaign has someone watching the blogs and such anyway. They need to.

[hijinx87]

15. this happens EVERY ELECTION CYCLE

the MSM obviously forgets that it is a staffer that pays the
bill and leaves the tip. but every election, some brave MSM
member thinks they spotted something meaningful, and they file
the exact same story.

I had this spotted for a red herring the second I saw it.

[TwilightGardener]

16. Maybe the stupid waitress should have asked around before accusing her

of not leaving a tip. And maybe NPR shouldn't run a story/interview without first fact-checking the woman's claims--who knows WHAT party she supports, or what her agenda is.

[incapsulated]

18. I don't blame her

All she knew was she didn't get a tip. Obviously her boss didn't tell her about the $100. I hope a lot of the waitstaff are asking him where the fuck that money "distributed" to.

[TwilightGardener]

20. No, she decided to make a run for her 15 minutes--

I read her whiny shit, and thought--"publicity-seeker".

[incapsulated]

23. She says different, though

But an allegedly tip-less visit wasn't Esterday's only complaint.

"As for all of this attention on me, it hasn't helped my life, its made my life worse," added the Maid-Rite waitress.

Esterday's picture with the Senator also landed in a local newspaper. Her employer at the nursing home is not a Clinton fan and, since the photo appeared, the waitress claims her shifts have been reduced; she suspects the picture in the paper was the reason.

Despite everything, Esterday did take Clinton's pitch to heart: she's still deciding whether to support Clinton or Obama.

I blame NPR for this, what next, Obama doesn't sing the anthem correctly based on what someone overheard?

[TwilightGardener]

26. Sorry, you just proved my point--

she sounds like she wants to be a "victim" of the Hillary campaign on several levels. I'm really sure meeting Clinton has made her life worse. Come on.

[incapsulated]

29. Meh, it doesn't really matter what her motivations are

It's NPR's job to sort out the truth from the bullshit before they run with a story.

[TwilightGardener]

31. Yep.

[durrrty libby]

25. Yep, She looks even dumber now

[ShortnFiery]

116. Yes, why do our elite politicians tolerate "those little people" who are so damn selfish ...

as if waitressing was her only livelihood. :crazy: HRC should stick with "her kind of people" ... the upper middle class who have at least $300,000 to spend in the stock market and contribute to her campaign. :eyes:

[Apollo11]

37. How is the waitress a publicity seeker?

From what I read on the NPR website, the reporter sought her out.

[TwilightGardener]

44. She whines about too much publicity, and then grants an interview, and

also makes a false charge that she was stiffed? Sounds like she didn't get enough attention the first time around.

[Apollo11]

50. Maybe her boss kept the $100?

It's a stretch to accuse her of making false charges, if we don't know the full facts.

[TwilightGardener]

51. I read it was her first day on the job. Perhaps she was just clueless--

but she clearly sounds like a whiny "me me me" attention-seeking dipshit.

[rove karl rove]

65. she wan't even in the restaraunt at the time n/t

[ShortnFiery]

117. Why do you assume that because she's a waitress, she's clueless.

Is there a little *classism* going on here?

[July]

136. The poster you are responding to didn't say that.

The suggestion was that she might be "clueless" because she was new to the job, not because of the type of job she holds.

[leftist_not_liberal]

145. There is nothing false about her saying she got no tip

Nor, apparently, is there anything false about the campaign saying it left one.

Looks like the manager is the real weenie ;)

Well, him and National Propaganda Radio of course.

[Alter Ego]

53. From what I heard this morning, she didn't sound too unreasonable

Hell, she was still considering voting for Hillary.

[jmp]

69. Or maybe the bill got paid after the stuff hit the fan ...

Which would explain why the waitress never saw the supposed tip. :eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

71. The restaurant confirms that the tip was paid--let it go.

[jmp]

72. If the owner wants to say that he pocketed the woman's tip ...

... I'll take his word that he's a thief. I will NOT take his word that the bill was paid at the time and that a tip was left because the waitress would've known about it and she said it didn't happen.

Spin it any way you like.

