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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:50 PM Original message |
SurveyUSA: Clinton headed to blowout win in Pennsylvania |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
1. Six weeks is an ETERNITY..... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. People's opinions have hardened over that time. |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. Even Obama plans on losing PA. Remember when a memo was accidentally sent out |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. Obama supporters can help the campaign by not |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:21 PM Original message |
I agree... |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
100. Low turnout... anywhere.... |
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jenmito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #100 |
117. Yes, I think it's bad, and I think it's Hillary's fault. |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:52 PM Response to Reply #117 |
120. I disagree.... |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #20 |
32. That document said he expects a 52-47 loss..... I can live with that... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #32 |
48. That was overly optimistic. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #48 |
65. No they didn't.... they know that Philly area... which represents 40% of the |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #65 |
80. The white voters in the Philly area will go for Hillary. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. We'll just have to agree to disagree... I'd venture I know this state better than you... but... |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #6 |
73. Peggy Noonan? |
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Bill McBlueState (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
2. How do you think things might change over six weeks? n/t |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. Obama MAY cut that lead in half. Maybe. |
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Dems Will Win (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:56 PM Original message |
The Spitzer Scandal will dredge up Monica, Paula, Gennifer, Eleanor, Lisa and Belinda |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
19. That's really more wishful thinking than clear thinking. |
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mtnester (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
45. That was one HELL of a leap |
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anamandujano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
107. Glad all the Obamatrons are happy about seeing Dems smeared again and again on TV. |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #2 |
7. Well after he wins tonight and adds another state and yet MORE delgates.. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
3. 6 weeks is still a lot of time for Obama to come back, though. |
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gabeana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:53 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is great |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #5 |
14. As long as Obama supporters get smart and stop talking |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
8. I remember the TX and OH polls two weeks prior to the vote and HRC led in Ohio by 18 and TX by 14 |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. He won't be able to play the race card there |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #10 |
17. Do you understand that this is a bigoted remark? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #17 |
59. This is getting tiresome |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #59 |
105. So you don't get that what you said was bigoted? |
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salbi (195 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Obama playing the race card???? |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #22 |
63. Obama has a history |
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Nedsdag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
90. Have you lost your f--king mind? |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #63 |
104. Good One |
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bowens43 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #10 |
36. Wow. What an inceredibly asinine post. |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
40. It's Hillary's team playing the race card and also lying about her past positive comments on NAFTA |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 PM Original message |
Obama's NAFTA "disinformation" was discredited |
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movonne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #10 |
42. Don't be hateful... |
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susankh4 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #10 |
116. I agree.... the economy and jobs.... |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
9. A win is a win and the Dem candidate must win it in the GE, too |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #9 |
46. And so far Obama has won more than twice as many contests as Hillary |
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theboss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
11. There is simply no way he posts unde 40 percent |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
12. Obama knocked 10 points off a solid Clinton lead in Ohio... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:58 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. He had plenty of time. Rust belt, uneducated Democrats |
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Robbins (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
41. Pennsylvnia |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
13. 55%? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. 55-36. 9% undecided. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
34. If she gets 58% she'll narrow the gap by 26 delegates |
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book_worm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #34 |
51. It will not be a blowout in PA |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #34 |
82. Obama will only add one delegate tonight. |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #82 |
111. That sucks |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
15. Not surprising. PA, like OH, is full of low educated white folks that flock to HRC |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #15 |
24. And how long would the inverse argument about Obama supporters last on here? |
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Independent-Voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #24 |
38. Huh? Educated voters that actually read/research their candidates are a bad thing? |
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XemaSab (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #24 |
49. That we're all uneducated latte liberals? |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #15 |
106. You know, not every educated white person is for Obama. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
21. Dumb headline |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. Yes, we learned that Appalachian and rust belt |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
31. And Obama lost Ohio, which is a tougher state than PA |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #31 |
43. OH vs. PA: |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #43 |
62. They're also better off and better educated |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #62 |
77. The article you linked to supports my argument. |
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BeyondGeography (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
87. Ohio is ranked 40th in the country in average years of education, Pennsylvania 25th |
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Zachstar (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #43 |
109. It will be more or less like Ohio if they voted tommorow... |
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RiverStone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #21 |
39. Agree- share a little optimism! |
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thewiseguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
23. Since when did you become an Obama supporter? |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
26. Since this time last year. |
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malik flavors (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
25. She has to release her tax returns on the 15th. Game over after that, |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #25 |
