MSNBC Veepstakes: Clark 1st, Edwards "distant" 2nd--week 6

[cosmokramer]

"The retired General posts an easy victory over Edwards as he stays in the top spot for the 6th straight week"

"The North Carolina Senator is a distant second to Clark this week, but he's well ahead of McCain"...


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4565073/

(edited for typo)

[arcos]

1. I can't believe MSNBC's veepstakes is still going on...

No offense at all to any of the VP candidates, but it seems like it has been running for a year or more. Plus, the system that they use just sucks... and don't even get me started on the candidates you can nominate for the next week... :eyes:

CNN's veepstakes was much better, IMHO.

[cosmokramer]

2. CNN sucked....

...to group people in brackets instead of head to head with one another is just silly.

MSNBC has been running for 14 weeks--thats all.

[wjsander]

20. I'm confused...

Even though it was brackets, I thought it WAS head-to-head. And in the end it was Edwards and Clark head-to-head, right? How come that sucked? Me confused. :crazy:

[cosmokramer]

24. It wasn't everyone vs. everyone,

meaning there wasn't an option for the person with the most votes to move to the front, only out of their bracket. Bracket grouping makes no sense whatsoever, unless you play Little League.

[Scoopie]

3. The CNN one pitted

Wes against BOTH Clintons and John McCain.
Edwards had softballs.
It was a weird brackets game.

[cosmokramer]

4. it was stupid, but clark still beat all the tough people in his bracket.

[arcos]

5. well, in MSNBC's Hillary has been in and out 2 times...

and Gephardt just came in again too... WTF?

Did you notice the nominees for next week? WTF is Christine Todd Whitman doing there? At least in CNN's you were able to get past the nonsense candidates quickly (Clinton, Brokaw, etc)...

[Auntie Bush]

6. What's going on?

I made my selection and went to vote and it said I already did...but I didn't! When I checked to see the results I couldn't get them because it said I had to vote first. Has anyone else experienced this problem?

[cosmokramer]

7. Likely a browser problem.

Try to link from it from a different browser. Hope that works!

[Auntie Bush]

9. Darn...I don't know how to do that!

x( Better not happen next week.

[cosmokramer]

11. Just use a different browser.

Go to http://www.mozilla.com and download the free Mozilla Firebird browser.

[Adelante]

31. I tried two other browsers (three total)

Same thing as Anti B.

[cosmokramer]

35. I am not having any problems...

...with any of my browsers, so I am sorry I can't help you any more than just the advice of switching browsers.

:-(

[CalebHayes]

51. Is that the John Glenn I'm thinking of that is up for nomination for next.

week? omg How lame can this get.

[cosmokramer]

59. John Glenn is extremely 'vintage' for the Veepstakes...

...heck, although he is a fabulous politician, he might die before Cheney's ticker implodes.

Great guy, totally wrong for Veepstakes.

[Padraig18]

60. Glenn is old, but in extremely good health.

He's also probably the most popular person in the State of Ohio, hands down. :)

[cosmokramer]

61. I am in Ohio...

...and he is extremely popular here, and often does campaign appearances on behalf of the few statewide dems we have. Loved watching him stump with Clinton in 1992--lots of fun.

He is currently stumping for some of the dem congressional candidates, and for Eric Fingerhut (senate candidate). Seriously doubt he would even consider leaving retirement to be anyone's VP, and I do believe him to be too 'vintage' to be seriously considered.

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[Auntie Bush]

12. ROTFL That was a good one!

[Scoopie]

23. I wish I'd seen it before

it was "moderated."
:D

[cosmokramer]

13. No, Clark has the CBS Poll and the California Democratic Party...

...so, again, for the hundredth occasion, you are wrong.

[Doosh]

15. what CBS poll?

.

[cosmokramer]

17. Look it up for yourself!

[Padraig18]

19. With all due respect, if you're going to cite it, you should also link it.

There's no need to be so rude about it.

[cosmokramer]

22. I am not helping the likes of Doosh--ever.

You have a private message, however.

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[Doosh]

25. can you at least tell me

Between what dates was the poll conducted, what was the demographic breakdown?

[Jai4WKC08]

27. No demographic given

On-line poll. "Unscientific." So why the interest? Those don't mean anything, right? Except for the ones you win.

When I saw it last, Clark was about 34%, Edwards about 32%, and Gephardt and McCain in single digits, and some others just blips on the screen.

[Darkamber]

30. Doosh was curious because of Cos's response...

Come on guys...this is nothing to fight over. Internet polls are fun and it feels good if your guy is first, but in the end it will be a poll of John Kerry that will count.

[cosmokramer]

44. Incorrect...

...Doosh was trying to start a flame war and was duly deleted.

[Padraig18]

16. CBS poll? Link, please. n/t

[Darkamber]

29. Here's the link to the CBS Internet Poll.

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/politics/main250.shtml

I don't mind listing it and as far as I can tell you can vote in it as many times as you wish. Many you just have to log into your browser fresh, but I know I voted more then once in it.

And it is not supprising that Clark is winning Internet polls. What would be suprising would be if Clark wasn't winning Internet Polls.