[TwilightGardener]

74. Quite possibly, more than one waitress waited on the campaign, and the campaign

added the tip to the bill instead of leaving it on the table. If the waitress was in training (her first day), she may have only gotten a cut of the total for the day from the other waitresses. Jesus, why is it so hard to believe that the campaign paid fair and square?

[jmp]

79. Because Hillary has lied to me and the waitress hasn't.

Fair enough? :eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

80. Oh please. Aren't you the one who said you'd still be a Republican if it

weren't for Dick Cheney? Go away.

[jmp]

82. Bush and Cheney

That is correct. You had a point? :eyes:

[TwilightGardener]

83. You just made it. Thanks for playing.

[rinsd]

93. Holy shit? So Newt and company was ok but Bush and Cheney pushed you away?

Well at least I know not to pay attention to your rants anymore.

[jmp]

97. Newt and I shared a party ...

That doesn't mean we were ever ideologically aligned. I was far closer to Pat Buchanan than Newt. And yes, if Bush/Cheney had never come along, I would almost certainly still be a GOPer ... and I wouldn't be here.

So blame Bush/Cheney. :P


"Well at least I know not to pay attention to your rants anymore."

I never took you talking points seriously, so ...

[dsc]

109. I would prefer Newt

Buchanan is a racist, homophobe, sexist, and nativist, not to mention anti semitic.

[Marrah_G]

129. I think you are on the wrong website

Thank go for the ignore function. You and your "republican values" aren't going to dirty up my screen.

Pathetic.

[jmp]

84. btw I notice that you didn't bother to refute the fact ...

That Clinton has been lying to the American people for 15 years ... and counting.

At least you know when to cut and run. ;)

[TwilightGardener]

86. I don't think she's been lying. I didn't want to dignify your attack with a response--

and I'm far from a Hillary supporter.

[MNDemNY]

131. please crawl back under your rock.

[ronnykmarshall]

92. For real?

That explains A LOT!

[TwilightGardener]

94. Yep. He doesn't deny it either.

[ronnykmarshall]

95. Hmmmm?

Want some pizza?

[jmp]

99. Never have. It's hard to remember, but that information ...

May have been part of my very first post on this forum ... back when I was still backing Hillary.

Stuff happens ... things change.

Some of us don't get paid to do this. ;)

[Cronus Protagonist]

112. Hey, watch your nose doesn't hit the ceiling fan there

I worry about you.

[leftist_not_liberal]

146. Diane Rehm show continued this irrelevent bullshit today

the facts that were mentioned:

The business' merchant account is not set up to allow for tips to be added to the transaction, thus necessitating a cash tip to which a staffer said something to the effect "then we must have left cash."

Many of the lady's who work there have been there 20-30 years according the waitress who was interviewed and who knew these women before going to work there. Consequently she believes it's highly unlikely that they would not share and share alike when such an event occurs.

In any case, this is all fucking bullshit for the many many folks around the nation and even here at DU who are just too stupified by infotainment nation to bother discussing things that matter when it comes to our (decidedly NOT) representative oligarchical, careerist government.

[gorekerrydreamticket]

121. If true, then whoever stole the tip needs to be outed for the shit-heel they are....

my two cents

[mod mom]

101. NPR got it wrong but WORSE: CLINTON'S FREETRADE POLICY IS SENDING JOBS OVERSEAS

AND IT CAUSING FOLKS TO WORK SEVERAL LOW PAYING JOBS TO MAKE ENDS MEET. Then of course there is the National Security aspect of Free Trade:

The National Security Implications of "Free" Trade
All we hear about are the supposed benefits of this corporate written trade policy, even though those benefits are often highly questionable or just plain fabricated. But we never hear about how "free" trade policy is now being used not only to destroy America's job base, but to help arm what could be one of America's most dangerous military competitors (we barely hear it from the "strategic class" of foreign policy elites in D.C., we don't even hear it from the Bush neoncons, who purport to be serious hawks, but whose silence on this issue shows they are hawks only when it doesn't offend their corporate benefactors). That should concern not only the workers who have been displaced by corporate-written trade policies, but every single American who is interested in the long-term security of this country.

