HRC: We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June

[grantcart]

http://www.nypost.com/seven/05232008/news/nationalnews/why_hill_wont_drop_out__bobby_kennedy_wa_112232.htm

HILLARY RAISES ASSASSINATION ISSUE
DEFENDS LONG-RUNNING CAMPAIGN

May 23, 2008 --

Hillary Clinton today brought up the assassination of Sen. Robert Kennedy while defending her decision to stay in the race against Barack Obama.

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Watch a video of the editorial board meeting here.

Clinton made her comments at a meeting with the Sioux Falls Argus-Leader's editorial board while campaigning in South Dakota, where she complained that, "People have been trying to push me out of this ever since Iowa."

Obama, the first African-American to advance so far in the race for the White House, has faced threats, sources have said.

Robert Kennedy, the younger brother of President John F. Kennedy, was gunned down in 1968 after winning the California primary. He had been a hero on the left for his civil rights agenda and calls to end the war in Vietnam.

Barack Obama, who leads Clinton by nearly 200 delegates and has already secured a majority of pledged delegates, has been the subject of threats. Early in the campaign, the Secret Service gave him a security detail at the request of Sen. Richard Durbin (D-Illinois).

Clinton criticized an "urgency" to end the campaign prematurely, saying, "Historically, that makes no sense."

If this is not a misquote then there is something seriously wrong with Senator Clinton's ability to comprehend anymore the meaning of her words or how the party will receive this.

[polichick]

1. PLEASE CALL DEM. LEADERS...

Just contacted Gov. Rendell's office ~ she has to be stopped.

[grantcart]

3. It has to be a misquote of some kind it cannot be true

[polichick]

It was only a matter of time...

She's been saying "anything can happen" for ages ~ they're about to cover it on msnbc.

[Whisp]

28. remember her words to Richardson in that phone call...

'he can't win' or something to that effect - speaking of Obama's electibility.

has a bit of a different flavour now to me. those words.
obviously he IS winning and CAN win, but maybe hillary has some other ideas on the interpretation.

[polichick]

39. I remember that, and wondered at the time how far she'd go to stop him...

Now she's planting ideas for the wackos.

[Whisp]

52. most asassinations

are not by lone wackos - but concerted efforts by the powrs that be to tamp down that nasty left wing socialist populist talk that stirs up the rabble.

[polichick]

56. I know you're right - and I wouldn't put anything past the Clintons.

[REACTIVATED IN CT]

I always interpreted it as "he must not be allowed to win "

not "he is unable to win". I guess it depends on which word was emphasized when it was said

[Whisp]

63. that is how I initially took it as well.

because there is/was no doubt for quite some time now that he Can win.

this latest crazy talk from her reminded me of that line to Richardson - it was a veiled double edged statement open to different meanings and now that meaning is clearer to me.

she will do anything.

[K Gardner]

9. She mentioned RKF a couple of weeks ago.. it was posted about here, but she

stopped short at that time of mentioning assassination, although I personally felt it was implied.

Its obviously been something that's part of the "anything can happen" meme that she and her surrogates have been parroting. DISGUSTING.

[kenny blankenship]

29. I recall that as well

And 100,000 dead Iraqi children ask: What right have any of you to be surprised?

[helderheid]

22. video

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/80522033&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

[K Gardner]

36. Can Someone Post This is Political Video Section??

[helderheid]

94. I tried to download it. I'll keep trying

[roguevalley]

104. there is film. its true. sorry about the disillusionment. its true.

[grantcart]

113. yes the quote is accurate and the tone is appalling

[WinkyDink]

124. Catch the next news.

[PoliticalAmazon]

26. Contact info for Secret Service field offices:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6092149&mesg_id=6092485

[Forkboy]

30. As horrendous as what she said was it's still free speech.

There's no actual crime here...just the crime of her moralistic black hole of a soul.

[PoliticalAmazon]

43. She is encouaging violence against a presidential candidate--

IMO, that is an indication that the SS needs to closely monitor her AND beef up Obama's SS security.

