EVERY pundit on yesterday's Hardball said Dean will be nominee

[exclark4dean]

And even rightwing spin pollster Frand Putz said Dean COULD win.

It's very sad that a rightwing wacko like Putz turns out to be less biased, and more suportive of the leading Democratic candidate than the Dean naysayers here on DU.

Go Dean Go !

[Patriot_Spear]

1. I agree: I'll never understand those who take nominee advice from repukes

'Dean can't win'? Puhlease.

[Hep]

2. Doom and Gloom

is the new Macarena.

[Name removed]

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[Loren645]

65. What a lovely sentiment sfecap.

Happy new year to you too!

[wndycty]

4. Your comment. . .

"It's very sad that a rightwing wacko like Putz turns out to be less biased, and more suportive of the leading Democratic candidate than the Dean naysayers here on DU."

Is laughable. Do you actually think Lutz supports Dean? If you think he supports the leading Democratic candidate, lets see who supports the eventual nominee be it Dean, Clark, Kerry, etc., Lutz or the very DU'ers you seek to bash with this post?

[JNelson6563]

9. I didn't see one word about "support"

What makes you think the poster feels Luntz "supports" Dean?

Julie

[wndycty]

12. Does supportive mean support????

"It's very sad that a rightwing wacko like Putz turns out to be less biased, and more suportive of the leading Democratic candidate than the Dean naysayers here on DU."

[JNelson6563]

27. I doubt he is supportive

but he's realistic. ;-)

Julie

[wndycty]

31. Well my post was a reply to the original poster who said supportive. . .

. . .and the original poster repeated the assertion later in this same thread. So you take issue with my position but the fact remains a challenged the original poster based upon what he said, not what I thought he said, but what he said.

[exclark4dean]

33. I should have written

"supportive of Deans chance to win"

Quit splitting hairs.

[wndycty]

Hey I am not the one splitting hairs. . .

. . .someone challenged me on my response to your post. They might be the one splitting hairs not me. But I ask you again. . .who will be supportive of the eventual Democratic nominee Lutz or the very Duers you seek to bash. . .I pray for an answer.

[exclark4dean]

37. I lack a crystal ball

[wndycty]

38. So you doubt that the DUers you bashed will support the Dem nominee?

And you think that Lutz might?

[exclark4dean]

46. i didn't bash anybody

The fact remains that anybody who says Dean can win, is being more supportive of Dean's chances to win against Bush than those who say he can't win.

I predict most of the anti Dean people here will vote for Dean if he is the nominee. I wonder what those who are REALLY convinced Dean can't win against Bush will do.

If they are 100% convinced Dean can't win, like they argue here, will they stay home ? Write in their candidate ? Vote Bush to insure the defeat they believe in ?

[wndycty]

49. Define anti-Dean. . .

. . .vs. pro someone else.

[exclark4dean]

52. Those who say Dean can't win

and ONLY their candidate can win.

I think Dean, Clark, Kerry, Gebhart and maybe Edwards can ALL win, if we work together. I plan on registering at least 10 new dems who will vote for the nominee in the Gen Election.

[wndycty]

54. Can any person who says Dean can't win be considered objective?

:kick:

[GalleryGod]

67. Yeah, A Proctologist, They're EXperts on the Subject.

We'll call him a "49er" if we nominate him.

"Loose Lips Sink Pol Parties".

:wtf:
GG

[Donna Zen]

62. a win is not a win

They said win the nomination, if I'm understanding what you wrote, they never said he would win against bush.

[mitchum]

60. You won this one, wndycty

I know it
you know it
any HONEST person knows it

Happy New Year,
mitchum

[wndycty]

69. Well thank you and Happy New Year!

:kick:

[exclark4dean]

18. By admitting Dean CAN win

He is more supportive of Dean than the Dems here who say there's NO WAY Dean can win.

How do I change my user name ? Too many people here can't 'deal' with mine. Apparently defections aren't allowed from Batallion Clark ! I fear Im going tol be sent to GITMO !

[wndycty]

19. Keep the username. . .

. . .if chose it keep it. But I want to know who will be more supportive of the Democratic nominee in the end. Luntz or the the DUers you bashed with the post. That is a fair question and should be easy to answer.

[HFishbine]

24. Maybe "more objective" would have been better (n/t)

[Demobrat]

5. I noticed that too.

It was as if nobody could imagine a scenario where he lost. I'm sure his opponents can, though. Hope springs eternal.

[BobbyJay]

6. Frank Luntz wants Dean because he thinks Bush will crush him.

He's messing with your head.

