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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:44 PM Original message |
Hillary today-"Dem. nominee may not be legitimate without FL and MI." |
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phrigndumass
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
1. When/where did she say that? |
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bicentennial_baby
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
4. it was just reported on MSNBC |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. Jinx! You owe me a pizza! |
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bicentennial_baby
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Hehe.... |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
25. ... |
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phrigndumass
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. Unbelievable flip-flop. This might be the flip-floppiest of them all. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
23. Especially when she NOW says it would be un-American not to have those votes count. |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
121. Listen and learn---about democracy. Its a good thing |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #121 |
134. Listen to your candidate. Wait-don't-or you'll be more confused than you are now. |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #134 |
141. Here is the secret: They are not obsessed with the past. This is NOW. They know who cares. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #141 |
152. You're delusional. And so is she. |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:18 PM Response to Reply #152 |
164. He who laughs last laughs best-- you are rolling in laughter now. But the game is not over. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 05:33 PM Response to Reply #164 |
174. And I'm sure Obama will be laughing last. |
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roguevalley
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:47 PM Response to Reply #134 |
171. apparently she gets a pass on every dirty thing she does. it must |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 05:35 PM Response to Reply #171 |
175. Yup. If her name wasn't "Clinton" she'd have been WAYYY out by now. |
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dchill
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Fri Mar-21-08 01:15 PM Response to Reply #175 |
180. She would never have gotten "in"... |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. It was just reported on MSNBC. n/t |
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rox63
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #1 |
10. October of 2007, I believe |
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bicentennial_baby
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
2. yeah, I just heard that.... |
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book_worm
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:45 PM Response to Original message |
3. She's like Nixon she speaks out of both sides of her mouth and lies out of both sides. |
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EFerrari
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #3 |
29. She should join the circus. They need contortionists there. |
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Cha
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #3 |
31. My son said she's like |
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truebrit71
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
81. ROFL!!!! Smart kid!!! |
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Mme. Defarge
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
108. Separated at birth -- n/t |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
5. Why is Obama against suffrage? eom |
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scheming daemons
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Does Hillary's WORD mean anything? eom |
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Cha
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #11 |
36. Not a thing..you can take hilary's "word" |
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Tellurian
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
87. It's all about RULES! |
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dionysus
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #87 |
114. huffing paint thinner is bad.... i mean seriously... |
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Tellurian
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
129. yes, when will you learn? |
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dionysus
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #129 |
150. here you go |
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EFerrari
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #5 |
19. Flog it but it's your wasted time. We know better. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. This is so basic and he is acting so Republican. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #34 |
38. It IS basic: "It's clear this election they're having is not going to count for anything." |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #38 |
53. What a stupid point you are flogging. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #53 |
71. Can't deal with her flip-flop of necessity? She doesn't care about "democracy." She cares |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Your lack of understanding of a basic American and Democratic principal is sad. n/t |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Um, then so is Hillary's since she agreed with my understanding...until she lost her lead. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Even you surely must know you are working off a flawed premise. eom |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. no, she does not as she has been slaming her crap for weeks now. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #90 |
98. I understand exuberance but there really is a limit. eom |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #98 |
105. not for this poster |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #105 |
137. Deleted message |
rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:30 PM Response to Reply #137 |
145. "idiots"--Personal attacks and name-calling is not allowed. |
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dionysus
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #145 |
151. but the statement is 100% factual. go along and cry to the mods now |
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musicblind
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Fri Mar-21-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #151 |
183. hmm. dunno. looks ilke it worked. the post got deleted. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:41 PM Response to Reply #145 |
155. Then go "tell" on me. I'll show the mods all the insults and name-calling you've done to me. |
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truebrit71
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #53 |
82. "Win at any cost." Project much? That is EXACTLY the HRC mantra... |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:27 PM Original message |
In August, she signed the pledge which explicitly stated those states delegates would be stripped. |
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MonkeyFunk
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:32 PM Response to Original message |
147. Where in the pledge did it say that? |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #147 |
148. In the part left out of your quote, natch. |
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MonkeyFunk
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #148 |
161. That's entirely made up |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:08 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. Wow... that'd be pretty bold, to just make stuff up. |
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MonkeyFunk
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:22 PM Response to Reply #163 |
165. The link works fine for me |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:31 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Actually I did find this in a google search |
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Usrename
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:30 PM Response to Reply #53 |
106. Don't worry too much, Michigan will get a chance to caucus. |
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EFerrari
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:55 PM Response to Reply #34 |
41. No. Hillary is the one trying to manipulate her way into a nomination |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #5 |
26. AND WHO COULD HAVE IMAGINED--his fans are also! |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:52 PM Response to Reply #26 |
32. AND WHO COULD HAVE IMAGINED-her fans are for ignoring the rules also! |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #32 |
54. The voters know she cares---they also know BO is stepping on them. Who they gonna vote for? |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #54 |
72. HAHAHAHAHA!!! The voters know she's DESPERATE! Obama wants to follow the rules. |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #72 |
101. you know she was in MI yesterday. she had a big crowd. They know she cares. |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
