"I know that Mr. Obama’s supporters hate to hear this, but he really is less progressive than his...

[DaLittle Kitty]

rivals on Domestic policy issues!" Paul Krugman


and inexperienced and naive as He*L, and Bought and Paid For By The Corporatists... virtually tied w/ HillBill for taking MOST Wall Street $ money of ANY Candidate from EITHER PARTY!

Just Because You Can Make A Speech About Watching Paint Dry ... That Everyone Goes Gagga Over, Does not Make You Ready to Be President.

What That Says Is That The Electorate Needs to Wake Up!

Obama Has That DEEPPP Voice... From Years of SMOKING!

...And I'm Sure that he has been listening to MLK Speeches so that he CAN REPLICATE them in tone and cadence throughout the campaign.

If You do not get this, there is nothing left to be done but GET THE LOSS OVER WITH and MOVE ON!


America's ONLY Choice IS... John Edwards:)

[Mass]

1. Paul Krugman is entitled to his opinion. As great a man as he is, it is still only that, his opinion

[Buzz Clik]

9. That was my thought. Why would we hate to hear Krugman's opinion?

We're quite capable of listening to hime and coming to our own conclusions.

[rodeodance]

17. Many have forgotten Obama's corporists style-Thanks mr. krugman.

[Mass]

18. As I said, he is entitled to his opinion and I would respectfully disagree with him.

[Sulawesi]

2. "...And I'm Sure that he has been listening to MLK Speeches so that he CAN REPLICATE them ..."

just wow.

I disagree with your post, support Obama, and if he loses the nomination will move on just fine.

[DaLittle Kitty]

6. I Meant Losing The General Election! HillBill OR Obama Will Accomplish That Nicely!

Either One.:)

[cali]

14. you prove again that you don't know very much at all about

American politics. Should I explain to you why all three of our candidates stand a good chance- though Edwards has the biggest obstacles to overcome? Nah, why bother. You're just a a flamebaiter.

[Adelante]

15. Is this where you post the pic of Obama's black and white parents? nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

3. Besides His Anti-IWR Stance He Is Quite Centrist

That's an empirical observation not a normative one...

Besides the ME I would like his supporters to point to one issue where he is to the left of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards...

[cali]

23. Sure. He had the good judgement to oppose the war.

And his record on dealing with criminal justice differs significantly from hers and is far more progressive. Hell, she read him the riot act on his liberal record in this regard.

[BeyondGeography]

42. Hillary said he's too liberal because he opposes mandatory sentencing for drug offenders

Empirical enough for you?

[Gman]

4. This goes back to the thoughts behind the

"Don't fall in love with a politician" thread yesterday. If Obama does get elected in November, there will be an awful lot of jilted lovers around.

[OHdem10]

5. If anyone looks at the Coalition Obama and the Elites (who

back him ) it is a coalition that requires a Candidat more to
the Right.

His Coalition is Upperclass more educated voters, The Entire Black
Community and his movement youth. Very similar to GOP and Christian
Coalition. They just use Black Community as GOP uses Christan Coalition.

The problem is they must get every black vote. This puts stress
on Supporters to pull the black into Obama Camp. Who says the
fighting will stop??

[Eurobabe]

7. this post is bullshit

as is your Kucinich bashing. Be gone.

[DaLittle Kitty]

21. Would You Happen To Be Acquainted W/ Dennis? Well I am and I believe I have A Clear

perspective on his objectives some of which have been further substantiated by other DU'ers.

Again the Truth and Reality sometimes result in Cognitive Dissonance. Sorry but I rely more on facts than "hype," something which has been parceled out in far toooooooo large doses by The Corporatist Media in INFLATING the two "leading" candidates at the expense of, and in opposition to other more principled and progressive candidates e.g., John Edwards.

Dennis is a False Progressive, placed where he is to herd the progressives into one camp where they can be held at bay until the progressive flames are extinguished and then herded over to the "selected" CENTRIST Corporate Friendly Candidate. Thanks:)

[Mass]

"Dennis is a False Progressive, placed where he is to herd the progressives into one camp"

Any other pearls of wisdom like this one? :rofl:

Because, obviously, there are only 2 to 3 % of progressives in this country!!!

[cali]

25. do you really think anyone believes you?

Dennis is a false progressive? What a pile of crap. You illustrate every time you post that you have no grasp of... anything.

[Adelante]

58. "Dennis is a False Progressive"

BWAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA :rofl:

You're the funniest Edwards supporter evah!

