Kerry is really disappointing, unfortunately.

[dissention]

His run to the middle is looking more and more desperate each day. It's as if he sold out us liberals. I know I'm going to catch hell for saying this, but oh well. With every passing week, he makes some sort of new comment that makes him look Republican-lite. Not only did he say that he still would have gone into Iraq (which contradicted what he told Larry King less than a month ago), but now he's also supporting faith-based initiatives. He looks less promising with each passing day. He doesn't want same-sex marriage. He supports the death penalty in terrorist cases. He's now "personally opposed" to abortion. He supported the Patriot Act. He supported No Child Left Behind. Surely you guys can understand why I'm feeling so down about him.

[ewagner]

1. Nice try!

Kerry is running a smart campaign.

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[wicket]

4. Karl Rove is the devil incarnate.

[Meritaten1]

5. No, I think Kerry is great!

He's on the way to defeating Bush and restoring sanity to our government.

[luaneryder]

6. Well then vote for Bush

[Kanary]

7. we're not only supposed to leave DU, we're supposed to leave the party

[FrankBooth]

8. Transparent BS

this election will be won or lost in the middle and you know it.

[Caution]

9. what's amazing is that people start these threads

every single friggin day. It's so irritating. do a search before posting this crap YET again and contribute to one of the other 18,000 threads related to it.

I won't even bother debunking this garbage *again*

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[Swamp Rat]

30. Dammit! Who's been eating rat tails?

Cannibals!

[Worst Username Ever]

11. Don't forget your hat...

[Yavin4]

12. Then Vote For Bush And Enjoy Standing In Bread Lines Or Enjoy

fighting in the moutains of Iran.

[wicket]

20. Amen to that.

[liberalnurse]

27. Good call.

[jackieforthedems]

49. May I Add

and/or bending over for Osama and the goats in Afghanistan.

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[Vickers]

15. Well, whatcha gone do, cowboy?

Vote for that ignorant fuckstick that's in there now?

[displacedtexan]

16. Well, then... there's only one thing to say:

We had spaghetti at our house three times last week.

Lucy Van Pelt

[eleny]

21. I remember that!

What a perfect response.

[wicket]

47. I don't get it?

Sorry if I am missing something....?

[mac56]

63. It's a riff on an old Peanuts comic strip.

Charlie Brown was pouring his heart out to Lucy about spiritual emptiness and despair, as only Charlie Brown can - - and Lucy's oblivious reply in the last panel was the comment about spaghetti.

[displacedtexan]

66. Charlie Brown pours out his little heart to Lucy...

and she says, "We had spaghetti three times at our house last week."

[sangh0]

17. Lots of Americans are disappointed

because Kerry is winning!!!

[fsbooks]

18. Kerry has got my vote.

Maybe I'm not dancing in the street, but I have no problems voting or working for him.

[CarolynEC]

32. That's my feeling, too.

There's just no question that I'm voting for Kerry, and encouraging everyone I know to do the same.

I does upset me when he says things that I don't agree with. But I have to remind myself that, 1) I'm never going to find a candidate who agrees with ME ME ME on every issue, 100% and 2) there's a difference between running for president and being president.

It's all about getting JK in the door at this point. All the rest is Phase 2 of the project.

[Eagle_Eye]

43. Got my vote too

Anybody but bush!

[eleny]

19. BTW

[dissention]

29. You people are cruel and vicious sometimes

I never said I wasn't voting Kerry, I simply said that his candidacy leaves me a bit cold. I didn't know that all liberals were supposed to worship him. I haven't been around here for very long, excuse me if I shoudn't have started this thread. Anyone is better than Bush, but that still doesn't mean that Kerry is fantastic. I would've preferred Kucinich or Braun, but that's obviously not happening.

The viciousness that's exhibited towards people around here reminds me of the FR sometimes. I swear, people couldn't be any ruder towards others. All inclusive, may ass. The minute someone dares criticize Kerry, insults are hurled at them. Grow up.