[Jai4WKC08]

18. WTG Cosmo

;)

Let 'em find it themselves. lol

[Kahuna]

14. WTF is "Friskey" Whitman doing on our VP list????

:grr:

[cosmokramer]

26. They are really hitting bottom with her!

[in_cog_ni_to]

28. Wow! 6 weeks in a row!

How kewl is that?! Go Wes! Does MSNBC still announce the winner of their Veepstakes? I've never seen them talk about it. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't say who the winner is...since it's Wes, I'm use to him being ignored. If it was Edwards, MSNBC would probably do a Documentary on how Edwards came to win their Veepstakes for 6 weeks in a row and air the friggin' thing every night of the week. :grr:

WTG Wes! :bounce: You're a winner and we Clarkies KNOW it!

[Adelante]

32. LOL, Incog

"If it was Edwards, MSNBC would probably do a Documentary..."

[cosmokramer]

34. I find it sad that your comment is likely TRUE!

:evilgrin:

[cosmokramer]

36. MSNBC talks about the Veepstakes every week...

...when Tim Curry does the update for the WH race. And the crawl at the bottom of the screen runs the Veepstakes leader nearly everyday. And they invite voters to vote in the Veepstakes everyday. So, this is worth lots of positive PR.

[topdog08]

53. For some reason the moveon.org poll comes to mind

43% of Democrats support John Edwards for VP, not Wes Clark. How well organized a candidates internet supporters are is not even correlated to how the general public feels. Just ask Howard Dean.

As an analogy, image we held polls by stopping people on the street at a specific location, and telling them they can go find as many people who share their view to come vote, too. That's an internet poll for you. Just that it happens online instead of in real life.

[faithfulcitizen]

33. AWESOME! and did you see the # of responses?...

over 18,500! Wow-za!

[cosmokramer]

57. Kick!

:kick:

[Moderator]

37. Kick

[cosmokramer]

46. KICK

:kick:

[WI_DEM]

38. it is interesting that the only poll Clark wins

is on the internet and is unscientific.

[Auntie Bush]

39. What about the CNN poll? Veep results will be reported at 11:30

[spooky3]

43. Internet polls are not random, nor do they even attempt to be.

That alone keeps them from being unscientific, but there are other problems as well.

[spooky3]

52. keeps them from being scientific, I meant.

[Jai4WKC08]

40. Sour grapes

And it's polls, not poll.

Internet polling tends to be an unusual phenomenon that bears little relationship to the what the general populace thinks. I suppose it has to do with the relative affluence and education of internet denizens, particularly the ones interested in political stuff, and that they tend to lean left-but-liberterian-ish-ness.

Doesn't matter anyway. Kerry doesn't care about polls, scientific or otherwise. His aides and confidants have said that repeatedly, and from his actions, it appears to be very true. Polls will have NO bearing at all on his VP choice. And really, they shouldn't.

[Auntie Bush]

42. You are right...they shouldn't and neither should the

media whore predictions.

[cosmokramer]

54. Exactly.

[Tom Rinaldo]

41. The only reason why this matters at all

Is because so many media commentaters prefer not to mention Clark at all as a potentially popular VP pick. He is, maybe not the most popular, but certainly in the mix, and this tends to help underscore that point.

[cosmokramer]

45. Polls show only name recognition...

...and yes, I am talking the 'scientific' polls. Kerry doesn't care about them anyway--they are media driven, and he knows that.

The function of the MSNBC poll is that it mentions all the contenders every week on air--it is good for PR, no matter who the top contender is that particular week. Adn it is good for Kerry as he gets yet another check mark in the number of times his name is mentioned on TV, so there is so validity in participating and enjoying the 'fun' of these polls.

[Auntie Bush]

47. I just saw the end of the discussion of veep on MSNBC

They were doing a long rundown of why Edwards would be a good VEEP. Did I miss them talking about Clark being the winner? :wtf: is going on?
Clark's been #1 for all these weeks and they push Edwards!!!
Pardon if I missed them talking about Clark. Did anyone see them saying why Clark could be a good VP?

[Jai4WKC08]

48. I don't usually watch MSNBC anymore

BUT, since Clark was on this morning earlier, I had turned it on and haven't changed the channel. I'm not really fond of CNN either, so don't care enough to go find the remote.

Anyway, MSNBC announced the VP results, showed Clark's picture first, and said he'd been there for six straight weeks. Then they showed each of the others, in order. And then one shot of all four to be voted into this week's poll. Not much time or discussion to any of them. Then a shot of the Veepstakes website, which showed Clark on top of course. So it wasn't much, but it got his name and picture on air.

A little later, don't know if it was the next item or not since I wasn't paying close attention, they discussed who would be a good VP. This might be what you saw. Like I said, I wasn't really listening, but I didn't hear Clark mentioned (or I would have started listening, of course ;) ). What I did hear, at the VERY end, were the remarks Kerry had made during the primaries, about Edwards not being out of diapers, and not being qualified to be president. So they did seem to be hedging their predictions that Edwards will be VP.

[Auntie Bush]

49. Thanks for the update...I feel better now especially after all

the negitive comments Kerry made about Edwards. My expectations go up and down like a roller coaster. Will be glad when it comes to a stop.

[jsw_81]

50. All this veep speculation is a waste of time

For all we know, Kerry might have crossed Clark and Edwards off his list weeks ago. Remember what happened last time? Hardly anyone predicted Lieberman (or Cheney, for that matter).

[cosmokramer]

55. Speculation may be a waste of time,

but it is enjoyable for most of us, so why does it matter?

[Jai4WKC08]

56. No more a waste of time

Than complaining about other people doing something they (we) apparently enjoy when you don't even have to read the messages.

[cosmokramer]

58. Ditto.