[WiseMen]

15. Luntz in an Republican Pollster Who has been Pushing Dean as Nominee. ?

But, regardless, Dean as the nominee is the "official story" and the best of all outcomes for the Powers That Be. Clark is not that bad
either, but there are more risks to the Repub establishment.

[BOSSHOG]

7. Who will you vote for in the General Election

if Governor Dean does not get the nomination? Putz wasn't "supportive" of Dean, he was stating the daily obvious. Interesting juxtaposition - an "exclark" chatting about Dean "naysayers."

[wndycty]

8. Exactly! See comment #4

:kick:

[Atlant]

11. Why buy worry?

> Who will you vote for in the General Election" if
> Governor Dean does not get the nomination?

As the saying goes, "Why buy worry?"

We can worry about that at the end of July if it happens
(and it won't).

Atlant

[BOSSHOG]

21. I will vote for the Democratic Nominee

I don't have to wait until July to make that decision. I don't do worry. It is a wasted emotion. Join me in a commitment to the democratic nominee regardless of who that might be. What are you worried about?

[exclark4dean]

22. Whoever the nominee is

[sandnsea]

10. Trusting the RW media

The RW media that never supports Democrats. Interesting.

[wndycty]

14. The Right Wing mean is the enemy, unless they support Dean. . .

. . .then they become very credible (sarcasm).

[Hep]

20. First of all, that isn't sarcasm. Second,

that's interesting particularly considering how often right wingers are quoted in criticism of Dean.

[wndycty]

23. So what are you trying to say. . .

. . .c'mon don't be afraid to speak up.

[Hep]

26. I'm sorry

would you mind pointing me to that which confused you in my post?

[wndycty]

32. Where have I used right wing criticism in my posts about Dean?

:kick:

[Hep]

34. Where did I claim you did anything?

And why would you think I suggested such a thing?

Twangs.

[wndycty]

40. You established a pattern of making that suggestion

:kick:

[Hep]

43. Explain

Demonstrate this pattern for me.

[WiseMen]

30. RW Criticism Boost Dean: They Know That. They Push Dean "Inevitability"

[Hep]

35. And?

Or, so?

[redqueen]

25. Hey, if it feels good it must be good, right?

Yes, we all were very distrustful of the media in general during the buildup to Iraq, but suddenly they're fair and unbiased and 'just doing their jobs'.

Sad, sad, sad.

[Hep]

28. Examples would be nice

Not that underhanded digs aren't also nice for some.

[redqueen]

47. As if many, many examples haven't already been discussed

As I said in another thread, if people haven't recognized it by now, they don't want to.

Enjoy!

[Hep]

50. My point exactly.

Everyone makes the claim, and NO ONE backs it up. The frequent response to requests for proof: If you don't already know, You don't want to know.

I missed those other threads, so please link to them. If it's so obvious to you, you won't have any trouble fining examples for me.

[redqueen]

58. I really doubt you missed those other threads, Hep

There were charts. There were statistics about how often Dean was mentioned in relation to his money / poll numbers.

There have even been examples of how Dean's major problems (his coziness with Big Energy, for one) are not being explored by major media outlets, while every trivial issue is (draft, gaffes).

Anyway, don't have time to search for the existing threads right now, but I'll be sure to start a brand new thread about it, packed with info, very soon, just for you. :D

[Hep]

17. Interesting indeed.

People who wish to criticize Dean never hesitate to use the words of right wing pundits. It's just weird who people get into bed with these days.

[SayitAintSo]

13. Dont' forget Frank Luntz has RW roots....

Don't know that I would trust his commentary entirely

[Name removed]

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[SayitAintSo]

29. I'm with you on that ....

Had several myself ... begins to make you understand the RW rant @ PC ...

[OHdem10]

36. As did all the Pundit on the Sunday Talk Shows

While they criticized some of his gaffes every last one predicted
Dean the nominee.

Let's everyone go to Buzzflash and read Mark Shield's article"Some Perspective Please" Regan made major gaffees and won two elections.
Remember George bush as a candidate--some wondered if he had a casual relationship with the English Language.

Think about it all the reasons we went to war---While Dean"s gaffes are embarasing they are not dooming. All serious commentators say he will have to do something much worse to doom himself now.

I am a Clark supporter but I am a good democrat who believes in fairness to all

[Myra]

39. Thank you "exclark4dean" for using your 36th post to underscore

Just how determined the media is to push their guy Dean over
the finish line.

