When Clinton wins......what then?

[Uben]

Let's assume for a minute that Hillary wins the nomination. Where do you stand? Your candidate didn't make the cut, you worked hard for him, but he fell short, and now you have to move on. Do you show your disdain by ripping our candidate? Yes, I said OUR candidate because if she is nominated, that is what she is, our candidate!

Do you continue to bitch and moan because you didn't get what you wanted or do you stand up and fight for the party? I have seen so much Hillary-bashing here it is sickening. People make these attack threads on Clinton and refuse to say who they support so they won't have to face the scrutiny of their candidate. Guess what? I can rip the hell out of every dem candidate! Every single one of them have flaws....you know it, I know it. But, I have not demeaned any of our candidates to make Hillary look better. I am a democrat! No, I am not a hard left-winger. Never have been, never will be. Taking either side to extreme is not beneficial to our country.

So, what then will you do? Do you fight for the candidate you have so vehemently been trying to tear down, do you lay down and sulk, or do you just do nothing? If you say you just can't vote for Clinton because she is a corporatist, who do you vote for?
I sincerely hope you all can put your differences aside and do the right thing......elect a democrat! And if you can't bring yourself to do that, are you not in the wrong place?

Without unity, we cannot win. Are you willing to suffer another four years of a republican president because your dem candidate did not win the nomination. If your answer is yes, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

I have decided to vote for Clinton in the primary, but you can bet your sweet patootie I will be voting for the democrat in the general election, regardless of who wins the nomination. They are all capable and worthy, but only one will prevail, and we MUST support the one who wins. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Vote for the candidate you like in the primary and good luck.

Vote for the democrat in the general election.

[saltpoint]

1. She ain't won yet.

Let's see how it looks the morning of January 4th before we declare anybody a winner.

This household will support the Democratic ticket, unless Zell Miller is on it.

[Uben]

4. No one has declared a winner

I asked what you would do IF she won, not when she wins. I told you what I will do if she does not, what will you do if she does?

on edit:The thread title does state when she wins, I should have said if. my bad! But it was a hypothetical, not an ineveitable.

[saltpoint]

9. Uben, yes, and I amended my response to add that I'm supporting the

Democratic ticket.

I was unclear. Sorry.

[ClarkUSA]

10. "I asked what you would do IF she won, not when she wins."

Check your OP title... getting ahead of yourself, eh?

[waiting for hope]

7. So many people forget the

horror that is Zell Miller. I saw a post where they listed all the Dem candidates with Bold (D)'s after their names ... I posted my reply: Zell Miller (D)...no one replied. Oh well.

Good Morning OC! and Happy Holidays to you and yours!

[saltpoint]

11. Good morning right back, waiting for hope. Thank you for

the holiday wishes and they are herewith returned in kind.

[Gman]

2. Excellent post K&R

But it won't make it very far up the Greatest Page since this post doesn't bash Hillary.

[MannyGoldstein]

3. Would I Prefer Death By Hanging Or Firing Squad?

A Democrat that loves war and outsourcing, and who's ambivalent about torture?

It's one of those decisions that I'll put off until I have to make it.

[MH1]

29. Do you prefer Roe v Wade remaining the law of the land?

Or for individual states to be able to ban abortion?

Do you prefer for marijuana to remain criminalized throughout the country, even for medical use, or do you prefer for individual states to be able decriminalize it?

Do you want groups of states to be able to agree on more stringent emissions standards than what Congress can manage to pass?

It all depends on which brand of "state's rights" you want to see after 2009.

[earthlover]

35. No I don't....and we should think about this before nominating Hillary....

...because if she loses, that is what we are going to get.

It is not an academic point or theoretical. There will be real consequenses in the real world if we nominate someone who doesn't win.
Like an 8 to 1 Supreme Court.

Either Biden, Edwards or Obama can win. At this point I don't really care which. Hillary is taking too great a gamble. If she wins in November, it would take a miracle. And even then, it would be by the skin of her teeth, with no coat-tails for Congress. We also need to consider that this is an election year that the Dems are heavily favored. If we blow it this time around, we will confirm the suspicions that the best thing we know how to do is snatch defeat out of the jaws of victory.

[avrdream]

43. The thing is, some of us feel that very same way about Obama and Edwards.

I think we lose with either of them as the nominee. It's just my opinion.

But, I massively agree with you that we could be in deep, deep poop if a Republican wins again.

[earthlover]

56. I can see your point....the one I think is by far the most electable is Biden

[reggie the dog]

50. ha ha ha

you think the Democrats are any better than the Republicans for cannabis....what did Bill Clinton ever do for cannabis smokers? He even toked himself. W. toked too and he did nothing for decrim. So how are the Democrats better? Hillary Clinton has not proposed decrim or legalization. Kucinich yes, Paul yes, Clinton no

[MH1]

61. Bill Richardson

I believe under his many accomplishments, one was that he signed a medical marijuana bill.