She has the right to free speech, but with rights come respnsibilities. She is responsible for increasing the likelihood of violence towards Obama, and she needs to be monitored because clearly she is mentally unstable, endorsing violence, and she has a lot to gain from Obama's death.

[Forkboy]

46. Do what you want, but this will go absolutely nowhere.

:shrug:

[PoliticalAmazon]

60. I'd rather be safe than sorry...

In the previous instance where I contacted the SS local field office, I was part of a small group that was reaing the FR message board, on shifts, to catch death threats against Gore or anybody else, for that matter.

There were, unfortunately, quite a few death threats. All but one--the one I reported--I didn't think were serious. But the one I thought was serious I had no problem with contacting the SS field office. They appeared to take it seriously, too, especially once they saw that the poster appeared to be signing on intermittently to post from a progression of internet access providers from Texas to Florida.

I have zero tolerance for assassination threats. Too many assassinations have been committed during my lifeime.

[skooooo]

107. she's close enough to the line

...that she needs to shut the EFF up!

[Tatiana]

47. I cannot get through to Bayh. Will try again in a few minutes... n/t

[polichick]

61. Thanks - Bayh's a great one to call!

[Tatiana]

80. All the people that support her, I want to know if they support this latest crap.

We need to know.

[skooooo]

106. Just call any Dem in power you mean??

:shrug:

[Kittycat]

2. Editing out my extreme rage. Let's verify this quote, and make some calls!

[helderheid]

24. Video

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/80522033&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

[Kittycat]

64. Wow! Klinton keeping it Klassy - I see.

What the fuck, was she dropped on her head recently?

[redqueen]

4. That better be a misquote.

Fuckin hell.

[Vinca]

5. You cannot get any lower than this, but I'm not surprised at all. nt

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

6. Bobby died two days before my high school graduation

I remember the sadness at what was supposed to be a happy occasion. Sorry, Mrs. Clinton, but bringing it up and by doing so implying that something like it could happen to Obama is in very poor taste.

[polichick]

7. MSNBC is about to cover it.

[Kittycat]

10. Crap - I'm stuck in a hotel room, with CNN as the ONLY News Station

:banghead:

[polichick]

17. They're all hoping it was a "slip of the tongue" - FAT CHANCE!

[stellanoir]

8. Stop projecting this murderous BS

Consider visualizing our nominee taking his oath of office on January 20th on the Capital steps.

[AspenRose]

11. Agree

Don't feed the energy

[KittyWampus]

15. Thanks, this is Negative Suggestion at it's worst. Obama survived the Media's attempt at a lynching

via Rev. Wright. He survived facing Hillary with both hands tied behind his back.

IMO, Hillary has just committed political suicide IF this is true.

[Arugula Latte]

12. Oh my F'ing god ... Will this horrible woman just go away!

:banghead:

[dflprincess]

13. I wonder what RFK, jr thinks of this.

n/t

[bigtree]

19. You're going to find out that he isn't the least bit bothered

because I'm certain he wouldn't take this statement by Hillary Clinton and twist it into advocating an assassination as posters are implying.

[catgirl]

83. I wonder what ANY of the Kennedys think of this?

A few were supporting her.

[ShortnFiery]

118. I'd particularly like to know the sentiments of Robert Kennedy, Jr.? ... that was damn insensitive

ESPECIALLY since Teddy has just been diagnosed with terminal brain cancer.

HRC is a piece of work. :nuke:

[bigtree]

14. you know what she means, but you want to put the worst spin on it

that's your right, but I think it's overblown nonsense.

[grantcart]

any reference that her campaign should continue because something

like an assassination might take out Senator Obama is a gaffe of unbelievable proportions under the most charitable and kindest of considerations.

At the very very best it is a gaffe. Hopefully, as I have warned from the begining it is a misquote.


If it is not then Senator Clinton has eneded her campaign today.

[TBF]

51. As you will recall Huckabee was forced to apologize for his similar statement, yet you defend Ms.

Clinton?

