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Bluebear
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:12 PM Original message |
"Obama talks gay. (Again.)" |
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terrya
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
1. Maybe it's just me, but people who embrace that "ex-gay" crap... |
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Taverner
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Mon Nov-12-07 07:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
84. I am friends with a lot of people I disagree with |
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MethuenProgressive
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Tue Nov-13-07 08:08 AM Response to Reply #1 |
111. Obama's 'support' of gay rights is as phony as his "y'all" |
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ellisonz
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Wed Nov-14-07 11:52 PM Response to Reply #111 |
123. Actually, y'all has entered popular American discourse and is no longer simply regional. |
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closeupready
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
2. Heck, I even disagree with "good" or "decent". How can you be good or decent |
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RufusTFirefly
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:44 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. You're right. You can't. |
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emilyg
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:46 PM Response to Reply #2 |
21. Agree. You can't. |
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Maven
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:41 PM Response to Reply #2 |
95. Exactly. I doubt Obama would be trying to sell us racists who were "good and decent" |
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Donald Ian Rankin
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Tue Nov-13-07 01:39 PM Response to Reply #2 |
114. Consider all the people that rules out. |
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closeupready
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Tue Nov-13-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #114 |
115. I guess so, but context matters. Since this is 2007, times have changed. |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
3. Oh puke |
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Glorfindel
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:21 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Votes - there are more bigots (yes, BIGOTS) than there are LGBT |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:24 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Sad but true |
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democratsin08
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. obama needs to zip the lip |
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riqster
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
5. I betcha there were "good and decent people" |
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avrdream
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:27 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. That's what I was thinking: |
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Tellurian
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Get ready for Obama's revisionist history lesson |
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jonnyblitz
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:52 PM Response to Reply #11 |
23. His DU supporters are good at telling us he didn't say what he |
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Tellurian
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Mon Nov-12-07 07:53 PM Response to Reply #23 |
85. To delve into their mindset is delving into fucking insanity! |
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ellisonz
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Wed Nov-14-07 11:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
124. Except nobody is talking about committing genocide against homosexuals in America. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Nov-15-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Perhaps you were not around or were not paying attention |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:10 AM Response to Reply #127 |
132. I've seen Paragraph 175. |
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FreeState
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Thu Nov-15-07 12:27 AM Response to Reply #124 |
128. Really? I wish that were true but its not... (links) |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Umm...do you think I'm stupid??? |
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FreeState
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:46 AM Response to Reply #130 |
134. No but your not being honest |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:55 AM Response to Reply #134 |
137. I'm not being dishonest in any way... |
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FreeState
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:04 AM Response to Reply #137 |
138. Your original post said no one is advocating it - now its not enough |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:11 AM Response to Reply #138 |
141. But it is reality... |
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FreeState
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #141 |
143. No one compared them to "good Germans" |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:24 AM Response to Reply #143 |
148. A poster did downthread and that is the implication of the above post. |
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FreeState
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:30 AM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Where does that call Obama a Good German? |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:39 AM Response to Reply #150 |
151. This really does remind me of Dean and the Confederate flag flap.. |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 03:00 AM Response to Reply #150 |
153. It was a pleasure to put this crackpot on ignore. He's "sick of hearing about McClurkin" |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 04:37 AM Response to Reply #153 |
155. Iraq, healthcare, jobs is what the polling says. |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 04:45 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. Backtrack much? Look, if you don't care about GBLT people, then say so... |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:01 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Holy shit, these people are insufferable. |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:07 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. I try, there have been a few interruptions in the past 3 weeks or so though... |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:19 AM Response to Reply #157 |
162. I just take offense to the treatment of GLBT people in the US being compared to the Holocaust... |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:27 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. The problem is that those people AREN'T good, decent, or moral, they are evil... |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:32 AM Response to Reply #163 |