[AlertLurker]

62. "Truth and Reality?" "Cognitive Dissonance?" You really have no clue:

Truth:

“Unlike other candidates, I am not funded by those corporate interests. I owe them no loyalty, and they have no influence over me or my policies.”---Dennis Kucinich

Reality:

"Resolved, That Richard B. Cheney, Vice President of the United States, is impeached for high crimes and misdemeanors, and that the following articles of impeachment be exhibited to the United States Senate..."---Dennis Kucinich

Cognitive Dissonance:

John Edwards' ties to Fortress Investments:
--$479,512 in 2006 for part-time work
--About half of his net worth at the time <$16 million> invested in Fortress' hedge funds
--Fortress employees contributed more than $150,000 to Edwards' presidential campaign in the first six months of this year.

How much money did Johhnie-boy actually make ($4 million? $5 million?) off the backs of those foreclosed upon and later evicted by predatory subprime lenders leveraged by Fortress?

[alcibiades_mystery]

8. Flamebaiting stupidity

Ignore this nonsense post.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

11. The OP Is Given To Hyperbole

But in her hyperbole she raises an interesting question, ergo:

Besides the ME I would like his supporters to point to one issue where he is to the left of Hillary Clinton and John Edwards...

[GalleryGod]

20. This IS BAD in the General Election, DSB?

Sorry...classes convened yesterday (Spring Semester) and I'm in my "Socratic Mode".:hangover:

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge:donut: ,looking for the Hazelnut Coffee thieves!
G.G.:shrug:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

22. Ha

My point is that Senator Obama is not more progressive than Hillary Clinton or John Edwards, nothing more, nothing less...

[GalleryGod]

38. In that case...Well,PUT!

that's what I'd call an "oblique" reference, which leads to a future-look discussion.:yourock:

[EV_Ares]

10. I second the post is bullshit. This post is nothing more than flamebaiting and

I imagine you might have a lot of experience in watching paint dry and possibly may have sniffed some fumes in the process the way your post reads.

[DaLittle Kitty]

13. Seems ObamaBama Fans Are Refractory To The Facts as Well As Non-Pragmatic~!

Truth is always a problem as is reality which WILL come home to roost in the general election... If Corporatist Media "Pumped" Candidate s are allowed to prevail! :)

[EV_Ares]

24. Well what you said there about "truth is always a problem as is reality" and

will come home to roost in the general election if the corporate media is allowed to prevail. I agree with that completely. Truth is always hard for us all to swallow at times but you should always face truth head on and heed to truth and it will help you in the end. Know your strengths and know your weaknesses as well and you will prevail.

[DaLittle Kitty]

27. I Wish Others Could Be As Thoughtful As You Demonstrate Here! Thank You!

:)

[cali]

26. You don't get it. Obama supporters, Edwards supporters,Clinton

supporters and others are all rebuking your flamebait.

[VarnettaTuckpocket]

28. If elected, Obama will replace Hillary as the new symbol of the centrist Dem establishment

The same people who obsessively hate Hillary now, will hate Obama once he proves himself to be just as much of a corporate sellout as they think Hillary is. I wouldn't even care if it really was just a matter of the same shit in a different can, but as Krugman points out, Obama is worse shit in a different can. But the Obama cultists are too blind to see it. I really don't think they care that much about policy anyway. He's more like an American Idol contestant to most of them.

[DaLittle Kitty]

30. WOW! Very Well Described, The Cultists? Obama HAS Already Proven Himself A Corporatist IF

Only "The Cultists" would remove their Rose Tinted glasses... so that they might see and face the Truth.:crazy::eyes::think:

[cali]

32. *snicker*

coming from you, that's most amusing. You act like a teenager besotted by a rock star re Edwards.

I'm quite realistic about my candidate, thank you very much. I know he's flawed, but I'm also informed about his history and his policies.

Oh, and people who think they have a corner on THE TRUTH? They generally don't get it at all, and they haven't any understanding of why that's such a dangerous claim.

[DaLittle Kitty]

45. Exactly My Point About "The Cult" Surrounding Sen'or Obama. Please Define Your Objective

Rational for Supporting Obama?

Likely you cannot as none of hte other cult members are willing or able to respond appropriately to "The Substance" question either.:)

[DaLittle Kitty]

46. I Meant "Rationale" for Supporting Obama... Thanks!

[cali]

54. what no response

to my answer? You have the nerve to call me a cultinst when you pant like a wittle teeny bopper over Edwards? You've yet to say anything remotely insightful about why you support him. Maybe it's just cuz da wittle kitty thinks he's cute. That's about all I get from you.