[Time for change]

103. I'm not sure what she meant by it

What's your interpretation?

[AtomicKitten]

16. My contempt for HRC has reached a new high. Effin hell.

[Franks Wild Years]

20. I apologise for the original title/content of this post.

I have calmed down a bit and while I DO NOT believe Bush to be more honourable than Clinton, I believe that they both occupy a place in the political gutter. Bush, to my mind, has always been there, and Hillary Clinton - someone I once admired a great deal - has sunk to depths I could never imagine over the last few years. Today's comments have upset & angered me immensely. I am just crushed that one who portrays themselves as a good Democrat could sink this low in a primary campaign.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

34. FROM AN OBAMA SUPPORTER:

FUCK OFF.

[redqueen]

42. Enjoy the rest of your stay. (nt)

[AtomicKitten]

45. Um, no. BushCo is in no danger of losing the title of most vile.

[Franks Wild Years]

58. But you EXPECT vile from them.

You don't - or DIDN'T - expect it from her. Somehow it's far, far worse when someone who portrays themself as Clinton does / did emerges as she has done. It feels ten times worse that it's her because, fuck, with Bush it was expected from the get-go, we knew what his style would be. With Clinton, it's like she's sucking all of the respect I once had for her out bit by bit. She's stooped lower than Bush ever did in his primary campaign, so sadly I'd now have to expect that she'd stoop much lower as President. It hurts....ask me five years ago what I thought of Hillary Clinton and wow, this could never have been predicted.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

81. You either don't understand the line you have crossed or are pretending:

"George W. Bush is A FAR MORE HONOURABLE PERSON THAN SHE COULD EVER BE!
Edited on Fri May-23-08 01:17 PM by Franks Wild Years
There's no doubt about that now. For all of the horror he has brought, there is NO FUCKING WAY that he's a patch on this creature. He's an honest, good man in comparison to her."

[Franks Wild Years]

86. Maybe I don't understand.

Maybe I do view someone who always very obviously held an unsavoury right-wing style as more honourable for sticking to that than someone who I once felt on a similar political wave-length to myself falling from grace is the most horrible way. I don't know. My mind is a mess, admittedly. I didn't think she could slip this low. You know what? She was someone I once honestly admired a great deal, and it hurt enough when she tore a large part of that from me with her IW vote. The way she has run her campaign this year has hurt even more....she's projected herself first as a fake, and from there onwards as a character willing to get to the top in the most ruthless, incendiary way possible.

I don't mind retracting the comment about Bush being more honourable, but if she has backed his war as meekly as she has and not shown a tenth of the genuine regret John Kerry did about being duped, run a primary campaign WORSE than he did in 2000, said what she has about Iran and now made a comment so sickening all from the position of being a good, stand-up Democrat looking out for the little guy...how could I possibly say with any great certainty believe that she'd be a better President than he? I just don't know. I'm upset.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

89. You dont understand the level of hatred for Bush here.

The hatred of Bush & the stolen election were the main reasons DU came to be. I completely understand & share the outrage at her assassination statement, but you can't get away with comparing her to the HATED ONE. You just bring out the "Uh you crossed the line" even from an Obama supporter like me. To say he's more honorable, honest & whatever than her, no. You can't rationalize it away.

"I don't mind retracting the comment about Bush being more honourable"

And about him being more honest, etc., that would be a start, imo.

[Franks Wild Years]

91. I apologise.

I know in my heart that I was wrong to word my post as I did, and I don't believe him to be more honourable because there is no honour in him - I hate the man too, you know - but I cannot eloquently express how much it hurts to see Hillary Clinton in the political gutter with Bush.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

93. Wow. Far as I'm concerned, thank you.

:hi:

[Forkboy]

48. Even if she actually killed Obama Bush would still be worse.

[Kittycat]

67. Fail. Enjoy your stay.

As much as Clinton is a fool - * is far, far worse.

[Franks Wild Years]

73. Sorry, but it's about holding people to standards.

I held her to *infinitely* higher standards than I ever would or could a Bush so her fall from grace is ten-times worse than a horrible administration run by a man who we always knew was horrible.

