Obama's poll numbers going down and people aren't even paying real attention yet...

[jackson_dem]

...Just like snipergate this will really hit the national consciousness on Monday. All of these figures are from Rasmussen since no other polling data is available at this time.

Versus Clinton

4/10: O 48, H 41
4/11: O 47, H 44
4/12: O 46, H 44
4/13: H 46, O 45

Change: Obama goes from leading by 7 to trailing by 1.

Versus McSame

4/10: M 46, O 45
4/11: M 47, O 44
4/12: M 47, O 43
4/12: M 50, O 42

Obama goes from -1 to -8.

Favorability

4/10: 52 fav, 45 unfav
4/11: 51 fav, 47 unfav
4/12: 51 fav, 48 unfav
4/13: 48 fav, 50 unfav

Obama goes from +7 to -2.

Most significantly his biggest losses come on the last day, when the greatest number of people thus far knew about his remarks.

[jezebel]

1. too bad Gallup disagrees. But since Clinton is a Republican now she prefers Rasmussen. nt

[jackson_dem]

4. Too bad we don't have much data to go by right now

We'll know what impact this had in a few days, although I am sure if Obama tanks 10 points in every poll Obamites will still be in denial.

[jezebel]

7. Well you choose to use Rasmussen for your data but ignore Gallup. I guess it didn't fit your premise

nt

[Texas Hill Country]

97. Rass seemed fine to the obama supporters when he is up....

[bevoette]

19. didn't he "tank" 10 points after Wright...only to come back with an even bigger lead?

just sayin

[PseudoIntellect]

30. Exactly. Pastorgate was HUGE compared to truthfully saying the word "bitter," and that

pastor thing did nothing to him except in the very short run.

[jackson_dem]

60. The difference is the msm bailed him out with his BS speech

He can't pull the same stunt this time, especially since it came out of his mouth, not someone he knew intimately and supported for two decades. Or can he?

[PseudoIntellect]

65. BS speech?

He wrote it himself. It was one of the most sincere things I've seen this primary season. But go ahead, continue to assume everything great to come out of the Obama campaign is BS.

But anyway, realizing reality isn't a bad thing. We have 29% approval (under 5% among Democrats) of the chief executive.

Americans hate to admit reality so much these days.

[jackson_dem]

67. It was a speech designed to save his neck. Just words (without any substance)...

Yeah, damn Americans--especially small town ones! :sarcasm: No wonder you support Obama and fail to recognize the problem with his recent comments.

[PseudoIntellect]

70. ...okay, maybe you're right. We'll see what happens with the polls in the next week.

But this sort of reminds me of Clinton's entire campaign strategy, though. "Screw you, small states."

Maybe with Obama, it's "screw you, small towns."

But honestly, this is probably the last grasp of a falling campaign.

[Hutzpa]

83. I thought you got TS'ed

reincarnation....imagine that.....:wow: we have our first internet re-incarnation.

[ginchinchili]

59. Problem for Obama is that it's the accululated effect that has snared him this time.

There were the revelations about Rev. Wright, Obama's father figure; there was Michelle's comment about never being proud of America until Obama did well in Iowa; there was Michelle's ethnocentric, black power college dissertation; there's the clip of Obama standing with his arms at his side while everyone else has theirs on their hearts during the playing of the national anthem; there was Obama's reference to his grandmother as being a "typical white woman." With each revelation a more detailed picture of Obama being a ethnocentric, elitist is emerging. The furthest Obama can reach now is winning the nomination. He'll never be president. He just can't keep his true thoughts hidden. They keep slipping out.

[Joe the Revelator]

20. Hey Jackson_Schtick....when you try to hold the high ground, and talk about there not being....

"much data" you should take care not to cherry pick your polls.

[cliffordu]

57. Too bad they use such a small subset of Hill supporters.

We'll see what happens after the debate.


and the primary vote...

:patriot:

[mtnsnake]

24. It's not Hillary whose theme is "Reach out to Republicans" That theme belongs to DLC-lite, Obama

You need to get away from DU once in a while and get the facts.

