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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:05 AM Original message |
The party doesn't have a rift to heal, it's undergoing a fundemental change |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:10 AM Response to Original message |
1. What I want to see is the death of the DLC. People can be brought around by decency & truth. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:14 AM Response to Reply #1 |
5. We could be seeing the end of the DLC's relevance in this transformation |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:21 AM Response to Reply #5 |
11. Well, I don't have a lot of faith in Obama, either, but at least he isn't as plugged in to the |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:29 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. It's pretty clear by the Clinton's latest campaign themes, they think are not fond |
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Yurovsky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:37 PM Response to Reply #16 |
132. Amazing ... |
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WillyToad (389 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 02:11 AM Response to Reply #132 |
150. Look at the hate and intolerance of Obamas supporters then ask yourself... |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:32 PM Response to Reply #5 |
93. and I second that! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:58 AM Response to Reply #1 |
53. And Obama has taken the lead on this, by starting a nationwide registration infrastructure... |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:00 PM Response to Reply #53 |
76. Exactly. He's aligned himself with Dean. |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:31 AM Response to Reply #76 |
166. yes |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:10 PM Response to Reply #1 |
88. not sure |
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amandabeech (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:07 PM Response to Reply #88 |
126. Thanks for the great post. |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:27 PM Response to Reply #126 |
180. thanks |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:03 AM Response to Reply #88 |
162. "We are about to see a dissolution and re-organization of the political parties." |
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galledgoblin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:01 PM Response to Reply #1 |
144. amen to that |
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WA98296 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #1 |
171. Driving the DLC (non-populist wing) OUT is a GOOD thing for PEOPLE. |
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Doityourself (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:11 AM Response to Original message |
2. Death to the DLC..and if the Clinton's go the way of the dinosaur, my feelings won't be hurt |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:13 AM Response to Original message |
3. I think you are right |
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kentuck (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:14 AM Response to Original message |
4. I think you may be right on several points. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:17 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. You make some excellent points. I think Obama is looking to restart the concept |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
6. After the last seven years of listless opposition it sure could use it. |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:16 AM Response to Original message |
7. I think it's more a change in the way politics will be done |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:20 AM Response to Reply #7 |
10. That's also a valid point- Obama is the first successful internet candidate |
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pnorman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:06 AM Response to Reply #10 |
30. "Obama is the first successful internet candidate" |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:20 AM Response to Original message |
9. What would help is if Obama were much more progressive with his |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:22 AM Response to Reply #9 |
13. Those are great ideals to strive for, but I think we need to be practical and understand |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:57 AM Response to Reply #13 |
27. It is possible... Both Edwards and Kucinich had policies that worked and |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:31 AM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I'm so with you on this. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:39 AM Response to Reply #17 |
20. This is EXACTLY what we have to do! Never let up the pressure. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:01 AM Response to Reply #17 |
28. This is what I have been saying.. When the dust settles and the primary is won |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:35 AM Response to Reply #9 |
18. My take is that Obama may be more malleable to pressure from progressives. |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:02 AM Response to Reply #18 |
29. That business with the Nuclear company in his home state makes me |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:41 AM Response to Reply #9 |
21. The only way we get universal health care is if we organize and get it through Congress |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:22 AM Response to Reply #21 |
36. Yes, but one can set the tone. One can give speeches and urge congress |
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eridani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:02 PM Response to Reply #36 |
193. What Obama is doing is urging people to stay involved AFTER the election |
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izquierdista (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:14 AM Response to Reply #9 |
32. Patience, patience |
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glowing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:24 AM Response to Reply #32 |
37. I can only HOPE... But I will be there with a bullhorn shouting at the WhiteHouse |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:36 PM Response to Reply #9 |
95. and I'm going to ride my congressfolk like hell |
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marions ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #9 |
169. yep |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:22 AM Response to Original message |
12. LOL |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:23 AM Response to Reply #12 |
14. All will not leave, just a percentage |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
41. So what happens if she loses the nomination? |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #41 |
44. That's a great question and it's telling that you got no answers |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #41 |
66. This post shows |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:58 AM Response to Reply #66 |
75. I am? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #75 |
79. first |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. A statement of what I've seen isn't a lie |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #84 |
109. What splits the party |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:28 PM Response to Reply #109 |
113. My what now? |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:02 PM Response to Reply #113 |
115. well you mischaracterized my position, above |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:38 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Hear hear |