164. You don't think the dichotomy of good and evil is a little simplistic in this case? |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:39 AM Response to Reply #164 |
166. If they are a bigot, they are evil... |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:51 AM Response to Reply #166 |
167. Good luck with that come general election time... |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:56 AM Response to Reply #167 |
168. What the fuck is your point? Most Americans opposed interracial marriages until 1990... |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 06:14 AM Response to Reply #168 |
169. My point is that you're calling evil a good portion of the country. |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 06:22 AM Response to Reply #169 |
170. They are either evil themselves, or, at the very least, cowards and/or opportunists. |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 06:43 AM Response to Reply #170 |
172. Yes. |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 06:50 AM Response to Reply #172 |
173. JFK was a coward on the issue, at least early in his administration... |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 06:54 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. Just saying that reasonable people can disagree reasonably... |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 07:13 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. This has nothing, NOTHING, to do with "ideological purity", it has to do with what is RIGHT! |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:17 AM Response to Reply #141 |
145. "No major group or individual in America...." -- SHAME on you. |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:20 AM Response to Reply #145 |
147. I think Phelps is an irrelevent jackass who just lost a major lawsuit. |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 12:42 AM Response to Reply #124 |
129. Be glad your Jewish relatives survived the holocaust for you to take such offense over. |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:07 AM Response to Reply #129 |
131. Nobody but a bunch of irrelevent wingnuts... |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:30 AM Response to Reply #131 |
133. I didn't look at the above post, I looked at yours. An AIDS clinic was shot at yesterday in Dallas |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:47 AM Response to Reply #133 |
135. Well then maybe you should since that was what I was responding too... |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 01:52 AM Response to Reply #135 |
136. Of course there were people who didn't embrace Jews, gays, etc... |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:08 AM Response to Reply #136 |
139. Because the implication is that Barack Obama and McClurckin are somehow similar to Nazi's... |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:13 AM Response to Reply #139 |
142. So 20,000 dead homosexuals is not "as" tragic because the number isn't big enough? |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:28 AM Response to Reply #142 |
149. Not what I said! |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:57 AM Response to Reply #149 |
152. At last you show your true colors, Mr Obama apologist. |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 04:36 AM Response to Reply #152 |
154. Umm...maybe the term describes both gay men and lesbian women? |
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ellisonz
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Thu Nov-15-07 04:47 AM Response to Reply #152 |
158. Congratulations on being the first person on my ignore list of the campaign season... |
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ellacott
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
7. I doubt the way to deal with it is to shame them into submission |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:32 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. They've been shaming GLBTs into submission for centuries |
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ellacott
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:39 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. That doesn't mean it's right |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #14 |
27. I wouldn't suggest shaming them into it |
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ellacott
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:26 PM Response to Reply #27 |
53. I agree with you n/t |
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yardwork
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
46. I disagree, actually. Shame is a very effective deterrent to bigotry. |
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ellacott
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:25 PM Response to Reply #46 |
52. I don't agree n/t |
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riqster
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. If it was gonna work, it would have done so by now. |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:55 PM Response to Reply #15 |
26. You can't actually make a gay person straight |
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riqster
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Mon Nov-12-07 07:24 PM Response to Reply #26 |
83. Basic nature is what I meant |
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incapsulated
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Mon Nov-12-07 07:55 PM Response to Reply #7 |
86. Actually, that is exactly the attitude Ghandi and MLK |
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calteacherguy
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
8. He's right. There is good and bad in all of us. |
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closeupready
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:31 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. What topic are you responding to??? |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:35 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Never mind him |
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. And you know what, as I sit and reflect upon what he's writing there, |
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NMMNG
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. I was frustrated when he began pandering to the evangelicals |
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calteacherguy
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #18 |
89. What is it you disagree with about what Obama said? nt |
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Mon Nov-12-07 09:00 PM Response to Reply #89 |
97. That someone can be unprepared to share their community with a gay or lesbian brother or sister, and |
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Bluebear
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:34 AM Response to Reply #97 |
165. Don't bother with him. |
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DemocratSinceBirth
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:58 PM Response to Reply #13 |
28. He Used To Be For Hillary |
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calteacherguy
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:10 PM Response to Reply #28 |
90. LOL. nt |
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TAZller
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:09 PM Response to Reply #10 |