104. Have you heard anyone talking about the negative aspect |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:27 PM Response to Reply #101 |
140. Yup, she was there showing her desperation. It got negative coverage as her hypocrisy |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:51 PM Response to Reply #5 |
27. Why is Hillary against following the rules? n/t |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
39. Are corporate rules more important than suffrage for 10% of our population? |
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wileedog
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #39 |
47. The Democratic Party is a corporation now? |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:03 PM Response to Reply #47 |
55. Yes it is and the CEO is an Obama supporter. eom |
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wileedog
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:07 PM Response to Reply #55 |
63. So to Hillary is this |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #63 |
69. Nothing left wing about Obama - he is too conservative for me. eom |
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Rosa Luxemburg
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Original message |
Ms Hillary, you are not in charge of the Democratic Party! |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
117. Too bad Howard Dean weak- |
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wileedog
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. But they will be clearly legitimate if picked by Superdelegates over the vote |
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Mme. Defarge
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:34 PM Response to Reply #7 |
111. At least she has hope in something -- n/t |
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sudopod
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
8. Fuck this. |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:53 PM Response to Reply #8 |
35. Exactly... |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
107. I still can't quite believe that Bill LIED to prop up McSame... |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #107 |
144. Since when has lying been difficult for Bill? |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #144 |
157. Well yeah lying to cover up affairs... but to prop up GE opponents? |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #157 |
158. Yes. He has no shame. |
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blogslut
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
9. Does anyone know? |
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rox63
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. This has nothing to do with the GE |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:48 PM Response to Reply #9 |
18. Yes, they will. This is only re: the primary. |
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Terran
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. of course they will |
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blogslut
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. good |
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EFerrari
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
14. Someone get that woman off of the ledge before she hurts someone. |
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otohara
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
15. OMG |
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BeyondGeography
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:47 PM Response to Original message |
16. Just think, only 4.5 more weeks until Pennsylvania |
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RUMMYisFROSTED
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
61. 33 days, 21 hours, 58 minutes, 11 seconds... |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
20. You go Hillary. she is showing the voters she cares while BO is dissing as 'not counting" |
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crankychatter
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
66. dissing? |
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Hepburn
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:49 PM Response to Original message |
22. Hi, Jen........ |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. Hey, Hepburn! |
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Hepburn
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:59 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Yeah.... |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #46 |
77. Yup... |
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Cha
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM Response to Reply #22 |
50. Right...as buzzflash says.."A new day |
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Cha
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
28. Obviously hilary took her cue from |
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Barack_America
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
30. She should be careful about questioning the "legitimacy" of any nominee... |
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otohara
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Fri Mar-21-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
182. She Wouldn't If She Were Leading |
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KingFlorez
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
33. All the voters should have their say |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
43. Then it's too bad she signed a pledge saying MI and FL wouldn't count. |
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Hepburn
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:57 PM Response to Reply #33 |
45. True.... |
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truebrit71
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:20 PM Response to Reply #33 |
88. They should have though about that before improperly changing their primary date... |
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KingFlorez
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:17 PM Response to Reply #88 |
139. The voters didn't change the date |
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Upton
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:54 PM Response to Original message |
37. What a hypocrite she is |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #37 |
59. Obama is worse than a hypocrite. |
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Upton
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #59 |
68. The DNC ruled |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Michigan would have re-voted if Obama would have responded to the legislators. |
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Upton
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:25 PM Original message |
Seems to me |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
112. Everyone thought a way to seat MI and FL would be worked out. |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #112 |
122. So they signed a pledge they didn't take seriously? |
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anamandujano
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #112 |
132. Everyone can pretend til the cows come home that Florida and Michigan |
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msallied
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #132 |
143. Delusional much? |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:27 PM Response to Reply #73 |
103. Yes, BO purposely let the clock run out. |
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anamandujano
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #103 |
136. It wouldn't be too hard to guess why. (Internal polling anyone?) |
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crankychatter
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:10 PM Response to Reply #59 |
70. Touche' |
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truebrit71
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #59 |
91. Nice strawman...try again... |
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slinkerwink
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
40. oh brother |
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RiverStone
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Thu Mar-20-08 01:59 PM Response to Original message |
48. Then lets hold LEGITIMATE primaries! |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
49. The problem is that Dean always intended to seat the delegates |
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madfloridian
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
56. Seating is different than counting. Counting must be by the rules. |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:25 PM Response to Reply #56 |
99. I didn't see it as blaming Dean. Dingle said NO ONE expected the events that occurred. |
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madfloridian
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:45 PM Response to Reply #99 |
123. Bull hockey. |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:47 PM Response to Reply #123 |
124. Exactly. I don't for one minute believe |
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rodeodance
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. yes, i know---but he is looking rather weak--not getting at a solution (whatever that is) |
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madfloridian
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
