What Senator Obama should say at the next debate to HRC when she brings up national security

[Tropics_Dude83]

"Mrs. Clinton, why did your husband sleep for 8 years while Osama Bin Laden plotted to kill thousands of Americans? Where was his plan to take down Al Qaeda. Perhaps, he was too busy massaging and trying to explain away an affair in the oval office? Why did you not advocate for a foreful retalliation to the USS Cole bombing that took place on your watch. Why did your husband respond with pinprick strikes to a fundamental threat against American survival? Why was your husband so focused on his sex life when an existential threat was gathering against America?"

If she's going to hit him on national security, say that he's a double speaker, say that he's worse than Mccain, he should do this.

It's time for Senator Obama to go hypernuclear the way she has on him.

[Kool Kitty]

1. Please tell me you're kidding about another debate.

[Tropics_Dude83]

3. There's bound to be one

I'm sure there will be more god forbid. I'm ticked. It's time to throw the kitchen sink at her.

[anonymous171]

2. Normally I would caution against the use of former RW talking points.

HOWEVER, given the Clinton has sunk even lower with her fearmongering, I would advise him to look into this line of argument. Fact check is needed though, we don't want another "shame on you" stunt.

[Tropics_Dude83]

4. The way Clinton slimed Obama

This is needed. If she had won fair and square just because people responded to her more, I'd say no way; but she won ugly. She needs to be made to PAY.

[jasmine621]

8. When did she slime Obama? This is a primary. I guess Obama never

slimed her? What next debate? I hope there are no more.

[Tropics_Dude83]

11. Being a muslim, Nafta smear, Rezco, etc.

[jasmine621]

24. They aren't slimes by Hillary. I think you want to talk to the media. nt

[jasmine621]

25. And since when is being called a Muslim a slime. Are Muslims slime to you?

Something may not be true, but that doesn't make it a slime.

[Tropics_Dude83]

5. Totally agree on fact checking

If it's factually accurate, Obama should go for it.

[RummyTheDummy]

9. Her campaign turned over a pic of Obama dressed up like Bin Laden to Drudge

There's no limit to what they will do to win this thing, even if it means taking the party down with them. But it will be interesting to watch. A once in a lifetime experience.

[MonkeyFunk]

12. That pic that was already out on the internet for a few weeks?

You have no evidence her campaign did that.

[quantass]

29. Druge confirmed it was sent in by Hilary

[MonkeyFunk]

32. No, not exactly

[Kurt_and_Hunter]

6. When will Senator Obama be agreeing to this hypothetical debate?

[WillYourVoteBCounted]

7. where'd you get the $54 Million

Hillary

[casus belli]

10. She won't want to debate anymore...

she's got the "momentum" meaning she has founf that ad hominem attacks are a really cheap way to get ahead in a campaign. Expect more of the same.

[Tarc]

13. So "hypernuclear" means recycling George's Bush's 2000 campaign platform?

That is the most pathetic thing I've ever seen posted in the DU, regurgitating the "Clinton is responsible for 9/11" innuendo.

Obamaniacs have no shame. No shame at all.

[Tropics_Dude83]

15. No HRC has no shame

Obama is not a muslim 'as far as I know." If Hillary had won this race fair and square, I'd be disappointed but not upset.

She's engaged in the worst kind of negative vicious attacks i've ever seen. Turnabout is fair play,

[Tarc]

28. So you freely admit that the "asleep at the wheel" is just a dumb rhetorical attack

rather than a legitimate criticism. Thank you, you aren't nearly as dumb as I initially assumed you were.

[taught_me_patience]

20. Clinton has no shame with her slime tactics

Time for Obama to hit back.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

30. You got that right. Game on!

[Zachstar]

23. And the voters love it.

Sorry but I no longer give a shit what you and the other Hillbots think. You decided to support her pulling the worst shit in this race and if you think you are going to get away with doing so politically then I have a bridge to sell you.

The voters love a fight! They love fear mongering! So Obama will deliver a heaping handful of Clintons past for Voters to eat.

The friendly stuff is over Hillbots! we will try this again once Obama is in the white house. Until then the FUTURE OF MY FUCKING COUNTRY IS AT STAKE. So if we have to fight back in order to prevent a scumbag such as Clinton from getting more votes from people thinking Obama is weak in the future then it is a choice we have to accept.

Get ready Hillbots! Clinton is about to be politically destroyed and she will be lucky to be on a board of a company once she is exposed for what she is.

The gloves are off Hillbots! You started this! Obama will finish it!

[Tarc]

27. Quite frankly, you and your candiate do not have the balls for this sort of thing

Obama needs to stick to "hope and change" speeches while his followers sip lattes and shuffle their iPod tunes. We already saw his campaign stumble this week in the wake of the 3am ad and the NAFTA memo mess. Obama lacks the ability to truly handle negativity, which shows just how wholly unprepared he would be in a general election.

But by the way, thanks for your complete lack of defense of the actual "asleep at the wheel while Osama attacked" meme. At least you aren't as much of a twit as the OP.