-snip
http://www.davidsirota.com/2005/12/national-security-implications-of-free.html


Now tell me what worse:

a. an error in a story that was corrected
or
b. advocating a policy that is outsourcing many well paying jobs to benefit the wealthiest of corporations while helping to destroy the environment. (most of the countries that the manufacturing is moved to have very weak environmental regulations if any.

on edit here is Hillary's stance from the top of the page:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x3698664

[leftist_not_liberal]

147. Yeah, but that is boring

How do you like Paris' new car?

:sarcasm:

[JaneQPublic]

110. It was the waitress' first day on the job. (nt)

[leftist_not_liberal]

148. Hadn't heard that. In many establishments

trainees do not earn tips during their first few days of work...

[Cameron27]

19. I hope that everyone who jumped on the

original story, reads this.

K&R

[durrrty libby]

21. So the co-worker stiffed her, not Clinton's staff. .......Nice

[ryanus]

22. Duh, they planted the story, so they could then give the correction

people, please. It's like nobody here knows how to campaign. No I can't prove this was the case, but that is what I'd do: leak out that they stiffed the waitress and let the news pick it up, then offer the correction.

It's not news if they just gave a $100 tip. But if you get in the news as being wrongly accused of stiffing the waitress, and then prove that you gave a $100 tip, that's priceless. And all it cost them was $100 for all that news time.

[cali]

27. bwaha. like Clinton needs news time, let alone negative

news time. that has to be the funniest post I've seen today.

[TwilightGardener]

28. That would be a really stupid strategy, then, because people read

the first story, NOT the correction.
edit--NPR thought it had a little "Macaca" moment on Hillary, and it was false. 'Nuff said. Expect more of it as time goes on, no matter who our nominee is.

[rinsd]

The GOP was licking their chops.....

The whole thing stunk of the limosine liberal charge.

[TwilightGardener]

36. Yep--Limpballs was all over this one today, charging the Clintons

of having no use for "the little people" after the photo-op. That's when I knew it was trumped-up bullshit.

[itsrobert]

30. Good point

Hillary war room in action again. Dirty, dirty, dirty.

[cali]

52. hate has deranged you. I know you reject that but

I'm not trying to snark on you. Seriously, if you believe that, you need to back away from politics for a bit- or get help.

[itsrobert]

55. You're hate for truth has deranged you

You need help. Not trying to snark on you.

[cali]

58. didn't think it would work, but at least i gave it a try. n/t

[itsrobert]

59. Same here.

Hillary is not my candidate. We are in serious trouble if she is the nominee. Thanks.

[ronnykmarshall]

61. Some people just like the smell of manure.

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

76. .

[cuke]

96. I put the "All hate, no content" posters on ignore

not sure which one we're talking about here :-)

[rinsd]

35. Sigh because we all know people pay more attention to the correction vs the scoop.

:eyes:

[onenote]

57. whatever else you do in life, don't become a campaign strategist.

(Or if you do become a campaign strategist, get hired by the other side).

[ronnykmarshall]

62. Yeah that's it.

And monkeys are flying out of my ass.

[mwb970]

113. You actually think Hillary *planted* this ridiculous story?

That seems extremely unlikely to me.

[MNDemNY]

132. .

:tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat: :tinfoilhat:

[itsrobert]

24. Not very frugal with her campaign donations

$100 is not 15 to 20 percent of $157.

[rinsd]

32. Now the tip is too big?

Hillary bashers are priceless in their mindless hatred of her.

:eyes:

[ronnykmarshall]

40. And you're shocked?

Hillary could have bussed the table and washed dishes .... then she would have been "pandering".

[durrrty libby]

46. lol..Pay him no mind. He's in a funk. His Hate Hill poll was locked

[Clintonista2]

42. Itsrobert... please, never stop posting.

Your posts have me laughing all day long :rofl::rofl:

[ronnykmarshall]

88. Check this out this gem.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=3696266&mesg_id=3698379

Now he's acting all innocent. "Oh I don't want to click on that link ......."