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Chulanowa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:53 PM Response to Reply #115 |
143. Hardly a mischaracterization. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #66 |
102. The party is already split, what's important is to understand the nature of the split |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
114. If Clinton were to get the nomination |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:17 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. That claim is not supported by any polls I have seen |
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joeybee12 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #12 |
62. I know...every election we hear the same thing...the fact is that the |
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EffieBlack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:25 AM Response to Original message |
15. This is very interesting and thought-provoking |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #15 |
58. Deleted message |
Maribelle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:38 AM Response to Original message |
19. The Dixicrats left the Democratic party in droves of their own fruition. They were not driven out.. |
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scarletwoman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:42 AM Response to Reply #19 |
22. It's time to overturn the established order, we are all being very harmed by it. |
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Inuca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:49 AM Response to Reply #19 |
25. Nobody is pushing |
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Clear Blue Sky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:45 AM Response to Original message |
23. Parties changes. Both parties are different than they were 40 years ago. |
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DerekJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:48 AM Response to Original message |
24. Kick ... |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:52 AM Response to Original message |
26. You may be right. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #26 |
103. I am hoping/expecting Obama to change that dynamic |
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judasdisney (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:07 AM Response to Original message |
31. OR the DLCers can resort to Backlash Engineering & sabotage the Obama Presidency |
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LizW (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
33. A fundamental change to permanent minority status |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:21 AM Response to Reply #33 |
34. I'm all out of |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #34 |
45. You need to watch My Blue Heaven- Steve Martin has a great line about argula |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:50 AM Original message |
I saw the movie a long time ago. |
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NorthernSpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #34 |
80. I thought Arugula was an island in the Caribbean! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:46 AM Response to Reply #33 |
43. I think you are wrong, the Dems will never be successful if the nominee has to waste all sorts |
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4themind (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
49. Permanent? |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:43 PM Response to Reply #33 |
85. Are you Ann Coulter? You sound just like her. Don't be surprised if she lifts some |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:43 PM Response to Reply #85 |
122. Ann Coulter ? The ultimate insult. |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:41 PM Response to Reply #33 |
137. "minority status"... |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:37 AM Response to Reply #33 |
160. im glad people like you are on the way out |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:21 AM Response to Original message |
35. What fundamental change does Obama bring? His policies are the SAME |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:44 AM Response to Reply #35 |
38. He's preaching reconsiliation as a nation. Duh. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:48 AM Response to Reply #38 |
39. What? He is preaching reconsiliation just like Pelosi did. Just like |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #39 |
47. No, Obama is the first to pay the concept of reconsilliation more than just lip service |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:57 AM Response to Reply #47 |
52. Actually, your premise is wrong. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #52 |
54. Hillary's attacks on "elitists" shows she prefers fighting to working together |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:18 AM Response to Reply #54 |
59. Don't bother with the hopeless. They'll see hopelessness in anything you say. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:43 AM Response to Reply #59 |
72. I know what you mean! |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:44 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. Yup. Like crabs in the crab pot trying to pull the fleeing crab back in. |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:27 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. Obama attacked working class (when he thought he was talking among "friends") |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Obama tries to be respectful to both sides of an issue, that's a drastic departure |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:34 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. I see you have been duped. Obama is not respectful. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
105. Sorry I haven't been duped. I have seen and heard pretty much everything going on |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 02:49 AM Response to Reply #54 |
152. um...fighting during a campaign season is one thing, but during actual work |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:59 PM Response to Reply #52 |
124. So far there is no indication that Obama has the moxie to |
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stillcool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #124 |
138. He has more legislative experience... |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #47 |
67. He's done no such thing |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:45 AM Response to Reply #67 |
74. Where have you been? |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:03 PM Response to Reply #74 |
125. Just another reason to not be too trustfull of Obama and his ites. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:21 PM Response to Reply #67 |
107. Not casting her as a racists, calling her on her racists claims |
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MonkeyFunk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:09 PM Response to Reply #107 |
110. She never made any such plea |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:16 PM Response to Reply #110 |
116. That's not true. Explain to me why she thinks she has more appeal for White voters |
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Evergreen Emerald (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:35 PM Response to Reply #116 |
131. ohmygod...she was talking demographics. ohmygod. |
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highplainsdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 07:26 PM Response to Reply #67 |
135. Unless Obama is MUCH smarter than these supporters of his, it'll be a train wreck. |