[jackson_dem]

61. They are so infused with the red stuff they don't realize Obama has more DLC support

Yet the red stuff allows them to "believe" he is a nightmare for they DLC. :rofl:

[mtnsnake]

69. If they don't realize it by now, then they need to get away from DU for a while

I think all these people read is the propaganda and spin that's laid in front of them here in La La Land. lol

[jackson_dem]

85. Yup. They are so desparate for a "savior" they suspend reality to make O what they want him to be

[msallied]

2. Cling to the delusion that this means ANYTHING in the grand scheme of things.

[Hamlette]

3. according to Rassmussen...one poll

lets have a little honesty here...'k?

http://www.gallup.com/poll/106432/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-49-42.aspx



http://www.gallup.com/poll/106432/Gallup-Daily-Obama-Leads-Clinton-49-42.aspx

[jackson_dem]

6. Why didn't you mention the date of that poll?

That poll is a day behind. It does not include yesterday, Obama's worst day, and it shows a 2 point drop for Obama on Friday, similar to Rasmussen for Friday.

[jezebel]

8. Have you seen Gallup today? Obama is back up to 50 and that INCLUDES yesterday.Clinton is down 1. nt

[jackson_dem]

10. I just did. Let's see if it is accurate or an outlier

Didn't Gallup also show that pastorgate didn't make a difference? Gallup has always tended to be pro-Obama. They had Obama leading even last spring when he was losing basically everywhere else.

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[mtnsnake]

39. You should talk, Jack-off Roses

[jackson_dem]

45. I never said that. No single polls makes a trend

I have always said that. The blindess of Obamites is amusing. During snipergate you all noted that the story wouldn't really hit until Monday. You were right and Clinton paid a price. Yet now smalltowngate doesn't show an effect in one poll by Saturday and everything if going to fine. Hypocrites or just "faithful"?

[jenmito]

14. No. The Gallup Poll had him fall below Hillary after the Wright thing. n/t

[jackson_dem]

46. He went down in every poll after pastorgate--but he then rebounded

[jenmito]

89. Do you forget you said, "Didn't Gallup also show that pastorgate didn't make a difference?

Gallup has always tended to be pro-Obama." So now you're taking that back?

[grantcart]

53. here's today's poll

[woolldog]

95. k

[otohara]

5. Is This Making The Case For SuperD's to Overturn

the results?

If that happens, my days as a voting democrat will officially come to a end forever!

[leftofcool]

16. There is always MCain

[OzarkDem]

72. More likely more of them will switch to Clinton

[HockeyMom]

9. Say hello to President McCain

If you think Republicans and Independents will switch to Hillary, dream on. Hey, a whole lot of Democrats won't even vote for her.

I voted for her for Senator. I learned from my mistake. I will be sitting home in November rather than vote for her again. Fool me once, etc., etc.

[jackson_dem]

11. I go by facts. She gets as many rethugs as Obamka in the GE and more Dems

And the gap with indies is only 10-12 points.

[HockeyMom]

21. They voted for her in Primary

not because they LIKE her, but because they want her to be the candidate so she will LOOSE. They will NOT vote for her in the GE.

Haven't you heard about Russ's show where he actually called on them to switch over and vote for her?

She will loose. Too many people hate her. I am on the verge.

Hillary is PRO GUN! :rofl: If it wasn't such a pathetic pandering for votes, it really would be funny.

At rate, it does not surprise me she is doing that.

[jackson_dem]

47. EXACTLY. That is why Obama has consistently won the rethug vote in the primaries

In GE polls he gets as much rethug support as Clinton. You figure it out...

She is pro-gun, as are most Dems. You can be pro gun and pro gun control. I am and so are most Dems. Obama? Wanted to ban the possession of handguns in Illinois.