[DaLittle Kitty]

61. See Below...

:)

[cali]

50. I've done it a dozen times previously. Here's the synopsis.

I admire his decision upon graduation from Columbia to forego the money path and work istead as a community organizer in the inner city. I admire his choice to practice civil rights law in the same community upon graduating magna cum laude from Harvard.

His record in the Illinois Senate is one of an effective progressive. He wrote, sponsored and passed legislation- against strong odds- to make it mandatory to video tape police interrogations of suspects. Illinois was the first state in the country to pass such legislation. He helped pass a strong anti-lobbying law. He worked on strong anti-poverty legislation.

In the Senate he has worked on ethics, lobbying reform and gov't transparency, and gotten it passed. He's made mistakes for sure. Although he's voted for every piece of legislation that mandates getting out of Iraq and in 2006 introduced his own legislation to that effect, he has ultimately also voted to fund the war that YOUR candidate co-sponsored and backed bushco on.

Despite the McClurkin debacle he supports civil unions on a Federal level. He has a good environmental record.

Now tell me, with as much cogency as you can scrape up, why you support Edwards. And none of your usual broad banalities. I want specifics.

[cali]

56. *crickets* why am I not surprised that you're unable to

respond?

[DaLittle Kitty]

60. Real Plan To Exit Iraq, Path To Single Payer Healthcare, Openly Opposes Corporatists

No $ Taken From Corporate lobbyists, Straight Talk, SUBSTANCE... Mature and able to stay above the "pissing match" But Most of all John Edwards Character! This IS NOT an all encompassing list... Oh... and his open support for AMERICAN LABOR and expansion of Labor Organizing... Oh and his unique and leading stance on Eliminating the use of DRE/Touchscreen voting machines... Is That a Good Start!:) :kick:

[cali]

63. nope. not very good at all.

Obama has't taken any $ from lobbyists in his campaign either.

Straight talk is simply a non-responsive bromide.
Substance is exactly the same thing.
Mature? He's all of 8 years older than Obama, and Obama's path clearly indicates maturity. So what?
able to stay above? Not hardly. He allied himself with Obama on the MLK thing.
The candidates all support labor.
JE has done nothing on touchscreen voting and barely mentioned it.

Nope. Try doing what I did and referencing specific policy plans and past achievements in office.

[GalleryGod]

35. Since you've only been with DU for 8 Weeks-here's some Truth(see photos)

That little piece of jewelry on the end of the pretty blue ribbon ?
That's the CMH. If you don't know just WHAT those three letters stand for,then,stay in school.

This is my only trip to the East Room.And,yes, that is "W", because he is the CINC. The grey haired fellow on the left, in the dress blues of the 1st/7th AIR CAVALRY was and is braver by himself, than all the people on this horse shiite web page combined.

A little perspective in life,always helps, DaLittle Kitty,and before you blithely dictate what WILL happen...enjoy life,first.

[DaLittle Kitty]

44. I Am In Health Care So I HAVE PLENTY OF PERSPECTIVE MY FRIEND. I appreciate Your Service and have

Provided Care to Many Veterans and have worked to improve veterans health care and benefits. BTW, I am long out of school and will not mention the details of my service to my country, state and community. Thank you again for your service Sir. you have every right to be proud and likewise your family and friends as well. :patriot:

[GalleryGod]

48. I can empathize,therefore; Having been married to an L&D nurse for 15 years

who now holds the office of Vice President of Nursing at her Hospital. NURSES,along with VETS are the BEST of friends. Without the NURSES of the "Five & Dime" (510th at China Beach) and the heros like Bruce Crandall, who medi-vaced my guys out of Hot LZ's we'd have NO Reunions to attend.

Here's my gal:

[DaLittle Kitty]

49. Hey Nice Pic The Other Pics DID NOT Come Through... Very Nice!

Way to Go! :)

[OHdem10]

12. There are times the truth hurts.

[GalleryGod]

16. ALERT! J.A.F.A.

Oh, I GET it..and since my "American Presidency" seminar convened yesterday,I'll hand out my VERY FIRST grade: DaLittle Kitty? "F" :puke:

See you in "Boot Hill" real soon with the rest of the Tomb Stoners :rofl:

[AX10]

19. Should Obama succeed to the Presidency...

there will be MANY disappointed when they see how centerist he is.

[OHdem10]

31. All the surveys show; Hilary's support and Edwards support

is Workng class Middle Class

Obama suuport Upper Class More Educated. They have no
problem with Centrist. They are very small voting block. Needs
all black voters and his youth movement to win and make
party even more centrist.