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lumpy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:44 PM Response to Reply #47 |
123. What the hell is reconsilliation ? |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:30 PM Response to Reply #35 |
81. Here's what you're missing. |
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tnlefty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #81 |
129. You said it for me! |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:58 PM Response to Reply #81 |
145. . |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:12 PM Response to Reply #35 |
139. It's not the policies. It's the OPPORTUNITY. According to... |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #139 |
140. . |
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barack the house (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:56 AM Response to Original message |
40. Exactly we are rejuvenating it's something better and more hopeful for the world. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:50 AM Response to Reply #40 |
48. For lawn to be it's best, sometimes you need to get rid of some weeds |
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Jade Fox (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
42. Yes, and that change is...... |
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Blue_Roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
46. this makes a lot of sense |
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IsItJustMe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:56 AM Response to Original message |
50. Yes, we are going to loose the Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hanity, Bill O'Reilly, Faux news Democrats once |
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BlooInBloo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:57 AM Response to Original message |
51. Let party realignment happen. Growing pains always, well, hurt. |
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izzybeans (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:02 AM Response to Original message |
55. It began that change when Terry Mcaulife was no longer the head of DNC. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #55 |
56. You're right, Howard Dean started this transformation when he decided |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:24 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Well mind criminal, it's pretty clear there are Dems that are not going to support our party |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #60 |
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Geek_Girl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:26 AM Response to Reply #57 |
61. I happen to know one person who is a die hard Democrat |
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cornermouse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #57 |
64. He hasn't figured out that he's hoping republicans |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 10:30 PM Response to Reply #64 |
142. Actually, I think he's... |
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CakeGrrl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:32 AM Response to Reply #57 |
68. I disagree - I think there IS some merit to this idea |
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Shakespeare (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:37 PM Response to Reply #68 |
83. Well said. |
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RUMMYisFROSTED (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
70. Half the eligible population doesn't vote. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:04 PM Response to Original message |
77. Maybe. But, the rightwing of the party will still be strong, even without the DLClintons. |
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rodeodance (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:09 PM Response to Original message |
78. So much for the Big tent!! Your OP smells of self-rightous smugness |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
101. The Recs and the over whelmingly positive response to this thread |
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seaglass (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:22 PM Response to Reply #101 |
128. No it indicates there are more Obama supporters on DU than |
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Swamp Rat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
82. Pass the mayo |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 02:53 AM Response to Reply #82 |
153. Pass me some of that! |
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Two Americas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
86. I agree |
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EmilyAnne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 12:47 PM Response to Original message |
87. Excellent post. This is something I have been mulling over for a while. Its happening a lot |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
100. Thanks, I will tell you that Skinner's post was what inspired my thinking |
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sueragingroz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:27 PM Response to Original message |
89. that is probably one of the most offensive posts that i've seen here |
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PoliticalAmazon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
90. This is what happened with the Greens, and the party has suffered ever since.... |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:30 PM Response to Original message |
91. There's another issue. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:05 PM Response to Reply #91 |
98. I think there are race issues, but hearing what others have said, I think |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:15 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. To be clear: I think that array of issues are REAL but |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:18 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. I would agree, that is definately a major factor involved in this transformation |
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knixphan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:31 PM Response to Original message |
92. K,R&B |
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Orsino (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
94. When lobbyists still rule Washington, we're in no danger of fundamental change. |
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closeupready (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
96. VERY looking forward to such a change, to a party that once again looks out for interests of poor an |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 01:55 PM Response to Original message |
97. another naive fool who thinks Obama's 'different.' well, we all live and learn. nt |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:06 PM Response to Reply #97 |
99. I guess not everyone can pocess your "superior" perception and wisdom |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 05:11 AM Response to Reply #99 |
157. well, if O gets elected, we'll all find out the truth. remeber how excited everybody about the 2006 |
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EFerrari (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #97 |
108. I live for the day you can post something without relying on |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 05:03 AM Response to Reply #108 |
155. back. at. you. this whole forum is nothing but one nasty, spiteful, slanderous attack on the clint |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:40 AM Response to Reply #97 |
161. One things for sure, Clinton is the same |