Also, my point was about the application of "state's rights" by the Supreme Court. I believe the Democrats have been much better in their appointment of nominees that respect state's rights appropriately (i.e. when giving MORE freedom to individuals rather than the other way around).

[reggie the dog]

63. quite right

I agree that a Democrat will probably not nominate a suprem court justice who will decide against roe V wade but I just do not see it going much farther than that.

[reggie the dog]

62. double post

x

[emilyg]

37. Manny - I know people

Both can be arranged.

[zabet]

5. If Clinton wins the primaries,

she will get my support
and my vote.

[Teaser]

6. I'll vote for her

I won't like her, but I won't start complaining about her until after she's elected.

[FormerDittoHead]

26. Pretty much here, too... I will plan to vote for her in the general, but that's it until then...

Money? Seems her corporate PACs are doing that job for her now.

Volunteer? Yeah, sure. feel the enthusiasm. :sarcasm:

...another "lesser of two evils" candidate brought to you by our corporate masters...

[sellitman]

8. I will truck on down to the local 5 & 10 and...

buy myself a close pin.

I will use that close pin on election day to vote for Hillary .

I don't know if I will be able to actually work for her though, ....that might be asking too much. :shrug:

(This post self destructs if she chooses LIEberman as her VP.)


Edited to add the last line.

[glowing]

12. You know what assuming does to people?

[Uben]

13. Yes, I do!

It actually makes one have to have contingencies. We don't always get what we want, but if you try sometimes, you just might find, you get what you need!

(someone turn that damned radio off!) LOL

[ericgtr]

14. Write In -eom

[calteacherguy]

15. I don't know. I might vote third party; it would depend on the Republican nominee.

nt

[Captain Hilts]

16. The RNC thanks you! nt

[calteacherguy]

57. I would not vote for the Republican nominee.

What I meant was wheter or not I voted third party or not at all (that makes a statement as well) would depend on a lot of factors. I live in California, which will probably go blue regardless. Lots of variables.

[Captain Hilts]

64. The RNC thanks you for voting third party! nt

[CTLawGuy]

17. I could follow the lead of

Ben Nelson, Bob Kerrey, Mary Landrieu, Mark Pryor, John Lewis, and Harold Ford, from the 2006 CT-Sen race and vote for the "best candidate" in the race, regardless of party.

But I won't. Put me on record as a Democrat in Nov. 08.

[LWolf]

18. Then I will consider all of my alternatives. n/t

[earthlover]

19. The entire premise of your arguement shows a fatal flaw in a Hillary nomination....

Like it or not, many Democrats will not enthusiastically support her. Many will not support her at all, except maybe to vote for her. Others will actually vote a third party.

A Hillary candidacy is divisive even among Democrats. We can bemoan this fact all we want. We can whine. We can call people bad Democrats. But when the day is over, nominating hillary would not unite Democrats.

Hillary is even weaker among independents, who view her as a slick politician who will say anything to get elected.

We can, of course, take a look at things and do something different. We don't HAVE to nominate a divisive candidate and then whine when he/she does poorly in November.

Nominating Biden, Edwards or Obama would be a much more unifying choice.

But it apparently is more fun to call people hillary haters. Effective, not so much. But it must be fun.

The fact that so many Hillary Supporters are day in and day out calling Democrats "Hillary Haters" ILLUSTRATES how divisive hillary is. Her supporters are attacking fellow Democrats for the crime of not agreeing with her 110%. THAT is divisive!

[cali]

25. opinion is not fact.

I don't support her, but I will enthusiastically back her if she gets the nomination. It may take some work, but I'll do it. You provide no evidence that a significant number of dems won't back her. And actually, whether they're enthusiastic enough is kinda beside the point. There were certainly be enough enthusiastic backers and Union support to do GOTV and other functions. I don't know how divisive her candidacy is outside the internet and you haven't given anything to demonstrate that it is. And how about evidence for your claim re independents and the assertation that they think she's slick?

And if people here stopped calling Clinton supporters Hillbots and comparing Clinton herself to everybody from Hitler to Zell Miller and LIEberman, that might help reduce the calls of Hillary haters. But you choose to be predictably one sided and neglect all that. Ah, hypocrisy.

[marylanddem]

20. I shudder to have to face the possibility of her winning...

[MH1]

33. Agreed. But after a good bender, then it will be time to get to work.

Even with Clinton as the nominee, if you read up on the repubs, surely you realize that the prospect of one of them as president is even more shudder-inducing?

At least with Clinton some classic social rights will be protected by her SC nominees. Individual empowerment vs corporations, not so much - but you certainly won't get that with the republicans.

[MaineDem]

21. I'll work for her election with everything I've got

As I will for whomever wins the Democratic nomination.