[Leopolds Ghost]

122. Thanks for being sincere -- I hope folks don't overreact

Loose words about the possible death of an opposition figure is indeed
serious. Bush has only done that a couple times -- asking Sen. Webb if
his son was safe in Iraq, for instance. Also, Bush never came out and
threatened to obliterate the Iranian people, I imagine he secretly
wants to legitimize tactical nukes and maybe hopes Iran will set off
Armageddon but he never talked openly about waging total war against
the citizens of another nation. That said, Bush is more evil.
But Sen. Clinton's husband DID eliminate most of the New Deal...

[TBF]

72. Now that is just as crazy. Is there a lunar eclipse tonight or something?

Do you realize how many deaths GWB is responsible for in Iraq - both soldiers and Iraqis? Not even in the same universe. But she is despicable and needs to pull out of the race now. Enough is enough.

[helderheid]

18. VIDEO

http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/80522033&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

:mad:

[grantcart]

105. thks

[NJmaverick]

21. She lacks any morals and/or ethics

she is george bush in a pants suit.

[gmudem]

23. This is indefensible if true

Pelosi, Reid, and Gore need to end this crap now.

[oviedodem]

25. Big spash on Huffpo now: oops.

[WeDidIt]

27. CAN ANY HILLARY SUPPORTER DEFEND THIS???????

I am calling on all Hillary Supporters to denounce this statement NOW!

[Forkboy]

33. They already are.

They have the ideals of a crack addicted weasel.

[redqueen]

57. Look upthread.

It's nothing to get upset about, apparently.

[juajen]

31. I heard this, and it was strictly a reference to the fact that RFK

was still running for the nomination in June. Ridiculous that anybody could read any more into it than that. Ya'll really are running scared, aren't you?

[NJObamaWoman]

53. Reference or not she shouldn't have mentioned that. Again this is more of the Fear mongering that

HRC keeps running her campaign on. Yes this Obama supporter is scared. I've been scared since he announced he was running and has been doing so well this year. I'm scared because I know the history of America. A black person can't catch a damn break. I've always thought that someone might try to harm him and his family. As a christian I pry for the Obama's safe keeping. I'm sad about this from HRC because right now there is a nasty poster floating all around the web depicting Michelle Obama in a horrible way because of her race. These people are black and America hasn't been to nice to black people when they do something good or on the verge of history. HRC shouldn't have said any of this.

[Mimosa]

68. She knows there are crazies out there: she's calling 'em

NJObamawoman, I know what you mean.

This is Indefensible.

HRC revealed what she's secretly been hoping for.

[AspenRose]

78. It's a major dog whistle, all right.

:-(

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

66. :outrage:

"My husband did not wrap up the nomination in 1992 until he won the California primary somewhere in the middle of June, right? We all remember Bobby Kennedy was assassinated in June in California. I don't understand it," she said, dismissing calls to drop out.

Iow, "Can someone lend me a hand?"

Beyond the pale.

[Lone_Star_Dem]

69. That doesn't make any sense

As I said below: Even if Obama were to be found in bed with a dead girl and lose his support before the convention she could always just reinstate her campaign.

To say she won't drop out just in case something bad were to happen to Obama's campaign is not a valid reason to stay in. And I'm not even addressing the assassination thing. I'm erring on the side of caution and currently assuming it was sheer stupidity on her part.

[Leopolds Ghost]

123. If that's the case, why didn't she compare HERSELF to RFK unexpectedly wrapping UP the nom in June?

Because that would suggest she considered herself a potential martyr for the left -- oops!

[Lone_Star_Dem]

32. Wow. I hope that is an error.

If not that's going to be a hard one to defend.

Even IF Obama were to be found in bed with a dead girl and lose his support before the convention she could always just reinstate her campaign.

[ecstatic]

35. Hasn't she mentioned this before (more subtly?)? This is a pattern

of disgusting comments on her end.