[Clintonista2]

89. LOL!

To be fair, I don't think he's totally "with" it.

[maddiejoan]

47. To be fair

With Bush's new US dollar --the tip was only $90.

[DFW]

130. That is wishful thinking!!

I'm paid in dollars in the USA, but live mostly in Euroland, and
those dollars are now worth about 45 cents each, basis 2001. I have
experienced an effective 55% or more reduction in take-home pay
except when I really am home, and since I am stationed overseas,
that isn't much.

[LanternWaste]

54. what the precise and relevant amount of money the tip should have been

Oh. My God!

Please tell us what the precise and relevant amount of money the tip should have been. Is the answer based on custom only? Service and custom? Service, custom and locale? You've been made aware of the service how? You've been made aware of how tasty the food was through...?

Yesterday, she was too frugal. Now she's too generous. It's like having our own chorus of Rush Limbaugh's right here on DU, spinning then and counter-spinning-- the conclusion always the same, yet the story changes.

You guys should really try out for an A.M. radio talk show host position-- because that's exactly how they operate, too.

[mwb970]

114. Did you read the comments in the linked article?

There are many snarky posts from GOP Hill-haters on there, and the tone changes only slightly after the update revealed that the whole story was a phony right-wing lie. The funny thing is, the right-wingers bashing Hillary there sound exactly like the Hillary-haters here on DU. Exactly. Check it out if you doubt me.

[Dora]

85. Large parties with difficult orders are obliged to tip heavily.

It's an unwritten code of conduct among civilized people who dine in food-service establishments that if you come in with a large party, then you tip more than 20%.

[itsrobert]

91. Actually the tip is usually mandatory on the bill already

It's usually printed on the menu.

[Dora]

106. The mandated "service charge" is usually 15-18%, IIRC.

And when I was waiting tables, we didn't have an automatic service charge for large parties.

[antiimperialist]

33. ABC News created "Path to 9-11"

ABC News is a Republican network.

[tammywammy]

39. "ABC News is a Republican network"

So they debunked a Hillary story? Or is this another Hillary = Republican spin?

[youthere]

34. Kicking so everyone can see it.

[avrdream]

41. How low can we go?

I didn't see the original posts but hearing that DUers jumped on such a stupid story is discouraging. Thanks for pointing out the correction.

[jgraz]

45. Damn, and here I thought this was going to be another joke about the Clenis

I'm deeply disappointed. :cry:

[AtomicKitten]

48. More nonsense from the Media Heathers (that now includes bloggers)

... who think adding their editorial spin on any particular news or not-so-news item is perfectly fine in the pursuit of entertainment. Feh.

[Alter Ego]

49. I heard this story this morning!

So it wasn't true.

Damn, I knew something smelled funny about it.

[William769]

56. Actually the bill was $157.00 and the tip was $100.00!

[wyldwolf]

60. the best part of this is watching ANOTHER bullshit Clinton story bite the dust...

...to the chagrin of some DUers.

[ronnykmarshall]

63. But you know the Clinton camp planted this!

Oh it's true. To find the post that breaks that story ..... look and follow the smell of cow shit.

You'll find it.

Too bad ol' Ethel's not here to help spread it.

[durrrty libby]

67. I'm sure she's here in spirit

O8) O8) O8)

[Quantess]

143. Why would they do that?

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

64. AHA! So you admit SHE didn't leave a tip. ("Hillary's staff...")

[Lucinda]

68. Pot stirrer!

:)

[LoZoccolo]

70. Recommended! EVERYBODY RECOMMEND THIS TO THROW THE BASTARD ACCUSATIONS DOWN! n/t

[Skip Intro]

73. Thanks. Think it'll give pause to the Hillary bashers here? Nah...

But thanks for the facts.

[zulchzulu]

75. Do they have a receipt?

If they charged it, I would assume they have a receipt. I can't imagine paying $257 in cash ($157 + $100 tip)... All campaigns use charge cards...