62. Hillary has started her own party. She is out to destroy the DNC |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:32 PM Response to Reply #57 |
109. The short-sidedness has created a situation that's just really complicated. |
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DURHAM D
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #49 |
67. Then why did the DNC CEO cancel the room reservations for the MI and FL delegations? eom |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:19 PM Response to Reply #67 |
86. Dunno what the motivation was or when in the process it was done. |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #49 |
119. Where did she claim she was told that? |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #119 |
142. The link to the transcript is in my initial post. Here it is again: |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:37 PM Response to Reply #142 |
149. You expect others to read an entire transcript to find the basis for your claim? |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:57 PM Response to Reply #149 |
160. Not that hard to find the word Dingell in a simple transcript. |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:04 PM Response to Reply #160 |
162. Is this all there is? |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #162 |
169. She's a DNC member so I am going to assume she knows what she's talking about |
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redqueen
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:43 PM Response to Reply #169 |
170. I'd be interested in knowing when he went down there, |
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Lucinda
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:53 PM Response to Reply #170 |
172. I would bet anything it was in the VERY early days, well before Feb 5. It appears |
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madfloridian
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
51. Whining.... |
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durrrty libby
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
52. Yes Hillary. That is what I've been saying all along. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:00 PM Response to Reply #52 |
131. But all 50 states can be thrown out by the Superdelegates no problem |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:04 PM Response to Original message |
58. Cheating at Foursquare |
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jlake
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
60. Yes, and anyone who disagrees with her is either willing to put partisanship over the party, or out |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
64. Her political ploy is obvious |
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Cali_Democrat
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:12 PM Response to Reply #64 |
74. Well said |
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zulchzulu
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
65. Hey, let's make baseball batters get 10 strikes while we're at it... |
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truebrit71
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #65 |
94. BINGO!!! |
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democrattotheend
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
75. I hate to say it, but she's right |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #75 |
80. So wrong. MI and FL are in it for Hillary to win. They will blame Obama. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #75 |
83. But Obama's not blocking anything. He's simply following the DNC rules and said he will |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
89. Why should he? MI and FL got themselves into this pickle |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
93. It is the VOTERS that matter. Not your opine that they do not count. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #93 |
116. Then it is impossible to make a case for Hillary to stay in the race. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:38 PM Response to Reply #116 |
118. silly---lots of states to go yet. Where you been?--this is the primary season. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:07 PM Response to Reply #118 |
133. And Hillary signed a PLEDGE that MI and FL votes wouldn't count. But that was only her |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #133 |
146. ha ha ---I know what you are afraid of. Too bad it is not up to you. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #146 |
156. Ha ha. I know what HILLARY is afraid of-losing the nomination. She doesn't care about the voters |
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:29 PM Response to Reply #156 |
166. To are boring me. bye |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #166 |
176. Who's "To"? And I have a feeling by "boring" you you meant replying to you in ways you can't refute |
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Thu Mar-20-08 05:40 PM Response to Reply #89 |
177. I agree. |
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Usrename
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:50 PM Response to Reply #75 |
125. In 2004 Michigan had a caucus for the presidential primary. |
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truebrit71
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:15 PM Response to Original message |
79. No, you have that backwards Hillary, as usual. If MI and FL are counted and you get the nom..... |
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Babel_17
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:19 PM Response to Original message |
85. Here's a link |
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BlooInBloo
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:22 PM Response to Original message |
92. I.e., nominee isn't valid unless SHE'S it. God bless her little scorched earth powermongering heart. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Too bad BO brought the warth of his garbage in his kichen sink upon himself. |
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BlooInBloo
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:26 PM Response to Reply #97 |
102. hahahaha! good one! |
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EFerrari
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #92 |
127. How anyone who has witnessed this behavior can still believe |
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BlooInBloo
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. I dunno what "gobsmacking" means, but I like it. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
95. She kept her name on the ballot because she wanted to avoid this benefitting Rethugs. Her words. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:36 PM Response to Reply #95 |
115. Here's some more of her "words" |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:24 PM Response to Original message |
96. Times change, and it's true. I said this before. Without MI and FL there's no mandate. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #96 |
128. I think it's misleading to say they were all for seating FL and MI. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:25 PM Response to Original message |
100. Oh for the love of God and all that's holy... why did she go there? |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
110. So I guess someone's saying that we can't have a legitimate Dem nominee... |
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EFerrari
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #110 |
113. Right. Our nominee isn't legitimate unless it's Hillary. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #113 |
120. too bad the myth of 'electability" went out the door this week!--but it was a myth to start with. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
126. Shouldn't Michigan and Florida have thought about this in the first place? |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #126 |
135. If Obama would have won these two races, Hillary would feel VERY differently |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #126 |
138. Three other states went there - five states applied for rule changes. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #138 |
153. Source for that, please? (nt) |
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:39 PM Response to Original message |
154. So if she manages to get the superdelegates to go along with her |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #154 |
159. Good point! |
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Arugula Latte
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Thu Mar-20-08 04:35 PM Response to Original message |
168. Funny how your tune has changed, Hillary. |
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Thu Mar-20-08 05:32 PM Response to Reply #168 |
173. Her tune has ALSO changed re: this being "about delegates," too, as well as caucuses not |
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Thu Mar-20-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
178. hehehehehe |
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jenmito
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Thu Mar-20-08 08:13 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. I would agree, but all of the candidates AGREED that they wouldn't count since |
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Fri Mar-21-08 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
181. Things change.... |
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