39. "do not yet embrace" is not = rejecting... |
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calteacherguy
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:11 PM Response to Reply #39 |
91. Exactly. Thank for your personal insight! nt |
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Wed Nov-14-07 10:25 PM Response to Reply #39 |
121. "embrace" is a red-herring... a weasel-word |
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Bluebear
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #10 |
60. Don't bother. He has a random bromide generator he uses on any Obama thread. |
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IndianaJones
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. ebony and ivory...live together in perfect harmony...side by side... |
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yardwork
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:16 PM Response to Reply #8 |
47. So what? |
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:07 PM Response to Reply #8 |
87. It's never a true McClurkin thread unless |
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:12 PM Response to Reply #87 |
92. I've never defended McClurkin. nt |
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Mon Nov-12-07 10:13 PM Response to Reply #92 |
101. Of course you are |
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Bluebear
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Wed Nov-14-07 10:27 PM Response to Reply #92 |
122. Oh that's rich! |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Nov-15-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #122 |
125. Totally ! |
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CyberPieHole
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:41 PM Response to Original message |
16. Kick and recommend for civil rights for ALL! Including the GLBT community. n/t |
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
17. At least he's trying to talk about it. The other candidates are silent |
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riqster
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. He's green |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:47 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Obama is none of those things. |
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:53 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I'd say he's all of them. Here's why: |
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
31. "Fundagelical" what a hoot! |
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riqster
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:08 PM Response to Reply #31 |
88. Good points |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:02 PM Response to Reply #24 |
34. rebuttal |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
36. No he didn't he repeatedly lied |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:08 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Obama sponsored the concert - period. |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. He appeared there by video |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:11 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. your remedy has always been not voting for him |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. don't worry I won't |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:15 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Blog-chatter is often wrong and almost always inflammatory. |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. again I read the NYT |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:29 PM Response to Reply #48 |
55. I've reviewed all the data I could get my hands on ... and we disagree. |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #55 |
56. I didn't call names |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:37 PM Response to Reply #56 |
59. you called him liar in this thread |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #59 |
63. I didn't call him a liar |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:48 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. same difference ;) |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:53 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I knew it was a lie not because I was at the event |
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Solon
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Thu Nov-15-07 04:40 AM Response to Reply #67 |
156. So instead of being a liar, Obama is incompetent? |
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:17 PM Response to Reply #34 |
49. Rebuttal of your rebuttal (minor point) |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:32 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Truthfully, I don't begrudge any of the candidates going for the win. |
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riqster
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
94. My response |
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jonnyblitz
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Mon Nov-12-07 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
25. You're just a one trick pony, Bluebear. Nobody cares about this. |
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Bluebear
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:45 PM Response to Reply #25 |
66. :) |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:01 PM Response to Original message |
32. I'll try to be fair here |
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rucky
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:13 PM Response to Reply #32 |
44. everybody thinks they're moral. |
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:02 PM Response to Original message |
33. I support Obama, but that was terribly tone deaf. |
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Bluebear
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:39 PM Response to Reply #33 |
61. And I wholly respect and thank you for your reaction. |
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rucky
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:07 PM Response to Original message |
37. He's right. |
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yardwork
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:19 PM Response to Reply #37 |
50. That's beside the point. Nobody is advocating that we beat up homophobic bigots. |
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rucky
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:24 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Let's give him a chance to get out of the box gracefully. |
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yardwork
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:04 PM Response to Reply #51 |
69. If that is his intention, where are the actions to match? |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:14 PM Response to Reply #69 |
71. well said |
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yardwork
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:25 PM Response to Reply #71 |
73. ...and thank God and the Goddess for that, dsc! You are beautiful just the way God made you. |
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dsc
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. I know that now |
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rucky