[burythehatchet]

22. I submit my application to any country that'll take me

[fenriswolf]

52. seconded

if hillary wins the nomination then the totalitarian state has won and I will hightail it out of here before the gates shut close.

[earthlover]

23. If Hillary gets way behind in October, many will simply give up

Again, bemoan this all you want. But if she is 10-15% down in the polls with a week or two left, many won't think it worth wasting their time. Part of this, of course, is because Hillary is not particularly inspiring to many. Too much of a triangulator, so it is not as if she is a candidate that they really are inspired by. So the motivation to fight even when down would be minimal.

Unfortunately, this is my prediction. As for me, I would probably work for Democrats in the general election, maybe emphasis on congress. If we have such a weak candidate as Hillary at the helm, we need to work hard to prevent the losses in Congress from getting too deep.

I would be resentful at this point for those who crammed Hillary down our throats at this point. I get really tired of working my butt off for unelectable candidates. Give me a winner to work for. So we don't have to have this discussion of whether people would support someone as a nominee. If you have to ask this question, you are supporting the wrong candidate!

[FormerDittoHead]

27. Oh, no! It will be like an 80% landslide for HRC! She CAN'T lose!

:sarcasm:

[MH1]

30. Then don't let her get down that far by October.

Hey, I despise Hillary, but I would much rather have her as President than any of the Republicans.

[earthlover]

34. There is one way to not let her get that far down in October---nominate someone else!

Before it is too late.

About half of voters would not even consider voting for Hillary. So we are even considering nominating someone with negatives that high?

She can't even use the number one issue, Iraq, against the Republicans because she voted for it! If she argues against the war, the Reps will say she only changed for political expediency and call her a flip flopper. So the Reps who supported Bush's Fiasco, like Hillary, will get a free pass on this if Hillary is the nominee.

If the Reps nominate McCain, Hillary will be quoted all day long about talking about experience....because McCain will make HIS experience a key issue.

Hillary would be the easiest to swift boat, the memes are already planted about her, so they won't have to start from scratch.

She doesn't have the charisma to pull it off. Sorry. I wish I was wrong. Because the vision of an 8 to 1 Supreme Court is terrifying to me, and that is what we are going to get if we nominate Hillary.

[ileus]

24. Hillary or Bust....remember there's a second Clinton in the deal.

If it's not Hillary I'll probably be forced to vote for Cynthia from the green party.

[earthlover]

36. So you would not support the Dem nominee if Hillary loses?

I don't think you are alone.

[Inspired]

28. I'll take a much needed rest from following politics.

She'll have my vote though. That's really all that matters in the end.

[sniffa]

31. be a sad day

[Czolgosz]

32. President Romney -- thank heavens she's not as inevitable as she claimed

[annie1]

38. I will support, donate, continue to talk her up at work and with friends...

and will campaign for her in PA as long as she doesn't do anything really assholish.

[Perry Logan]

39. Then the Hillary-haters will spend the next eight years trotting over here with the latest smears.

[OhioChick]

40. She Hasn't Won.....

and if she does (God forbid), we'll have "more of the same."

[Kucinich4America]

41. To HELL with Hillary

Let's assume for a minute that Hillary wins the nomination. Where do you stand?

Probably will be standing on the other side of the Canadian border really soon.

Your candidate didn't make the cut, you worked hard for him, but he fell short, and now you have to move on. Do you show your disdain by ripping our candidate? Yes, I said OUR candidate because if she is nominated, that is what she is, our candidate!

No she's not. And that's the problem.

Do you continue to bitch and moan because you didn't get what you wanted or do you stand up and fight for the party?

If Hillary buys the nomination, the party is dead. Probably the country too.

I have seen so much Hillary-bashing here it is sickening. People make these attack threads on Clinton and refuse to say who they support so they won't have to face the scrutiny of their candidate. Guess what? I can rip the hell out of every dem candidate! Every single one of them have flaws....you know it, I know it.

Give it your best shot. Let's see....... Oh yeah, that stupid Ron Paul rumor from three weeks ago :eyes:

But, I have not demeaned any of our candidates to make Hillary look better. I am a democrat! No, I am not a hard left-winger. Never have been, never will be. Taking either side to extreme is not beneficial to our country.

Taking no side at all (AKA "centrism") has given us Chimp Bush, Iraq, the "Patriot" Act, NAFTA, and bought and paid for corporate primaries which produce weak ass candidates like Kerry and Hillary.

So, what then will you do? Do you fight for the candidate you have so vehemently been trying to tear down, do you lay down and sulk, or do you just do nothing? If you say you just can't vote for Clinton because she is a corporatist, who do you vote for?

Probably nobody. I won't vote for ANY Republican, even one with a "D" after her name.