[mtnsnake]

13. Looks like Obama fever has peaked out. Oh well, he gave it a fair shot, just not good enough

I wouldn't count him out for 2016, though, unless Chelsea decides to throw her hat into the ring, and then he'd have to wait until 2024. No big deal

[jenmito]

26. Look at THIS:

[mtnsnake]

34. That's the past. Here, look at this instead, jen:

Obama's bubble has burst.

[jenmito]

41. It's including yesterday. n/t

[mtnsnake]

44. but yesterday is the past, is it not?

[jenmito]

87. You claimed the present is "his bubble has burst." The Gallup Poll posted included the days his

"bubble burst."

[JackORoses]

93. the Past, just like Hillary's campaign, MountedSnake

A Hillarite Presidency is never going to happen despite all your bloviating.

But go ahead, bloviate to your heart's content.

[jackson_dem]

49. Who cares? Most people don't pay attention to politics on weekends

Let's see the Wednesday polls, which take into account folks digesting this on Monday.

[jenmito]

88. Yeah. Let's wait to see how folks feel about Bill Clinton's multiple lies about Hillary's lies.

[cali]

27. too bad, this is hillary's last chance and she blew it. she's damaged

goods. done. finis. such a shame for the poor bitter woman.

[mtnsnake]

32. Last chance at what? Proving all you guys wrong again like she always does?

Yes, it'll be her last chance to prove you wrong because from here on it, the writing is on the wall and it says Hillary will be our nominee. Hey, Obama gave it good shot, he just wasn't up to par.

[cali]

68. when has she ever proved me wrong

c'mon prove I ever said anything that could be interpreted that way.

[Straight Shooter]

91. Every time you use "bitter" to describe Hillary or her supporters ...

... you acknowledge through your use of "bitter" as an insult that the word is quite pejorative in common parlance.

Such irony.

[jackson_dem]

48. mtn you are a prophet

You said things would turn around starting on Thursday.

[mtnsnake]

78. "You said things would turn around starting on Thursday"

Yes, I did. :smoke:

However, even when I said that, last Tuesday I believe, I wasn't sure what the catalyst would be that would turn this campaign around on a dime. I just knew it was going to happen. As it turns out, Bittergate was the spark that turned the tide and changed the momentum of the campaign for keeps.

[JackORoses]

15. How many delegates did she gain on him today? ....None.

Good for her!!!

[Genevieve]

51. And Obama just picked up another super-delegate today --

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=5485693&mesg_id=5485693

[PetraPooh]

17. As usual no links for validation or consideration.

[jackson_dem]

62. Rasmussen

Try Google.

[bowens43]

18. GIve it up, its over. Hillary lost.

Even if she could win all the remaining contests, it wouldn't be enough to give her the nomination. She's through.

[mtnsnake]

38. I guess you don't know how the superdelegates work

Even if she could win all the remaining contests, it wouldn't be enough to give her the nomination. She's through.

Neither can Obama. All either one of them can do is get more votes than the other, but neither can win the nomination on pledged delegates. The superdelegates will be deciding, and they'll be picking the one who they think has the best chance of beating McCain, and we all know that that candidate is Hillary.

[Garbo 2004]

90. Forbes figured Obama would need only about 33% of current uncommitted SD's for nom.

http://blogs.forbes.com/trailwatch/2008/04/obamas-magic-nu.html

[PurityOfEssence]

22. This one goes to eleven

You can't argue against religious fervor. (Oh, alright, you CAN, it's just that it doesn't work...)

[cali]

23. The OP, being such a delicate little flower

that he has me on ignore, but the facts are that he only posts selectively. And, the OP has been predicting Obama's immediate demise for months. He's angry and BITTER because he thinks Obama stole the anti-hillary mantle from JE.

[mtnsnake]

31. cali where in heck do you come up with all these sci-fi theories of yours?

Jackson_dem posts the truth but I guess the truth is hard to stomach sometimes, eh.

I know it's been an exceedingly long winter and all, but I'm starting to worry about you.

[PseudoIntellect]

33. It's the truth if you ignore Gallup poll.

He went up today in that poll.