Dean my be the candidate of "rightwing wackos," but he's not
my candidate. And if you were inclined to be inquisitive,
you might wonder why "rightwing wackos" are trying to force
Dean on us.

Regards,

Myra

[Hep]

44. OIC

Simply saying Dean can win is tantamount to forcing Dean on people.

Wow.

I guess that works logically if you are convinced that Dean can't win. But then, I have never seen the logic in THAT position anyway.

Whatever!

[LiberalBushFan]

41. It's not sad, it's scary

that Republicans are trying to hard to help nominate Dean. It's we've been trying to get through you peoples' skulls all along!

[Hep]

45. Again

Just saying Dean can win = trying to get him nominated?

Where does this logic come from? Please explain.

[killbotfactory]

42. Yeah, it's not like he's lieading in all the polls...

or has a broad base of support, and raising a ton of money...

Must be a conspiracy of some kind.

[John_H]

48. Of Course they Did! But remember Tweety, Lunz, et. al are no longer hoes.

According to our Dean supporter friends, they have suddenly, meraculously become objective journalists. Or have they?

hmmmmmmmmm.

[redqueen]

51. How this helps Dean

There seems to be some confusion (?!) about how exactly a bunch of corporate whore (or worse, republican) pundits saying that Dean's the man helps him.

Well, as clear as that seems to me, it obviously needs some 'splainin. SO here goes:

Remember Iraq? Remember how people had to be talked into supporting it? Who did that? Remember? It was corporate whore pundits and sunday morning talking heads and republicans. Remember?

So now, they push Dean. So all the 'democrats' who still for whatever reason are watching sunday morning crap, or reading what corporate whore pundits say, or paying attention to republicans, are hearing the same propoganda. Only now, it's not "we must invade Iraq", it's "Dean is a / the winner".

See, it's not only republicans that supported the war. Dems did too. It was the same Dems that are now thinking, 'hey that Dean, he's some guy! look at his poll numbers and his war chest!'

:eyes:

Honestly.

[Hep]

53. Here's where you fail, so help me out

Tell me and everyone else how simply saying Dean can win is an endorsement, or forcing Dean on people, or whatever it is you claim. Just explain how that works.

[redqueen]

57. Really?

You really don't see it?

See, by simply saying Iraq was a threat, or that they were violating UN sanctions, or whatever, they convinced people that wasting billions of dollars and ruining tens of thousands of lives was a good thing. They didn't have to say, "hey, let's waste billions of dollars and kill thousands and blah blah blah", they did it surreptitiously.

Similarly, with Dean, they don't come out and say "Dean's the best candidate, he's the strongest and has the best platform" to try to convince people... they do it surreptitiously, by talking about him nonstop and saying it's inevitable that he'll get the nod.

Think about it. How many people have you seen HERE ON DU saying that either we shouldn't donate money to 'lesser' candidates, or that it's wasting time and effort to support those that aren't leading? Tie that in with the media propoganda fest and ... well I hope you see where this is leading. It's not rocket science, after all.

[TexasSissy]

55. Keeping a list of those who say Dean is winner

before even one vote is cast.

It'll be interesting (and fun) to send all these people e-mails and letters with their calling of the race before votes were cast.

Thanks for the tip. I'll get a transcript of that show and add their names to the list!

[Hep]

56. Sounds like a lot of work

and a lot of time wasted gloating over your new allies when you should be out GOTV. Oh well, spend your time how you please.

[TexasSissy]

68. Political pundits who push candidates before votes are cast are not allies

[xultar]

59. WHEW!!! Glad that's over. Cancel the primaries! n/t

[cally]

61. If I oould bet on this, I would bet on

Dean. BUT, I believe Clark will pull it out and be the comeback kid.

[ErasureAcer]

63. I'm not voting for Dean

in the GE...

bad moves Dem supporters.

This guy is a liar...as seen in remarks made that distort the Kucinich and Kerry camps.

I also think his platform is very Gore-ish. Very centrist...and hardly not progressive enough.

I'm throwing my vote towards a 3rd party candidate or I'll write in Dennis' name if need be.

I don't support liars for president and neither should any of you.

[jfxgillis]

64. Well, I guess that means we need to plan for ...

... another nominee.

Pundit consensus has been consistently wrong since at least the Lewinsky Scandal.

[GalleryGod]

66. 39 Posts? Where RU From ? Lemme Guess-HQ's

:nopity:

Tell your boy to buy a shirt and tie befitting a millionaire doc-tuh and stop with the WILLY LOWMAN impersonation.

Your Man in the Faculty Lounge:hangover:
G.G.