Who else is WORRIED about West Virginia?

[The Ghost]

Math-wise Im convinced, but watching the Clinton campaign (Hillary, McAuliffe, Wolfson) barrel on like nothing bad has happened to them, something scares me. And this whole Michigan/Florida debacle, and how they are committed to seating them. I dont know, when someone or some group is clearly delusional, there is a reason to be worried that nothing will stop them, nothing will shut them up. And the fact that the MEDIA had basically declared Obama the winner of the entire thing this past Tuesday, I can easily see them changing the story again this Tuesday evening and saying their is a big Hillary comeback, and all those doubts about Obama will rise again. Is this not how the media has worked before, and is in their favor to keep this going on? I mean honestly, lets say Obama reaches 2,025, I can still see Hillary going on, saying FL and MI must be seated and their votes counted, and thus the amount of delegates needed to win the nomination goes back up again (to 2,209 that McAuliffe stated this morning on MTP), and Hillary can keep fighting on. She simply will not stop, I really dont see how/why she would, in her state of mind. And with the media who will constantly change the narrative, I have to say, this is far from over.

[crankychatter]

1. how many delegates in WV? like three or somethin? n/t

[Genevieve]

3. Thanks _

for bringing me back to reality after reading the OP.:-)

[Coexist]

10. 29 delegates - she can win them all and it won't affect the math.

he'll get more supers than that soon.

[Upton]

5. 28 might as well be 3 for all the good it will do Clinton

[rock]

11. 39 I believe for WV

60 for KY

[FARAFIELD]

2. OBAMA GETS TO 2209 EASILY

If they just seat Florida (with the results intact) and Michigan (with Obama getting zero) Obama just has to get 170 of the remaining 256 supers to get to 2209. (thats 2 to 1). This thing is over.

[The Ghost]

13. Ok, with that argument

He has to get a majority of the remaining SD's, *after* the media has turned to Hillary again, and she is leading in the popular vote. Dont you see a problem with this?

I am 100% Obama, I am just being very cautious about this, about people calling this over.

[4themind]

18. The problem is we don't know what the popular vote is

because we don't know the official counts from NV, ID, WA (and one other state) because they have not been released. It's not an apples to apples comparison. The only voter driven metric that DOES do this is the pledged delegate count. So the obama people are competition with hillary on the media narrative for when the race should end, and the pledged-del count is the quickest way to that, and it also has many logical upsides (and no candidate that's been ahead in this count has ever been denied the nomination)Even if florida and michigan are seated, he'll still have the edge in my view, and hillary's campaign is going to run into some very slippery definitions if they try to say what's "close enough" especially if the full michigan delegation is seated. Although I would concede that the non-committed dels from MI may be a problem, but it seems to be split at best, so it may not be decisive.

[roseBudd]

4. Super Delegates are smart people, at stake is not just 2008 but decades of D majorities...

if we were to capitulate to older white voters we are not growing our party.

[Window]

6. Not worried at all.

[mac2]

7. I'm worried this long primary is distracting us from what they

are doing to destroy this country. They do have jobsin the Senate. We don't follow the bills or issues that need to be addressed in our discussions or in the media.

Of-course she won't stop. She has a right to run right up to the convention. She has a right to get her agenda out there. The delegates will decide which agenda and platform is suitable to them.

Hold on...

[zanne]

8. WV means very little. No, I'm not worried at all. nt

[GreenEyedLefty]

9. No worries.

If Clinton insists on being a tool and making up the rules as she goes along, the whole issue will be moot as the Democrats will lose in November.

[rocktivity]

12. Obama has done so well that he needs only 36% of WV

to prevent Hillary from winning by a large enough margin to help her gain delegates. Hillary's "magic number" is 86%, which she'll have to get in ALL SIX of the remaining contests to win fair and square.

:headbang:
rocknation

[pkz]

14. Interesting question~

My friend works in out county's clerk office and yesterday she told me she was exhausted.

Double the amount of absentee voters and triple the amount of early voters.

I think that will bode well for my candidate!

[TexasObserver]

15. Not worried about WV at all. It's a handful of delegates.

Once split, she might net ten delegates.

[4themind]

16. I can't give you much reassurance sorry

Other than to say that the math, is the math and it will end at SOME point (at the latest at the convention, which will probably fuck up our chances but it is what it is. We can't MAKE her stop, she could carry this to the convention even if she lost every state by 99%. It's not over untill either after the convention or until one of them concedes, which ever comes first. No matter what the media says, or what many of us want, those are simply the rules.

I've learned not to worry about too many things that I either can't or won't directly control. At the end of the day, despite what the media says, despite what either campaign says, there will come a time when the math will be inescaple, one way or another, and at that time we'll have a nominee (now whether we fuck things up in the process is to a large degree outside of my control, I hope not). I'd advise you to just strap on your seat belt, and not get too high or too low until everything is official (not that I'm accusing you of that).

[lojasmo]

17. Nope. Not at all.

Clinton will win handily. I do not care.