And he has held a lead for so long in the Gallup poll that it goes off the chart.

We need to see some real substantial damage, at LEAST 15 point lead in some poll for Hillary, for it to be of any real danger. I mean, it was shortly a major lead for Clinton after Pastorgate, but that dissolved.

[indimuse]

64. LOL!!!

That's all I have to add.....LOLLOLOl! ah shit..

[cali]

73. ooh, it's the cute wittle race baiter

who even when called on her despicable dishonesty continues to stand by it.

[cali]

71. the OP endlessly calls Obama a bigot

he doesn't post "the truth". And if I cared, I'd worry about you, and how completely out of touch with reality you are. And you've made it clear today that you stand with lying shits who race bait.

[mtnsnake]

77. cali please calm down & get a grip on reality. Try some alternate nostril breathing. It really helps

Hold one closed and breath slowly through the other. Slowly I said. Now exhale through the mouth even more slowly, pushing your diaphram in as you do. Do this ten times and then go Ahhhhhh.

And if I cared, I'd worry about you, and how completely out of touch with reality you are.

I'm based in reality. I stew in it. Sometimes the cold hard truth is a little hard to take, so I can understand it if you're a bit upset with how Obama's chances have gone down the tubes. And even though you say you don't care and that you don't worry, I still care or I wouldn't be telling you about the neat little breathing exercise above.

[PseudoIntellect]

25. Bittergate actually made a difference as per Ras poll? Wow. Not in Gallup, though.

It's amazing how many Americans will willingly ignore the truth. It can decide an entire election. Don't say anything about the people losing homes being bitter, because it just ain't true! Bush has 100% approval rating!11!!1

Obama promises to listen to the bad news before the good news. He wants to have some people disagree with him so he can see both sides. And he wants to actually address bad news, rather than pretend it doesn't exist.

[BzaDem]

35. People are upset about the "clinging to guns/religion", not the bitter remark, and you know it.

[jackson_dem]

58. Actually, sadly they don't know it. They are that out of touch

No wonder they think Obama is electable.

[PseudoIntellect]

66. Sorry, but everything I see on the web these days is about being upset about

the "bitter" comment.

But anyway, let's see how the polls change and see who is out of touch.

[AllentownJake]

28. The sky is falling

Everyday with you, I swear.

Polls go up...polls go down.

[npincus]

36. Now, don't feel bitter because the only pollyou can quote is RAZberry

[book_worm]

37. your daily rantings against Obama are revolting

do you ever post anything positive about your candidate? What are you going to do if Obama is the nominee?

[jackson_dem]

50. What ranting? I merely posted polls lol

Only ____ would consider that ranting. What will I do? Vote for him. What will you do if Hillary wins? Vote for McSame or write in Obama?

[mtnsnake]

79. hahaha, that's hilarious that you're getting accused of ranting for posting number polls

:rofl:

[MadBadger]

40. You know, you get all pissy at me for what you call cherry picking

Arent you doing the same thing? Gallup shows something different, so you cannot make your statement the way you do.

[jackson_dem]

52. Lame hnmf

You read my poll threads. You know I don't check Gallup daily like I do Rasmussen.

Who gives a fuck if he is or is not down on Saturday? Most people aren't paying attention. Let's see what happens starting Monday...

[MadBadger]

55. I dont know that you dont check Gallup. But its always reported here.

[jackson_dem]

63. Once I was told about it I took it into account

1) One poll does not make a trend
2) We don't have enough data to reach a firm conclusion at this point
3) It doesn't even matter. Most people don't pay attention to politics over the weekend. Let's see the fallout starting Monday. Snipergate didn't hurt Clinton over the weekend either.

[MadBadger]

75. Snipergate didnt really takeoff until Monday. This took off on Friday

Also, Obama has a lot more room to explain what he said than Hillary did with Snipergate

[Cessna Invesco Palin]

42. Oh hai.

I can has MASSIVE DELEGATE DEFECIT!

kthxbye

[OzarkDem]

43. His unfavorables are as high as Clinton's

Not surprising, it happens when voters become familiar with a candidate. Obama is no longer an unknown quantity.