[AX10]

37. That is how I know Obama is going to most likely be a failure.

He has the support of economically affluent liberals who are all about the fads and popular issues.
Obama makes them feel good. Hillary and Edwards are the candidates of the working/middle classes.
As you said, he needs the black vote if he wants a chance at the nomination. Also, he is depending on the youth vote, which is highly unreliable, as New Hampshire showed us.

McGovern and Mondale has the same group of people supporting them(Upper Class More Educated). They lost.

[GalleryGod]

39. Sure...36 out of 48 of my "American Presidency" spring semester seminar

students are "affluent liberals". NOT.

[DaLittle Kitty]

41. Edwardsd IS For Middle ClassNOT Hillary. Do Not Allow Hillary to Confuse You That She Is

Somehow like Edwards? Never, She and Obama Lead in Wall Street $Money$ Among ALL Candidates from EITHER party!

[denem]

67. McGovern was not a centerist.

To say the least. Mondale was DEM Establishment - and a truly awful candidate. The electorate did not want a return to the Carter economy- it set up the whole 'morning in America' meme. The affluent liberals wanted Hart.

[GalleryGod]

34. First See Sig line; 2nd: Counteract Sig line by actually going OUT and WORKING

for the CLINTON Campaign ! They have the MOST BY FAR local HQ's in the Country! You don't think they burned that first $100 mil on bumper stickers!

MY ONLY TRIP TO THE WHITE HOUSE, 07Feb07, the EAST ROOM. (Clinton's never invited me.)


Col. Bruce "Snakeshit" Crandall, receives the CMH only 42 years later.

[JTFrog]

29. Hey Johnny Depp may be a smoker, but I still love his voice!

:smoke: :smoke: :smoke: :smoke:

:shrug:

[ShadesOfGrey]

33. OMG! He smokes!

Please stop with the flame bait. I don't think JE would approve of petty attacks like this on other dems.

[Sparkly]

36. Oh, c'mon.

This isn't helping any of them.

On domestic policy, the top three are virtually identical.

[DaLittle Kitty]

47. You Drank The koolaide! That Is What HillBill and Obama Camps Want you to Believe. So Sad!

:cry:

[GalleryGod]

55. Nah, Here's the only Kool Aid in 'Murica THIS year!

Hey! Over there! Keira Knightley in a bikini!!!!!!!!!!!!!:wtf:

[Sparkly]

66. No actually, I read their policy positions and proposals.

Have you?

[LWolf]

40. That's mostly true.

I agree with the assessment of Obama.

This part, though, is not accurate:

"America's ONLY Choice IS... John Edwards"

Obviously, Edwards is one choice. For those who want progressive policy and no corporate strings attached, Kucinich is an obvious choice, as well.

I understand the reasons why Kucinich supporters and Edwards supporters might be at odds, facing two seemingly stronger opponents. I think, though, that we have similar goals and ought to be working together. A good start would be to acknowledge us, and our candidate.

[DaLittle Kitty]

43. Dennis SHOULD Be Supporting Edwards Rather Than Trying To tear Him Down

That IS The Problem. Edwards IS A Better Messenger for Progressive Policy positions... and If Dennis would just think for a second about the Big Picture He Might be able to assist John in getting elected and be able to help implement progressive policy in an Edwards Administration. Simple:)

[elias7]

69. you see the Big picture better than Kucinich?

Instead of assuming he is not thinking, and is therefore not seeing the glory of Edwards' progressivism, perhaps there are reasons for it.

[LWolf]

73. It's hard to support a candidate that you are running against, lol.

I don't agree with his call to support Obama. I don't know too many DK supporters who would support Obama. Most would put Edwards second, and many have already switched to Edwards as "more electable."

Me? He's got my support anytime he's on my ballot...he's earned it. If he's NOT on the ballot, Edwards will get my vote. If the whole thing isn't over by the time they all limp into town for my primary on May 20th.

[Renew Deal]

51. You attack Obama and then ask for people to vote for someone who doesn't believe the words he speaks

Do you actually know anything about Edwards? Have you ever read his statement before he voted for the IWR? In the 2008 election, Edwards has taken all the leftist positions he could think of. Then fools, suckers, and the ill informed have followed along. So you have no right to criticize if you're pushing Edwards.

And if Edwards is so electable, why does he never win election?

[redqueen]

57. "fools, suckers, and the ill informed have followed along"

Nice.

I'm no fan of the OP's idiotic tactics... but this is no better. You're attacking supporters.

Well done.

[Connie_Corleone]

52. Sorry, but Obama's views line up with mine.

Some of us actually know his record and researched his policy positions.