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Vinca (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:10 PM Response to Original message |
111. I think it's a generational change as well. |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
112. Old and busted.. or new hotness... |
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VotesForWomen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 05:06 AM Response to Reply #112 |
156. OMG. jeezus christ, no wonder this country is f*cked. that's the kind of intelligence that's choosin |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
118. Nice slur. |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:18 PM Response to Reply #118 |
119. "slur"????? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:09 AM Response to Reply #119 |
165. SLUR = "you have Hillary supporters who will be leaving the Democratic party." |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
120. If the fundamental change is another huge leap to the right? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:08 AM Response to Reply #120 |
164. (Wrong reply.) |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:20 PM Response to Original message |
127. Uh huh, the liberal left is gonna change the world!! |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:30 PM Response to Reply #127 |
130. Liberals have done it before. They did it in the 30s with the new deal |
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DemGa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:54 PM Response to Reply #130 |
134. Without Clinton supporters you become the fringe end of the spectrum |
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NJmaverick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 08:17 PM Response to Reply #134 |
136. What you fail to appreciate is that it's only a percentage will leave |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 09:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
141. According to the experts, FDR and Obama have something in common... |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 03:08 AM Response to Reply #141 |
154. FDR had more experience though and there was a progressive movement |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:31 AM Response to Reply #154 |
158. No analogy is ever perfect, but... |
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dorktv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 05:49 PM Response to Reply #158 |
187. Outside anti-globalization, I have not seen much |
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Creideiki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:06 PM Response to Reply #141 |
192. There was a big difference between 1928 and 1932. |
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Cha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat May-10-08 06:41 PM Response to Original message |
133. You speak |
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iamthebandfanman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
146. yup, a change in the party |
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Hawkowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:51 AM Response to Original message |
147. Hear! Hear! |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:55 AM Response to Original message |
148. This is corporate bullshit. No unions, no working women, no Latinos means no Dems. |
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Hoof Hearted (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
149. I love the smell of unity in the morning! |
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LulaMay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 02:29 AM Response to Original message |
151. 'Bitter Feminists" who have nowhere else to go & will return? Could you be more condescending? |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:04 AM Response to Reply #151 |
163. There you go again Lula May, Speaking for all pseudo-feminists |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:49 AM Response to Reply #151 |
167. Since when are all women feminists? Since when are all women bitter? |
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WinkyDink (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #167 |
172. The question accurately is, "Are all feminists 'bitter'?" IOW, the OP clearly detests feminists. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
159. We are also cutting the corporate tumor out of the body |
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thunderdog (48 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:54 AM Response to Original message |
168. You had better hipe that Hillary supporters do not leave the Democratic Party. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 10:59 AM Response to Reply #168 |
170. Most won't. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:27 AM Response to Original message |
173. I see that fundamental change differently. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:31 AM Response to Reply #173 |
174. Only if we let it happen to us. Take a look at what one expert had to say... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:37 AM Response to Reply #174 |
175. I believe that "we" are encouraging that to happen |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:50 AM Response to Reply #175 |
177. Are you saying that Progressives purposely refused to choose a Progressive candidate? |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #177 |
178. Almost. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 12:52 PM Response to Reply #178 |
179. When you have a spectrum, you have both ends. It's been a long time since... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 02:33 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. I'm not looking for perfection. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 03:11 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. But my point is that it's not about them. It's about US. And we have an opening here. |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 03:36 PM Response to Reply #183 |
184. Explain the opening. |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 04:03 PM Response to Reply #184 |
186. Did you not read my original post, #174? I'm seeing a motivated and organized... |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 06:02 PM Response to Reply #186 |
188. The FDR reference? |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-12-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #188 |
194. The price of freedom is eternal vigilance. |
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Elspeth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 11:47 AM Response to Original message |
176. "bitter feminists," nomad? Try, "people sick and tired of misogyny." |
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Shine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 02:38 PM Response to Original message |
182. Yes, I think it's undergoing a radical change but not because people are leaving |
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Solon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
185. This is an erronious assumption right here: |
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Darth_Kitten (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
189. Yeah, bye bye women voters.....vote for Obama, it can't kill ya. |
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tekisui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 07:00 PM Response to Original message |
190. KNR!!!! |
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jbm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-11-08 07:55 PM Response to Original message |
191. I'm not seeing change, but I did realize something.. |
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