[K Gardner]

38. Yes.. a couple of weeks ago. I'm looking for the thread and a direct quote.

[ecstatic]

65. Reporter on MSNBC just talked about it... I don't remember the full quote

but he said she brought up at a fundraiser a couple weeks ago that "RFK tragically won California in June" or something along those lines.

[atufal1c]

37. She has gone off the fucking rails. It's over. NT. (and no words...)

[Kablooie]

40. Is there another source? The NY Post is not to be trusted!

[cliffordu]

41. I just woke up from a nap. Is she pandering to assassins now???

:puke:

Someone needs to run the woman off the campaign trail and take the husband with her.

SHe has NO business in the same party Bobby and John died serving.

[TBF]

54. Just the hard-working white assassins n/t

[Mimosa]

70. Yes. HRC knows those KKK boys are out there...

...I think she's signalling them

BUT she didn't have the brains to keep her mouth shut.

[elehhhhna]

44. Oh. My. God.

speechless

[Jed Dilligan]

49. I'm trying to make this look as good as I can in my mind,

but I'm drawing a blank. Her benefit of the doubt has run out.

[my3boyz]

50. If she thinks there is a chance in hell that Obama would ever choose her she really is insane. nt

[MonkeyFunk]

55. Just another Obama fan

bandwagon of contrived outrage.

This is sinking lower than usual, even for you guys.

[symbolman]

82. You aint gonna spin this one

even as a gaffe its beyond horrific, there are some things you Never say, and this is one of them.. Think a woman can't assassinate?

Ever heard of Squeaky From? SHE tried to shoot Ford..

HRC has plenty of rabid lil ladies as far as the eye can see..

This was a Sick statement, and I hope she's assassinated her own campaign with it.

[phrigndumass]

59. I think she's beginning to say whatever pops into her head

NOT GOOD.

[redstate_democrat]

62. I don't understand why Obama's opposition automatically thinks about

his murder when thinking about his viability. If this had been said about Hillary, her supporters would be in the streets with torches.

She makes me SICK.

[AspenRose]

71. I don't know what to say.

If this is true, this is very, very sad.

Like HRC, BHO is more than a political candidate. He's a husband, a father, a brother, a grandson, and a friend to many.

Where is the humanity....that we can toss around careless words like this and pretend they don't have consequences?

:cry:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

74. Well if Obama dies then we'll know who did it?

what a silly woman

that's why she shouldn't be VP

[Marie26]

75. Could be a misquote

The NY Post endorsed Obama, after all. I *hope* she was talking about the fact that Bobby Kennedy & Bill Clinton both campaigned through June, so it's not unheard of for a primary season to last this long. But, uggggh. It's definitely possible to interpret that as assassination being a reason to stay in the race. She should apologize & clarify ASAP.

[EFerrari]

77. Another accident. n/t

[Marie26]

84. I didn't say that

An accident is a slip; this isn't a slip or a mistake. She said what she said, the only question is the interpretation. Here's the actual interview from SD, if anyone wants to watch it. When I tried to play it, it just stopped midway through.

HRC interview w/Argus editors:
http://www.argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080523/FRONTPAGECAROUSEL/80522033&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

[EFerrari]

87. I have watched it and I didn't put words in your mouth but used my own. n/t

[roseBudd]

76. Beyond the pale

[Phx_Dem]

79. So are all of Hillary's

supporters still proud of this sociopathic vulture? She is beyond vile. And I think she can stick any chance of VP right up her devisive, race-baiting, assassination-wishing ass.

P.S. And shove Diane Feinstein up your ass too, Hillary, for her assinine and comment that Obama should pick the Assassinator as is VP.


(Mrs. Phx_Dem)

[truebrit71]

85. That's it...I 've had enough...this b*tch has to go....

Yeah I said it....She's a bitch...with comments like this there is no other more apt description of her...

FUCK YOU HILLARY!!!

You are no better than Micheal Savage or your husband's new best buddy Rush Limpballs...

Just leave.

[Heather MC]

92. I am a female and i know a Bitch when I see a bitch and Hillary Clinton

is a stone cold old tire ass bitch, who needs to go back under that rock she came from!!