[madrchsod]

19. .i wonder if either candidate cares about this......

http://www.chimpsternation.com/forum?c=showthread&ThreadID=1293
Mountain-top coal mining _ <- omnibus thread -> - ChimpsterNation


http://ngm.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0603/feature5/index.html
Mining the Summits, Mountaintop Removal - National Geographic Magazine

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6QckGPrQQQ&feature=related
YouTube - Assignment Earth: Appalachian -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FA7TSOEb8uk
YouTube - Hidden Destruction of the Appalachian Mountains


http://www.wesjones.com/death.htm
Death of a Mountain - Erik Reece

http://www.commondreams.org/archive/2007/08/24/3371/
Blood Coal, Not ‘Clean Coal’ - CommonDreams.org

[AllentownJake]

20. What she needs now is a gamechanger

and there aren't any left. She won a state in a landslide she was supposed to win. To be honest. It being a blowout is better because the coverage on Tuesday night will be we called WV for Clinton 5 seconds after the polls close and than they'll all dod the math again and say...nope still losing and than move on to something else.

[MindMatter]

25. Plus they all know this was a forfeit.

Is Obama even visiting West Virginia before Tuesday?

[AllentownJake]

27. I think he's stopping by

On Monday.

[MindMatter]

31. That's perfect. He's giving Clinton an opportunity to go out in a dignifed way

And by making a stop on Monday, he doesn't insult the state.

[windbreeze]

29. doesn't a 50 state strategy mean

all 50 states...just because WV is small, doesn't mean you just walk away and let her have it...not imo...sometimes the additional effort has unthought of benefits...wb

[MindMatter]

30. He'll be there in teh fall, believe me

This was a tactical decision to give Clinton a nice victory she could use as her swan song. If she has any sense and and dignity left, she will take that.

[Aloha Spirit]

21. If you're worried, then start making calls to those folks! Mother's Day started in WV as a

tribute to mothers who lost sons in the Civil War.
Had to get that in there ;-)

[DearAbby]

22. I wonder how many people

after hearing about how Obama has this practically sown-up, would vote for him, simply to vote for the "winning horse" that voting Hillary now would be voting the "loser" that mentality, people always vote the "winner"...or not bother to vote at all, since the nomination is practically secured for Obama.

Human nature.

[Colobo]

23. Everyone knows she'll win there by 40 pts or something.

[MindMatter]

24. Not worried about the nomination. That is over

I am worried about holding on to states like WV in November. But there is a long road ahead of us. Clinton is strong in WV because WV mostly consists of her best demographic, white people with HS education or less. That will be a challenge for Obama to win over because he has not been campaigning in quick slogans and sound bites. He has been making arguments that require reasoning and contemplation. But with 6 months to go, that is time enough for Obama to bring those folks along.

[AllentownJake]

26. No democrat is going to win WV

It isn't racism or any kind of ism. It's coal and people there aren't stupid. We are against burning it because of the enviroment. The GOP isn't. They may elect democratic reps and senate members but they aren't going to believe the clean coal stuff till they actually see the plants.

[MindMatter]

33. If that's how they vote, then they ARE stupid

I realize coal is important to WV. So what? Are you saying that education, health care, jobs, and the environment AREN'T important to West Virginians?

There are a lot of West Virginians who aren't so happy about companies coming in there and blowing off the tops of mountains, putting the workers lives at risk through sloppy safety procedures, trying to duck out of insurance and pension obligations, and in the end, keeping the profits for themselves and handing back a ruined landscape to the natives.

That sucks. How about a party that campaigns on the basis of:

1) Providing better education opportunity so they don't have to stand in line to take the worst jobs because they aren't trained for anything else?

2) Investing heavily to make America the leader in clean-burning coal technology, so that WV's natural assets are in GREATER demand?

3) Making sure that mine safety is a top priority and that a worker who toils a lifetime in those conditions can retire with some security.

Don't be so quick to play by the GOP playbook. Obama doesn't do that. He drives the agenda, and that's why he wins.

[AZ Criminal JD]

35. Bill won in 92 and 96.

[windbreeze]

28. not worried about WV, per se.....however

I am concerned about what plan/s someone may have up their sleeve that we don't know about...She is staying in this race for some reason...I figure by doing so, she is telling the voters that she doesn't really care what they think or want, it's all about what she wants...just like * in 2000...It's important for us not to forget where that type of mindset has taken us in the last 8 years..wb

[CakeGrrl]

32. This is exactly why I wouldn't want her in the VP slot

After all these machinations and all this desperation to be THE nominee, does any really think she would suddenly be content to quietly hang back in Obama's shadow as his second in command?

I sure don't. They're desperate for power and they're disturbing in the lengths they're going to try to grab it.

[graycem]

34. I'm not worried

because despite the media, and whatever spin, the SD's know the score. I think FL/MI will be settled on the 31st, and that will be the end of that, because even with them, she doesn't have enough to overcome his lead. I think she just wants to go out on a high note and save face, and there's nothing wrong with that as long as she doesn't use language to damage Obama. There's no reason really to be excited, I think it's safe to say they're hoping for an Obama implosion. And if he implodes because he wasn't square with us about something that could be that damaging to him, well, that will be his own doing. Really, there's no need to worry at this point. All the SD's are moving in his direction. :shrug:

[aaaaaa5a]

36. Hillary going to WV is like Obama going to the District of Columbia

and everyone knows it.

He just needs 15% of the vote and the campaign will be fine.

Nobody will even remember WV in two weeks when Obama takes the stage as the nominee of our party in Oregon.


And NO! He doesn't need WV in the general election. Obama can get to 270 without carrying WV.