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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 07:54 PM Original message |
Are Dems subverting Democracy by challenging Naders petition signatures? |
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PROGRESSIVE1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 07:57 PM Response to Original message |
1. We must do whatever it takes to win! |
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supperDem (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:33 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. I hope you are joking |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 02:18 AM Response to Reply #6 |
11. One Party Rule? Who the hell said anything about that? |
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supperDem (23 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
45. If only one side wins |
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West Coast Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 05:59 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. We have one party rule right now. |
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demwing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:54 PM Response to Reply #45 |
55. Sheesh. Not even two dozen posts... |
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roguevalley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 07:58 PM Response to Original message |
2. If his petitions are illegally or unethically obtained, its our duty to |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:16 PM Response to Original message |
3. The problem is that Dems are also doing it to Libertarians and Socialists |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:17 PM Response to Reply #3 |
4. Well if they do it to one another, why should we excude Inde's? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
5. Winning at the expense of democracy = Tiananmen Square |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:38 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Ah, so checking signatures is Tiananmen Square-ish now? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 08:58 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. We are speaking of a local election |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 09:18 PM Response to Reply #8 |
9. Textbook talking points. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jul-21-04 10:16 PM Response to Reply #9 |
10. The ABB coalition begins and ends on Election Day |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #10 |
34. As part of "The Left" |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #34 |
36. To vote Bush out, one has to vote Kerry in |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:31 AM Response to Reply #36 |
37. Agreed. |
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dmkinsey (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:20 AM Response to Reply #8 |
24. This Mommy tactic doesn't work |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:29 AM Response to Reply #24 |
26. I got a political party, it is called the Democratic Party |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:16 AM Response to Reply #26 |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #26 |
44. The Democratic Party has ALWAYS challenged candidates |
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dmkinsey (789 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
23. If you want to get your candidate on the ballot |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:27 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. I don't support Nader or Cobb |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Freedom doesn't mean limiting the right to challenge a candidate |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 04:11 AM Response to Reply #3 |
12. If the challenges are all legal, what's the big deal? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:40 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Motion to dismiss Illinois Democrats’ challenge to SEP candidate |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
14. The 'felon' lists had non-felons on them, so NO those are not legal |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:58 AM Response to Reply #14 |
15. The use of state employees is in violation of State law |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:07 AM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Ah, I see--but they can simply argue they were interested in legality |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:21 AM Response to Reply #16 |
17. If the Greens did it, I would be objecting as well |
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jpgray (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:24 AM Response to Reply #17 |
18. Hardly--this is simply the way political parties do business |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:34 AM Response to Reply #18 |
19. Freedom and democracy don't come cheap |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #19 |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 01:46 PM Response to Reply #19 |
43. Hyperbole |
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LoZoccolo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:04 AM Response to Reply #3 |
20. Who cares why they're doing it? |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:08 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Using state employees, while on state time, is against the law! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. This is a strawman. Naders claim is that Democracy is undemocratic |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #28 |
29. Nader is not part of this story, and I wasn't speaking of him at all |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #29 |
33. Nadir isn't part of the story? Then why is his name in the subject line? |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:30 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. Yes I did. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:39 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. The use of state employees, on state time, is in a local race in Illinois |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:43 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. Politics is dirty business. |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Politics is dirty business when we allow it to happen |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 11:35 AM Response to Reply #40 |
41. Politics has been and will always be "dirty business" |
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yellowcanine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 09:14 AM Response to Original message |
22. Signature collecting is serious business. If done improperly, it is easy |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 10:04 AM Response to Reply #22 |
27. Damn right! |
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Demoiselle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #22 |
42. Signature petition challenges are part of the democratic process... |
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LimpingLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:32 PM Response to Original message |
47. Nobody mentioned this but Nader said........ |
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Comicstripper (876 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 06:42 PM Response to Reply #47 |
48. Yes |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 07:02 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. Ralph promised not to campaign in swing states last time round, and did. |
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LimpingLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:23 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. Yea because he realized he needed to bring new voters in. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
57. I beg to differ with "he always does what's right" |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:26 PM Response to Reply #47 |
51. And yet, that didn't happen in Michigan. The GOP marched right in |
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LimpingLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:36 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Shame on Nader. |
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ScreamingMeemie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:39 PM Response to Reply #52 |
53. Again...There was no Democratic force to run him, oh, I mean the GOP |
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LimpingLib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 08:50 PM Response to Reply #53 |
54. I was a Dean supporter too but for different reasons than most. |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:33 AM Response to Reply #54 |
58. Nader is not a progressive. |
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DarkToe0 (8 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jul-22-04 11:02 PM Response to Original message |
56. Yup! |
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mzmolly (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:34 AM Response to Reply #56 |
59. Nope, and Goodbye! |
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Tweed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jul-23-04 10:35 AM Response to Original message |
60. Yes I believe in theory that trying to get Nader off the ballot is absurd |
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