[jackson_dem]

54. Obamites thought he was immune to political gravity

:rofl:

[grantcart]

56. last laugh is on who?

[OzarkDem]

74. Still a dead heat

Obama can't close the sale and these numbers show he's not likely to.

Now that voters have learned more about him, its a more level playing field.

[datopbanana]

81. Obama can't close? Clinton can't even close on getting in position to close.

[datopbanana]

82. PS Obama doesn't have to close. The clock runs out in June. So Clinton has to close. She's not.

[datopbanana]

84. PS to my PS. There's no such thing as "closing." These are unique voters each time. This is just a..

illusion created from a fragmented primary.

[Justice Is Comin]

76. These string bean groupies just live in

their own la la land. Never mind the fact that he bungles around like the snooty phony he is, never had an original thought in his life, copies others and appeals to the wealthy elitists.

Fortunately he'll never see the title of president due to either a Democrat or a Republican.

Imagine him talking to world leaders with twenty years more foreign relations experience than he has lol.

Excluding bush, he would be one of the only presidents who knew less than anybody in his cabinet. They would have to have around the clock instruction meetings. It would make a cartoon.

[Raffi Ella]

80. woo

Thanks for the latest numbers.

[sueragingroz]

86. If only he had waited 8 years...

we coulda had 16 years of dems in the WH... now we'll be lucky to get even one.

[JoFerret]

92. Obama folk - let's for a moment

...imagine that the numbers showed that he was unelectable. That he would lose the election in the GE.

Would that make a difference to your support?

[woolldog]

94. Rasmussen Daily 4/14: Obama 48 (+3) Clinton 44 (-2)

Hmmm, I guess the OP was wrong.....again.


http://rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/daily_democratic_presidential_primary_tracking_polling_history

[mckeown1128]

99. Oh.. SNAP. nt

[Egnever]

96. hows that elitist thing working out today?

[gcomeau]

98. This is amusing.

(Edit to fix comment based on misreading posting time...)

Versus Clinton

4/10: O 48, H 41
4/11: O 47, H 44
4/12: O 46, H 44
4/13: H 46, O 45

4/14: 0 48, C 44

Oops. Obama up 4.

Moving on to section 2...

Versus McSame

4/10: M 46, O 45
4/11: M 47, O 44
4/12: M 47, O 43
4/12: M 50, O 42

Hmmm...

4/14: M 49, O 42.

Oh look, they moved back. No more trend for you.

And now for the finale, section 3:

Favorability

4/10: 52 fav, 45 unfav
4/11: 51 fav, 47 unfav
4/12: 51 fav, 48 unfav
4/13: 48 fav, 50 unfav

You know the drill:

4/14: 48 fav, 50 unfav. Levelled off. Imagine that. But here's the best part, a Clinton supporter hand wringing about unfavorability numbers for Obama reaching 50% unfavorable for a day in Rasmussen polling. Let me guess... "unelectable!!!" ?

Hillary hasn't had an unfavorability level below 50% in this polling in a month! How stupid do you think people are? This is insulting.

[kmsarvis]

100. You gotta give Jackson-Dem credit for trying so hard !!! n/t

:rofl:

[woolldog]

102. he's one of the most intellectually dishonest posters on here.

[JackORoses]

101. poor poor jacksoff-dem. Hillary makes him look like a buffoon once again.

Will he ever learn?

[hayu_lol]

103. Gee willikers, ain't it time...

for Obama to step down and save the country and party by doing so? Last I heard, there ain't no caucuses in the GE.

The two candidates are essentially tied.

[JackORoses]

105. hayu_guys!

President Obama forgives your ignorance.

"essentially tied"
How can you even say that with a straight face?
If you really believe that, it's going to be devastating for you when Hillary gets shitcanned.

[AX10]

104. K & R! Seeing that the Obambots won't do it.