[jmp]

78. Probably not ...

But they'll produce one if need be. ;)

[shenmue]

77. This is what they're down to. Some silly little bullshit.

It would be absolutely bullshit if anybody else in the country did it. Only because it was Sen. Clinton was it 'worth' the nonsense.

Do these people work for Fox News?

Thanks for being one of the rare people to stick up for sensibility.

[Clintonista2]

87. K

[slipslidingaway]

90. K&R, why do we take the bait from the media on this type of

story...or lapel pins, or haircuts. These stories are used solely to keep us from discussing the more important issues and to create undo division. Some of these stories might be interesting, but for me they would not be a reason to vote, or not vote, for a candidate. And at the very least wait a few hours and see if the rumour dies.

:shrug:

in edit, i'm replying and giving this an R to combat the previous thread.

[cuke]

98. Because it's allowed

For some posters, that's all it takes

[slipslidingaway]

102. I certainly am not in favor of limiting free speech and the mods

have enough to do, but we need to check ourselves every once in awhile and not play along.

:)

[cuke]

108. Some posters have no interest in checking themselves

The one who originally posted this lie is still defending it.

[Faryn Balyncd]

103. I oppose Hillary's nomination, but I'm still recommending this to the top of "Greatest Page" . . .

NPR is so intimidated by the Limbaugh right wing, that they take every possible occasion to bash Democrats.

CNN has become worse than Fox News.

When even the right wing does not believe their own lies about the so-called "liberal media". and admits to "playing the refs", but the media continues to pass along right wing lies in an eternal attempt to disprove the charge, we are in deep trouble.

We must stand up to these lying, spineless "journalists" (even if & when we oppose the candidacy of the Democrat they slander).

We're in this together.

[Canuckistanian]

104. I think there should be a 12-hour wait before commenting on this stuff

Or AT LEAST wait until the "rest of the story" can be told.

If no comment in that time period, then anything's fair game.

[cuke]

105. The original poster of this tripe is still defending the lie

Incredible

[ShortnFiery]

118. What lie? It still boils down to the fact that HRC's staff was too lazy to properly

disperse the tip. Newsflash: It's not a five star Marriott restaurant, so just perhaps it might be wise to tip the waitress separately? :eyes:

[Alter Ego]

127. According to NPR's follow-up, an HRC campaign staffer

went back to the restaurant and tipped the waitress 20 bucks anyway. It's more likely some fucker in management stole it than the campaign didn't leave a tip--if they truly hadn't, they'd be making up excuses rather than flat out denying the accusations.

[ShortnFiery]

128. Perhaps, but that does not excuse the staff's "laziness" of the original lump sum payment.

We're not talking country club dining here. Whenever I dine at less than four star restaurants, I make sure to bring a little extra cash to sit on the table as a tip. Why? Although I'm no politician, I do that for the waitress/waiter who then does not have to wait until the shift is well over and "the management" has reported the tips added to the credit card receipts.

[LanternWaste]

157. So this hullabaloo

So this hullabaloo is still pretty much all her fault?

Just. Wow. You guys are really beginning to amaze me.

[Miss_Underestimated]

107. That's all well & good, but I want to know how much they paid for their haircuts!

:eyes:

[Kurovski]

111. K&R. (nt)

[ShortnFiery]

115. "it might have not been disbursed properly." = Given to the management.

Yes, that's the way. :eyes:

[Tektonik]

119. This is STILL being discussed?

God this shit is boring. Old news is old news! Bring in the stories of her eating babies, being so shrill she explodes eardrums, etc. :eyes:

[MethuenProgressive]

122. Yup. The "hope" is if the lie is repeated often enough, some will think it's true

That's the politics of "hope"...

[DFW]

123. Giuliani beheads preteen in NYC school, Hillary pushes toddler out of plane at 20,000 feet!

Retractions at 11.

Or 3 AM.

Or never, you'll never pay attention anyway.

[fightindonkey]

125. This Is News?!

[itsrobert]

126. Yes

The mainstream media goes out of its way to make sure they get the correct story for Hillary. If the story was about a progressive Democrat, expect no correction issued. That's just the way the corporate media work.

