Clinton campaigns against Democrats on gas prices

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Clinton campaigns against Democrats on gas prices

by MBNYC
Thu May 01, 2008 at 08:26:28 PM PDT

Triangulation is alive and well, it seems. Hillary Clinton, descending ever deeper into the grotesque, today called out the Congress, the body of which she is a member and that is controlled by her party, to do something about gas prices.
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"I believe it would be important to get every member of Congress on record," she said, per NBC/NJ's MIke Memoli. "Do they stand with the hard-pressed Americans who are trying to pay their gas bills at the gas station or do they once again stand with the oil companies? That's a vote I'm going to try to get, because I want to know where people stand, and I want them to tell us - are they with us or against us when it comes to taking on the oil companies?"

"Once again standing with the oil companies against us"? Is she high? >>>

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Now, we all know that suspending the gas tax isn't going to do much to save consumers money. At least, so say The New York Times, The Washington Post, Michael Bloomberg, top economists and the governor of New York. Even the Wall Street Journal editorial page, never averse to any tax cut no matter how idiotic, say this "smacks of poll-driven gimmickry".

Significantly, many Members of Congress are also opposed.

No, rephrase: many Democratic Members of Congress, the same Members who are going to be on the ballot in November.

Game this through for a moment: Hillary is demanding that legislators of her party align themselves with her on an issue that her Democratic opponent opposes and her republican opponent favors. Let's assume that Democrats in Congress oppose this idea; the New York Times notes broad opposition among legislators. However, in the Senate, Hillary is going to get that vote she wants.

Why?

Because Jon Kyl and Mel Martinez - both republicans - have introduced legislation to enact a gas tax holiday. In the known history of the universe, no republican has ever voted against a tax cut. So what happens to the Democratic legislators that oppose this republican bill?

Easy. They get attack ads that contain the phrase "even liberal atheist Hillary Clinton supported tax relief for car owners. Commie Democrat voted against what even Marxist Babykiller Hillary Socialist Clinton supported. - just too liberal for ."

Forget the abject stupidity involved in Hillary once again validating the quintessentially republican frame that the best cure for whatever ails America is always and regardless of circumstances a tax cut. Forget that Democrats are supposed to support policy that actually works. Forget even that in Hillaryworld, when it's us versus them, "them" means Democratic Members of Congress who are, drumroll, siding with the oil companies, because that's not political poison or anything like that.

Just think that Hillary, to score a point in a Democratic primary against a Democrat, just handed the other side yet another campaign issue - on top of Wright, Ayers, bitter, god, and guns.

Way to go, Hillary. You are awesome.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/5/1/222925/7147/47/507454

[babylonsister]

1. Recommend. She's ruthless and it's obvious. Pelosi and Hoyer

have called her on her b.s., standby for other Dems to get in line. She's crossed the line.

[DJ13]

2. Anyone need further evidence she now considers herself a Republican?

:wtf:

[MidwestTransplant]

3. As a former supporter, it would be simply impossible for me to support her now.

She is just so over the top. What a joke.

Oh and her plan....it requires a new federal program to monitor the oil companies to make sure (somehow) that hey don't increase their prices more than they would have otherwise so that they don't just boost their margins by another 18 cents.

A BS solution that saves the average person $30 over a summer rather than doing anything remotely helpful long term. Definition of pandering politician.

[meow mix]

4. Mccain/Hillary 2008

they can jump sharks together all day long.

[Lord Helmet]

5. Hilary is such a tool.

why does anybody even think she's a Democrat anymore?

[Pirate Smile]

10. They are doing the same damn thing again. I'm just glad they are doing it

while the Democratic Party members - the Superdelegates - can see it and realize that they will again f@!k over the party for their own purposes. They did it before and they will do it again.

[Lord Helmet]

11. Operation Chaos is polluting the vote but Hilary doesn't care.

the super-delegates need to shut this down

[Cha]

6. Is there anything more

ludicrous than hilary grandstanding.

Are the people in Congress getting the sense that they wouldn't want that tyrant as their boss?