I sincerely hope you all can put your differences aside and do the right thing......elect a democrat! And if you can't bring yourself to do that, are you not in the wrong place?

Yes, electing Democrats is fine. But I thought we were talking about Hillary?

Without unity, we cannot win. Are you willing to suffer another four years of a republican president because your dem candidate did not win the nomination. If your answer is yes, YOU ARE THE PROBLEM!

Fuck you. I've listened to DLC'ers telling me that I'm the problem and that I need to compromise, while YOU have sold my party and my country down the fucking river over and over again, and I will not be a party to that.

I have decided to vote for Clinton in the primary, but you can bet your sweet patootie I will be voting for the democrat in the general election, regardless of who wins the nomination. They are all capable and worthy, but only one will prevail, and we MUST support the one who wins. No ifs, ands, or buts.

Vote for the candidate you like in the primary and good luck.

Vote for the democrat in the general election.

If a DEMOCRAT is running, no problem.

[Name removed]

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[annie1]

51. you obviousy will not be headed to canada or you'd be there right now. pack, please.

[fenriswolf]

54. and if you didn't get the message

The truest democrat running is dennis kucinich.

[enigmatic]

44. vote for her in the GE. n/t

[gateley]

45. I would definitely support her with my vote. nt

[rodeodance]

46. if she is our candidate, I will work very hard to get her elected--same said for any of them

[THUNDER HANDS]

47. i live in NY, she'll win my state regardless

I feel sorry for the people in Ohio who have to convince their fellow voters to go for her. If they wouldn't come out for Kerry, how are they coming out for Hillary?

[reggie the dog]

48. wars contiune

Iraq, Afganistan, the war on drgus.... there will be no let up.

Single payer national health insurance will be off the table.


The only leftist idea that I see being preserved will be abortion rights.

[cascadiance]

49. That's not the proper question at this point! It should be "IF Hillary Clinton wins..."

This is the whole problem with the way she's being marketed to us. All of the posts are assuming she's already won and represents the best of what we the Democrats want to put forward. There are MANY of us who don't feel that way, so you are being presumptious here!

[DFW]

53. "My" man has said he isn't running

And neither is Howard. So............

I'm waiting until I can't put it off any longer and make a decision.
The Texas primary isn't too long off. I like what Edwards says, I like
Obama personally, and I like some of the experienced people that would
join Hillary's team (Madeleine Albright, probably Wes Clark). Not rock
solid reasons for any of them, but no one asked me to make the rules.

But in the general? Yes, I'll be supporting the Democratic nominee, no
holding back. The prospect of another Alito on the Supreme Court, incompetent
far right idiots being appointed to diplomatic posts over here, embarrassing
me and all other Americans who travel here for work (or play) every time I
turn around, possibly fatal environmental damage sanctioned and blessed, and
a "Justice" department that is at least as corrupt as the criminals it is
supposedly out there to catch--all are reasons (among many others) that I feel
there will be a marked difference in the tone of things if the Democrat wins,
no matter which of the candidates out there gets the nod, and that goes for guys
like Joe Biden and Chris Dodd as well as the others.

[GalleryGod]

55. Spare Me the Lecture..

for a guy who's been around this site since 2001...you show a lack of understanding during the Primary War season (you must've been here for 2004? maybe not). WE ALL rally round after the convention.

Thus I find your OP preachy and bit condescending...and while I'm sending in grades to the Registrar's Office: C+

Have a good holiday.

[bvar22]

58. ..!..

[saracat]

59. Should that day befall us, I will not support her.I just couldn't .I see little

difference between supporting HRC and a Repug.I would try to vote for her but may write is a "real" Democrat.

[superkia]

60. We need to make sure we elect the peoples candidate and...

we wont have to ask these "what if" questions. The way I would word the question would have been, what if the nominee is tied in with the corporations and has already taken part in a couple of Bilderberg meetings...what do we do? As for pointing out that someone else is the problem, if we would all spend less time on posts like this with no educational value to help the process, maybe we would get it right and there would be no issue. To me, Clinton is probably the worst candidate to nominate due to the amount of people in the country that don't believe in her, thats without pointing out some of the major flaws with her and just sticking to the most basic issue. I would think that the people that refuse to look at the facts and still go with a candidate with some major flaws instead of supporting the best one for the people, not the corporations, those people are to blame for our country. The ones who continue to ignore the facts that are out there and continue to hoist up the candidates that the Media tell us to, they are to blame for enabling this mess.

Those people are the equivalent to the republican voters that stuck with Bush because the media told them to and because they consider themselves a republican, not an American. Its what I see around here, people have become completely brainwashed and actually believe that just a single capital letter, makes them better than the next person and it doesn't. So to those of you who keep following the medias lead like the republican voters did with Bush...look at what YOU may cause!

Are we Democrats first or are we Americans first, everyone needs to ask themselves that question before its too late.