[LanternWaste]

158. I'd give you a shovel, too.

I'd give you a shovel, too. However you seem to be digging a pretty deep hole on your own (very efficiently, I might ad)...

[xenofilms]

134. Go Hillary

HILLARY 2008!!!

[ForeignSpectator]

135. I don't care at all, even if she didn't leave a tip, I wouldn't care...

...so that's a reason to be for or against a candidate? "He said she said" stories?

I came here today to read about Kucinich and impeachment and there are 2 threads among the top5 that revolve around Clinton leaving tips or not... hello?!

[redqueen]

155. Clinton and Obama are all that matter.

Most talk revolves around them and the minutiae of their campaigns.

Not, of course, their stance on Free Trade. That's boring.

[Odin2005]

137. Maybe I need to quit listening to Morning Edition when I'm still half groggy in the morning...

[youthere]

140. kicking

[youthere]

141. kicking

[ShortnFiery]

142. Kicking for the $100 cash that didn't make it to the hourly workers but was "with the management"

:crazy: Yes, I guess Political Tipping 101 means that you TIP the salaried workers first (management) like they do in the Corporate World.

Silly Staffers! "Bonuses" are for da management whereas "tips" are for hourly service workers. :eyes:

[Broke Dad]

144. RE: NPR update this morning

A Hillary staffer brought out $20 yesterday (11/8/07) to the waitress at the Maid-Rite in Toledo after the story broke.

Clinton's original version was that the bill was paid with a credit card and a $100 tip was added on. The manager at the Maid-Rite pointed out their old credit card machine doesn't allow them to add tips. Then the Clinton campaign produced the alleged receipt showing the tip. Then the manager said that maybe the other employees pocketed the entire $100 tip. The waitress in the story said she has worked with some of these people all of her life and they would not pocket $100 without sharing with her. Then Thursday, the Clinton staffer shows up with $20.

NPR's reporter was drilled by Clinton's staff because he did not "vet" the story with them before going on air.

The truth is that the woman who waited on Hillary did not get a tip until yesterday, after the story broke. The rest is spin and intimidation by the Clinton organization when they made a mistake.

We do not need a nominee or a president who refuses to admit mistakes and then pulls a Nixon cover up and intimidates people who report the mistake. We have lived through that nightmare! Enough!

Hillary go back to New York!

[leftist_not_liberal]

149. Dunno about the latter part of your post, but

on Diane Rehm today it was said that the diner's merchant account was not set up to allow a tip to be added to a credit card transaction, as I posted upthread...

[cuke]

164. "the Clinton campaign produced the alleged receipt showing the tip"

Did Rehm explain how there's a reciept for a payment their account isn't set up to accept?

[leftist_not_liberal]

165. Not that I recall though receipots were mentioned

rather than count on my memory, I'd encourage you to listen to the show.

http://wamu.org/programs/dr/

[cuke]

166. The issue is not your memory, it's the facts

Again

"the Clinton campaign produced the alleged receipt showing the tip"

[leftist_not_liberal]

168. Take it up with NPR

I was not trying to make a point, only to relay what I heard discussed on the Friday news round-up.

[LanternWaste]

151. tips go into a general fund gathered and managed by the supervisors

My girlfriend waits tables at an establishment in which ALL tips go into a general fund gathered and managed by the supervisors, and at the end of the shift are then distributed equitably (so says the managers anyway...)

[Dr. Strange]

150. I know this is supposed to help Hillary...

but I'm not sure if it's going to resonate very well with people.

Like Joe six-pack is going to say, "Hey, she's just like us. She has her staff leave a tip!"

[HuckleB]

160. Journalism is dead.

How did this ludicrous story ever make the airwaves? Incompetence reigns at NPR, and at every other news outlet.

Meanwhile at DU, we have threads being started with juvenile statements comparing Democratic candidates to Reagan.

Get a grip, ya'll. Get a grip.

Please.

[sampsonblk]

163. This 'story' was dumb when it started and its dumb now-nt