[IrishBloodEngHeart]

7. She should just kiss Madonna and get it over with.

[99th_Monkey]

8. High Gas Prices? Well, the corporatist solution is obvious: gut the gov't & screw the infrastructure

Hillary's really letting her Corporatist Freak Flag fly on this one... right along with McBush.

How much more obvious could Clinton get about where her true allegiances lie?

[Triana]

9. Clinton Campaigns Against Democrats. That says it all. n/t

[Zodiak]

12. Typical DLC bullshit

Undermine the Democratic party's overall efforts by siding with Republicans on economic issues, all the while giving Americans the sense that they are getting screwed in a bipartisan way.

Thanks a lot, Hillary!

[Usrename]

13. Lieberman in a pantsuit.

:puke:

[speedoo]

20. She's worse than Lieberman, IMO.

She is far more devious and manipulative. Next to Hillary, Joe is relatively harmless, because he is so obvious.

[Inuca]

24. No

Except for Iraq and related issues, Lieberman is a pretty decent dem... sorry, independent... whatever he is. On the war thing he is appalling and because of this he is doing a whole bunch of appalling things, like becoming McC's sidekick. But at least I am pretty sure that he took these positions out of conviction (politically they did not help him). With Hillary conviction and personal integrity are words she would have to check in a dictionary.

[Pirate Smile]

14. kick

[TwilightGardener]

15. She's just fucking insane now. Why would anyone support her? Why not just

go all out and become a Republican instead?

[SunsetDreams]

16. what a slime!

She's such a RW tool.

[Bad Thoughts]

17. Goodbye, fiscal discipline

The thing that made the Bill Clinton economy unique, the ability to reign in spending and build a surplus, will not happen under Hillary Clinton.

[lumberjack_jeff]

23. Why will her windfall profits tax bring in less revenue? n/t

[Inuca]

25. Because they will NEVER PASS

not in this COngress anyway. So talking about how her idea is different than McCain's because she is paying for it is pure BS. Unless she is talking about about next summer, in which case it still is pure BS, just of a different flavor.

[billyoc]

18. She makes that other fucking whore Lieberman blush. nt

[Pirate Smile]

19. kick

[olkaz]

21. Anybody else starting to feel like the endgame is finally here?

I don't know, there's just something about today.

Really feels like we're going to have our nominee on Wednesday.

[lumberjack_jeff]

22. She is pushing for a windfall profits tax on oil companies in lieu of a sales tax at the pump.

Beyond the fact that she's considering it temporary and that "tax holiday" is an unfortunate choice of words, I find little to disagree with.

[Aloha Spirit]

27. raise tax on oil companies... oil companies raise price at pump... FAIL

[lumberjack_jeff]

28. You don't understand economics.

As a commodity for which the supply is inelastic, the price of fuel is not set by the cost of production (of which taxes are one part). It is set based on what the market will bear.

People will pay $4.00 for fuel, so that's what it is. A tax on the profit totaling a buck levied on the producer would not have a 1:1 relationship on the retail price. Prices will go up regardless. The question is how to best pay for the R&D required to sustain industrial society when it runs out.

There are no solutions to high gas prices. As a means of collecting the revenue to develop alternative energy resources, this is a very good idea.

[Aloha Spirit]

29. The oil companies will not be paying this tax though. The shareholders will. How do you think they'l

react?

[lumberjack_jeff]

30. Shareholders will pay? 20 minutes ago it was consumers?

What happened in the interim?

Oh, that's right - Obama just announced that he wants a windfall profits tax on oil companies too.

Of course shareholders "suffer" (e.g. profit less) when the profits of the companies in which they invest are limited.

When I filled up my car last week it cost $70. I simply don't fucking care that "their" portion of that $70 is reduced.

[Aloha Spirit]

31. decreased profitability will decrease domestic supply---driving price up. that's the way I see it.

Don't really feel like arguing about it though... cheers.

[Tinksrival]

26. This is getting nuts.

Meet the new boss....same as the old boss.

[Pirate Smile]

32. Link to video - Clinton: Is Congress *With Us Or Against Us* On Gas Tax?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385x126787

[Pirate Smile]

33. kick

[frylock]

34. kick

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