I didn't like the way she acted now i just hate her. How can she claim to be so ready to run this country when she is such a complete fuck up. And her apology was piss poor!

[Poll_Blind]

88. Help me find this audio- how far in is the comment? Anyone?

  I need to hear this with my own ears in whatever context she said it.

PB

[sniffa]

90. Hey, assassinations happen

Nothing to get too worked up over.

:eyes:

[grantcart]

109. just saw the video and she was so detached how unbelieveable

[Leopolds Ghost]

125. "How should I know what might happen? Sometimes things just happen, ya'know?"

[populistdriven]

95. Hardball question for Hillary

Can anyone tell us reasons why a political candidate would invoke assassination as a reason to continue running in a race which there is no mathematical way of winning possible?

[SlipperySlope]

96. K&R

[quantass]

97. Not good Hillary. Huckabee made a mistake based upon conditions but this seemed deliberate.

[David Zephyr]

98. I am shaking with anger and disgust.

How much longer must we tolerate this sick couple and their selfish ambitions.

[grantcart]

111. I want to wrench my clothing like in the OT

[Kaylee]

99. Oh...My...God.

:wow: I just got home and didn't know about this.....I have no words for this woman.

[Shine]

100. Maybe I'm crazy, but I'm willing to give her the benefit of the doubt

I have listened to the clip and it appears to me she simply lumped Bill's win in June with Bobby's assasination in June b/c of the timing. That's it.

They both basically became the presumptive Dem nominees during the same month, which was her essential argument about the "strange sense of urgency".

I don't think she was giving any sort of disgusting veiled warning or anything like that. She quickly apologized when she realized how her comment was obviously interpreted by some.

I think this is all over-reaction, quite frankly.

[iantepoot]

101. In Case You Thought This is Quote Out of Context...

Look at the video. But also, remember that this isn't the first time her campaign has referred to assassination in reference to Barack Obama. She herself has used the RFK mention more than once, and a supporter said:

Jan 8, 2008:
"If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the other candidates to JFK, and he was a wonderful leader," she said. "He gave us a lot of hope. But he was assassinated, and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all of his work and got both the Republicans and Democrats to pass those measures."

Now, this one is somewhat more innocuous. But combine with today's CLEAR statement of rationale for staying in the race, and the pattern is pretty hard to swallow the spin denials.

[ShortnFiery]

119. OMG! That statement by HRC on 8 Jan 2008 used both "assignation" and dissed AA in favor of LBJ

She got herself a two-fer. :puke:

Jan 8, 2008:

"If you look back, some people have been comparing one of the other candidates to JFK, and he was a wonderful leader," she said. "He gave us a lot of hope. But he was assassinated, and Lyndon Baines Johnson actually did all of his work and got both the Republicans and Democrats to pass those measures."

[CakeGrrl]

126. Her statement in January is even more overt and evil

Implying that the current "hope" candidate might be assassinated and that the successor, you-know-who, could prove to be even more successful.

She needs to go. She's craven.

:grr:

[dave29]

102. "Anything Can Happen"

I guess this is one of those anythings that popped in her head.

[Imagevision]

108. Is Hillary implying that perhaps Obama could be assasinated in June? - I just heard this on the TV

[grantcart]

110. CNN Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR4vPuuaAS8

[Imagevision]

112. Hillary has lost all benefit of doubt from this family...

[oberliner]

114. Amazing that the NY Post is being cited here

There are notorious for their manipulative anti-Democrat headlines.

[crickets]

115. Vile. I feel ill.

Clinton criticized an "urgency" to end the campaign prematurely, saying, "Historically, that makes no sense."

Historically, your bid for the presidency (and perhaps your political career) just tanked. Please stop now.

[Generator]

116. Kick

[myrna minx]

117. Please tell me she really didn't really say this.

This is appalling if she did. :-(

[grantcart]

120. The statement is accurate

[NanceGreggs]

121. Kicked, rec'd ...

...