Surely, you can come up with a more thought out post to support your candidate without sounding like a 4 yr. old.

[Clarkansas]

53. I disagree 100%.

You and your post suck.

[redqueen]

59. I wish you supported someone else.

You're rude as hell, and most of your posts make no sense at all.

[Adelante]

64. Progressive Ratings

VoteSmart

AFL-CIO
Clinton 93% Edwards 100%
Obama 93% McCain 7%

ALLIANCE FOR RETIRED AMERICANS
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 20%

AMERICAN CIVIL LIBERTIES UNION
Clinton 83% Edwards 60%
Obama 83% McCain 33%

AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE UNION
Clinton 8% Edwards 13%
Obama 8% McCain 65%

AMERICAN WILDERNESS COALTION
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 16%

AMERICANS FOR DEMOCRATIC ACTION
Clinton 95% Edwards 65%
Obama 95% McCain 16%

AMERICANS FOR PROSPERITY
Clinton 0%
McCain 100%

AMERICAN PUBLIC HEALTH ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 40%

AMERICAN NURSES ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 20%

AMERICANS FOR THE SEPARATION OF CHURCH & STATE
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 33%

AM. SOCIETY FOR PREVENTION OF CRUELTY TO ANIMALS
Clinton 100% Edwards 60%
McCain 20%

ANIMAL HUMANE SOCIETY OF U.S.
Clinton 100% Edwards 60%
Obama 60% McCain 40%

BRADY CAMPAIGN TO PREVENT GUN VIOLENCE
Clinton 100% Edwards 77%
McCain 14%

CHILDREN’S DEFENSE FUND
Clinton 100% Edwards 91%
Obama 100% McCain 10%

CITIZENS FOR GLOBAL SOLUTIONS
Clinton A+ Edwards 53%
Obama A+ McCain B+

DEFENDERS OF WILDLIFE
Clinton 100%
Obama 100% McCain 40%

DISABLED AMERICAN VETERANS
Clinton 80% Edwards 66%
Obama 80% McCain 20%

LEAGUE OF CONSERVATION VOTERS
Clinton 95% Edwards 37%
Obama 100% McCain 29%

NAACP
Clinton 96% Edwards 94%
Obama 100% McCain 7%

NARAL PRO CHOICE:
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL ORGANIZATION OF WOMEN
Clinton 96%
Obama 91% McCain 13%

NATIONAL EDUCATION ASSOCIATION
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL FARMERS UNION
Clinton 83% Edwards 80%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

NATIONAL RIGHT TO LIFE
Clinton 0% Edwards 0%
Obama 0% McCain 75%

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION
Clinton F
McCain C+

NATIONAL COMMITTEE FOR A MORE EFFECTIVE CONGRESS
Clinton 95% Edwards 95%
Obama 95% McCain 20%

NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF SOCIAL WORKERS
Clinton 100% Edwards 88%
Obama 100% McCain 60%

PLANNED PARENTHOOD:
Clinton 100% Edwards 100%
Obama 100% McCain 0%

UNITED AUTO WORKERS
Clinton 93% Edwards 75%
Obama 85% McCain 9%

Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) (from 2001-2006)

Obama 97.5
Clinton 95.8
Dodd 94.1
Biden 91.6
Edwards 82.5

National Journal

Obama 84.3
Dodd 79.2
Clinton 78.8
Biden 76.8
Edwards 75.7

Progressive Punch (lifetime)

Clinton 92%
Obama 90%
Dodd 87%
Biden 84%

http://www.vote-smart.org/
http://www.adaction.org/votingrecords.htm
http://nationaljournal.com/voteratings/pdf/06democrats.pdf
http://www.progressivepunch.org/


Note: Another DUer put together the large list. I will look for the thread link.

And.. here it is:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=4044288

[cali]

65. You're Canadian, right?

And you can't vote here, correct? If so, that makes me very happy.

:hi:

[WillTheGoober]

68. I'm sorry to break the news to you ...

But Edwards is done.

We can all pretend and it's nice to live in a liberal bubble sometimes I know -- but John Kerry didn't even endorse Edwards; his own running mate. If there was a nail in the coffin, that was it.

John Edwards is in a field with the potential first woman and potential first black man to ever take Presidential office. He is up against two rock stars in politics. He hasn't got a chance.

Dream on ... dream on. :)

W.

[denem]

70. Wow, you worked it out

did it take you long? :sarcasm:

[WillTheGoober]

71. I'm slow sometimes ...

;-)

[Barack_America]

72. Got any facts to back that up?

Or in you in the habit of just believing everything you read?