108. Dream On |
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dbonds (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
27. In TX it took 2 weeks to go from 20 points down to a win for Obama. |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #27 |
33. PA isn't TX. It's like Ohio, except a lot less friendly to Obama. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. I disagree.... Ohio doesn't have a Philadelphia that will go 80-20 for Obama with HUGE turnout... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #44 |
60. Ohio had Cleveland, Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. Not true.... Cleveland and Cincy *COMBINED* have less than Philly.... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #69 |
83. What about Columbus? n/t |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. Columbus was strong for Obama because it is a college town... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Obama lost white Democrats 70-27 in OH. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #96 |
102. According to Diebold............ |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
112. That was the exit poll. |
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Zynx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #27 |
67. There's a lot of myth in this: |
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high density (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
28. 20 pts down... He can close that |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
70. I agree. I think when we've seen Sen.Clinton ahead in polls earlier |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
35. Pennsylvania has a large KKK base. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #35 |
47. Closed primary and those folks are registered Republicans.... |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. I disagree. I think there are Dems there who "relate" to the KKK. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. Republican registrations in central PA are three times as high as Democratic registrations... |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. If you assume all Dems in those sections are not KKK-friendly, you are mistaken. |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #66 |
74. You're right... THERE JUST AREN'T MANY DEMS THERE.... |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #53 |
99. I would think that there are few Democrats in the PA "T". That's the |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. Lots of racist white Democrats. They voted for Hillary |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #54 |
81. With all due respect... Please pay attention to this... |
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AlinPA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #81 |
103. This is a good point. (Your post last week had a good evaluation of PA voters). |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
37. How can Obama lose by 19 points now and still win this state in November? |
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scheming daemons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. Losing to Hillary is not the same as losing to McCain.... |
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BzaDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #57 |
79. I know it's not the same; it certainly isn't dispositive. |
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NJSecularist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
50. Hillary must be proud to build her base around racist whites |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
52. Even if It is a Blowout in Pennsylvania... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. That's the spin we need! n/t |
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SeaLyons (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #52 |
114. Now Hear This |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
55. Your heading seems more pro Hillary, than pro Obama |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #55 |
58. It's all about setting expectations properly. |
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VolcanoJen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #58 |
101. I don't really know a thing about Pennsylvania... |
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geek tragedy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #101 |
110. Article for your reading: |
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catgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 03:02 PM Response to Reply #58 |
124. Well there's plenty of time for Obama to compete for votes |
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JorgeTheGood (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
64. 6 more weeks of the Rezko trial ... |
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mckara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
71. What Could Happen? |
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JorgeTheGood (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #71 |
93. how do you (or anyone) know that he was not involved? |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #64 |
72. About as cocky and confident as the Clinton supporters are that no Bill or HIllary scandals will pop |
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SoonerPride (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #64 |
75. 6 more weeks of the Spitzer scandal |
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JorgeTheGood (736 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #75 |
95. wrong -- you go to |
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papau (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
68. Obama loses PA, then FL & Mich means he can't win must win states |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
76. Very true, those are crucial states for the GE |
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skipos (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #76 |
98. What do you think of the number of states that Obama outperforms Hillary |
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OzarkDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 03:21 PM Response to Reply #98 |
125. We had a discussion about that the other day |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #68 |
78. False spin. I understand why you need to try though. n/t |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
86. Use your intellect for good, not evil. |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #68 |
88. Obama will win Michigan in a revote. |
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writes3000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #88 |
91. Agree. n/t |
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MadBadger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
85. That is the highest the lead will be. |
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thevoiceofreason (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
92. I like this as a good standard from a fairly reputable pollster |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
94. Hillary is expected to win there. That is why they keep mentioning it |
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truebrit71 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:28 PM Response to Reply #94 |
97. ..plus if he closes the gap she can claim that she "came from behind to win it" again.... |
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Az_lefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
113. no she isn't...she'll have to answer for her missing tax returns before that |
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nlb (38 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
115. does it matter ? |
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9119495 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
118. Please Obama...don't spend all of our money in PA... |
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texshelters (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:51 PM Response to Original message |
119. Other Polls and results |
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AnarchoFreeThinker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
121. check out that link's breakdown....it's not bad for O |
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BlueIdaho (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 02:59 PM Response to Original message |
122. I suspect... |
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RamboLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Mar-11-08 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
123. I'm from PA - I don't know that he will win but he will close the gap |
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