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:34 PM Response to Reply #69 |
76. I hope he follows through. |
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IndianaJones
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:10 PM Response to Original message |
40. good, decent, moral bigots. welcome to America. nt. |
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mtnsnake
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:27 PM Response to Original message |
54. As someone who is straight & pro-Obama, I find his rhetoric on this deplorable |
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Bluebear
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #54 |
62. Bravo, mtnsnake. |
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yardwork
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:27 PM Response to Reply #54 |
74. Thank you very much for taking this principled stand! |
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AtomicKitten
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:44 PM Response to Reply #54 |
77. Only Kucinich will deliver what you are berating Obama about. |
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mtnsnake
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:52 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. I don't need anyone telling me who I like or don't like |
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Mon Nov-12-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #78 |
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
58. You catch more bees with honey than vinegar. He has a strong voting record on gay rights |
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:41 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. Obama has also gone into black churches and admonished them |
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Mon Nov-12-07 04:44 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Yup. He actually speaks the truth to those who NEED to hear it... |
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. Do you have a link and a video or transcript of Obama admonishing a congregation about homophobia? |
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Mon Nov-12-07 06:29 PM Response to Reply #70 |
81. ....... |
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Mon Nov-12-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #70 |
100. He talked about homophobia in connection with AIDS testing at the Howard debate |
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Tue Nov-13-07 11:10 AM Response to Reply #100 |
113. This is not the documentation I requested to support the assertions being made. |
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Mon Nov-12-07 05:16 PM Response to Original message |
72. Oh goddammit Obama just STFU already |
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Mon Nov-12-07 06:25 PM Response to Original message |
80. I'm from New Jersey, |
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Mon Nov-12-07 07:20 PM Response to Original message |
82. I cannot support anyone who acts as an apologist for hatred and bigotry |
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:15 PM Response to Original message |
93. I don't like the whole religio-politico thing Obama is working. |
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Mon Nov-12-07 09:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
98. Josiah, welcome to DU! |
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Tue Nov-13-07 04:52 PM Response to Reply #98 |
119. Hi Bluebear. |
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Mon Nov-12-07 08:49 PM Response to Original message |
96. So, in essence, in his latest statement, HE ACTUALLY COMPLIMENTS THE BIGOTS |
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Mon Nov-12-07 09:33 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Flattery |
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Mon Nov-12-07 10:48 PM Response to Original message |
102. Will ANY candidate say that those who oppose gay marriage |
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Mon Nov-12-07 10:54 PM Response to Reply #102 |
104. DK's my guy |
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:16 AM Response to Reply #102 |
144. *crickets* |
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Mon Nov-12-07 10:53 PM Response to Original message |
103. WTF is "good, decent" or "moral" about excluding anyone from "our shared community" on the |
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Mon Nov-12-07 11:41 PM Response to Original message |
105. WTF? Get a clue: "good, decent, moral people" are not bigots. |
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Mon Nov-12-07 11:44 PM Response to Original message |
106. Here's one of Obama's "good, decent, moral" homophobes: |
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Mon Nov-12-07 11:47 PM Response to Original message |
107. Can we all now agree that Obama welcomes bigots into his campaign |
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Tue Nov-13-07 07:38 AM Response to Reply #107 |
109. but how can you change them without welcoming them |
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Thu Nov-15-07 12:20 AM Response to Reply #107 |
126. And you have a Howard Dean avatar! |
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #126 |
178. I didn't disagree with Howard and you're making a painfully weak and inaccurate comparison |
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Mon Nov-12-07 11:52 PM Response to Original message |
108. Sorry, Obama |
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Tue Nov-13-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. Well said |
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Tue Nov-13-07 08:03 AM Response to Original message |
110. Edwards Is a Good Example of Such a Decent Person |
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Tue Nov-13-07 02:22 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. Oy |
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Tue Nov-13-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #110 |
120. Except for Obama was apparently talking about himself |
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Tue Nov-13-07 02:30 PM Response to Original message |
117. Hay obama, I got something you can embrace. |
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Tue Nov-13-07 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
118. Good, decent, moral bigots! Obama...I've lost alot of respect for you. |
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:10 AM Response to Original message |
140. I don't think Obama is gay! |
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Thu Nov-15-07 02:18 AM Response to Reply #140 |
146. Oh please do us a favor and read the post. |
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Thu Nov-15-07 05:11 AM Response to Original message |
161. There is nothing "good", "decent" or "moral" about being a bigot. |
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Thu Nov-15-07 06:34 AM Response to Original message |
171. Doesn't ex-gay mean ex gay boyfriend? |
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Thu Nov-15-07 03:36 PM Response to Reply #171 |
176. Come again? |
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Thu Nov-15-07 04:57 PM Response to Reply #171 |
177. No, it means someone really believes there blue eyes are brown N/T |
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