[Zachstar]

31. He has the ability he has the strength.

However, Sometimes fate does not give you a chance to be nice and happy to the people trashing you and the nation's future. Sometimes the outcome is just too important...

Obama will be strong. I say that with 100 percent certainty because if he still refuses to do so after surely the big democrats will ask him to stop the nice boy crap... I think I will be leaving the democratic party and likely politics altogether.

Let this be perfectly clear... The damage to the party could not get much worse. There is nothing to lose from Obama politically destroying Clinton by exposing what the Clinton machine really is. (BTW He needs to start calling it a Clinton machine) Ok yes he will COMPLETELY lose his political innocence yet it turns out that voters really do not care about being nice. Today we learned that America is not ready to have a clean election process. Not even after 8 years of bush and years of a congress that sells out to bush and the republicans TIME and TIME again. So either Obama fights back or he can blame someone else when McCain wins by upwards of a landslide later.

I need to get some sleep. I hope fellow Obama supporters understand that the time to play the defensive, nice guy game has ended.

[Zachstar]

14. Sounds good!

Clinton has turned this into a barfight and Obama needs to lay some BIG political punches to her. This sounds like a great first punch.

The good stuff is even further into her past.

[Tropics_Dude83]

16. Tax returns

Bring that issue up too. Why is she not releasing her tax returns?

[neoteric lefty]

17. oh yeah

exactly out of Hannity/O'Rielly/Limbaugh's/Savage's playbook book of lies. I love both candidates, and I do think that (sadly) Clinton rolled in the mud the last week or so to attack Obama, but if Obama retaliates like this, they are just helping the Repubs in Nov.

[MojoMojoMojo]

18. You sound like an ignorant Neocon Republican,Your "Change" is BS

All points are easily answered but Im too lazy tonight.
The CIA didnt know who was responsible for the Cole until after Clinton left office.

[flyarm]

19. Everything she says ..he agrees with..and didn't he say, he didn't want more debates?

hell so many things she answers first and he agrees with..you know all the tough questions..he can't agree more with her....check the transcripts..
especially about national security/Russia/etc..( check the transcript about Putin) ..and since Canada has alot of troops in Afganistan..and he lied about the meeting he had trying to fuck the american worker..with the Canadians..and he hasn't had one committe meeting about Afganistan..or Europe or Nato....

i think he should stay far far away from national security with Hillary Clinton!

fly

[BzaDem]

21. Are you kidding me?

Bill Clinton did SO MUCH MORE than Bush pre-9/11 to fight Al-Quada. He had weekly meetings with all the heads of intelligence agencies about Bin Laden and Al-Queda. Bush cancelled ALL of these (since Bill did them) and did nothing pre-9/11.

During Chris Wallace's interview on Fox with Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton completely demolished Chris about this very issue:

"WALLACE: ...but the question is why didn't you do more, connect the dots and put them out of business?
CLINTON: OK, let's talk about it. I will answer all of those things on the merits but I want to talk about the context of which this...arises. I'm being asked this on the FOX network...ABC just had a right wing conservative on the Path to 9/11 falsely claim that it was based on the 911 commission report with three things asserted against me that are directly contradicted by the 9/11 commission report. I think it's very interesting that all the conservative Republicans who now say that I didn't do enough, claimed that I was obsessed with Bin Laden. All of President Bush's neocons claimed that I was too obsessed with finding Bin Laden when they didn't have a single meeting about Bin Laden for the nine months after I left office. All the right wingers who now say that I didn't do enough said that I did too much. Same people.....

WALLACE: Do you think you did enough sir?

CLINTON: No, because I didn't get him

WALLACE: Right...

CLINTON: But at least I tried. That's the difference in me and some, including all the right wingers who are attacking me now. They ridiculed me for trying. They had eight months to try and they didn't..... I tired. So I tried and failed. When I failed I left a comprehensive anti-terror strategy and the best guy in the country, Dick Clarke... So you did FOX's bidding on this show. You did you nice little conservative hit job on me. But what I want to know.."


http://time-blog.com/real_clear_politics/2006/09/bill_clinton_and_osama_bin_lad.html

[MojoMojoMojo]

22. You better check your facts SHAME is right ,consider joining the GOP

[sandnsea]

26. I don't think that's a very good idea

Way to alienate the entire Dem Party. Clinton was doing the best he could with all the stupid wag the dog stuff.

[Beregond2]

33. Wrong!

I hope you are joking. Beating up on a woman because her husband is a dog? He'd be out of contention so fast it would make your head spin. Besides, to attack her in this way is to reinforce the fantasy that being First Lady counts as experience.

The proper lines of attack are:

Her LACK of real experience.
Her underhanded campaign tactics.
Her constant plagiarism, and hypocrisy in attacking him for same.
Her failure to read the NIE, and her attempts to spin the IWR into something benign.
Her ties to corporate donors and corrupt Washington insiders.
Her utter failure at the one thing she actually tried to do when First Lady, national health insurance, not even being able to get a hearing from fellow Democrats on it.
Her association with the DLC, and it's record of failures.

Etc, etc, etc.

There are a lot of legitimate issues for him to raise, many of which the average voter isn't even remembering. Time to remind them!