[wicket]

Read the rules of the forum

I never said I wasn't voting Kerry, I simply said that his candidacy leaves me a bit cold. I didn't know that all liberals were supposed to worship him. I haven't been around here for very long, excuse me if I shoudn't have started this thread. Anyone is better than Bush, but that still doesn't mean that Kerry is fantastic. I would've preferred Kucinich or Braun, but that's obviously not happening.

The viciousness that's exhibited towards people around here reminds me of the FR sometimes. I swear, people couldn't be any ruder towards others. All inclusive, may ass. The minute someone dares criticize Kerry, insults are hurled at them. Grow up.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

Negative attacks are an unavoidable part of any political campaign, and therefore they are permitted against any Democratic presidential candidate. However, once the Democratic party officially nominates its candidate for president, then the time for fighting is over and the negative attacks against candidates must stop. The administrators of this website do not wish for our message board to be used as a platform to attack and tear down the only progressive on the planet with any hope of defeating George W. Bush. Constructive criticism and even outright disappointment with the candidate may be expressed, but partisan negative attacks will not be welcome. If you wish to contribute to the defeat of the Democratic candidate for president, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website. As the election season draws closer, we may expand this rule to include Democratic candidates for other political offices.

[dissention]

48. I read them, here's what it says:

"Constructive criticism and even outright disappointment with the candidate may be expressed"

I posted outright disappointment.

[liberalnurse]

58. You fail to see the truth.....you are in denial.

I believe this is repug flamebait material.

[FredScuttle]

45. We are rude and vicious towards those that repeat lies and bullshit

I couldn't care less what you feel about Kerry....your vote is your decision. But coming in here and repeating the same tired bullshit (the Iraq vote, NCLB, Patriot Act, abortion, gay marriage, etc) will get you a swift kick in the ass.

[Worst Username Ever]

46. No one ever claimed this page was all-inclusive

go read the DU rule board.

on edit:
"However, once the Democratic party officially nominates its candidate for president, then the time for fighting is over and the negative attacks against candidates must stop"

[dissention]

51. Call Randi and tell her that

Tell her to stop spreading the lie that liberals and Democrats are all inclusive. It sure isn't that way around here, it's just vicious.

[emulatorloo]

64. Call Randi and tell her each point in your original post. . .

Repeat it word for word.

And then take to heart her replies to you. . . .

[lukasahero]

68. Touche. (eom)

[Worst Username Ever]

70. What Randi says is irrelevant.

She does not create the rules of a privately owned message board, and you know it.

[Swamp Rat]

50. You're DEFINATELY not going to win over anyone by comparing DUers

to Freepers. Did you read the FAQ? "Grow up?" Well, you'll need to grow a thicker skin if you want to survive here.

Welcome to DU.

[eleny]

53. You can wise up and go read Dem Underground rules

"Negative attacks are an unavoidable part of any political campaign, and therefore they are permitted against any Democratic presidential candidate. However, once the Democratic party officially nominates its candidate for president, then the time for fighting is over and the negative attacks against candidates must stop. The administrators of this website do not wish for our message board to be used as a platform to attack and tear down the only progressive on the planet with any hope of defeating George W. Bush. Constructive criticism and even outright disappointment with the candidate may be expressed, but partisan negative attacks will not be welcome. If you wish to contribute to the defeat of the Democratic candidate for president, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website. As the election season draws closer, we may expand this rule to include Democratic candidates for other political offices."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html#election

Your posting obviously smacks of tearing down the Dem candidate. Wise up.

[liberalnurse]

61. You people???????

Oh, you have separated yourself from the mission of this forum....you are "different" from me and 50,000 other posters...Am I a member of You People" now? Have you always looked at "us" as "You People?

[otohara]

65. What Did You Expect, Really?

we are in the fight of our lives here and by the way - you should have included the fact that you are still voting for Kerry inspite of your really disappointing personal view of Kerry.

If you start a flame bait thread, expect DU'ers to fight back.

Kerry is not the perfect candidate - but he's the only one we've got.

And by the way - Kucinich or Bruan WOULD NEVER HAVE WON, you do know that right?

[dissention]

71. Oh, of course they wouldn't have won.

That doesn't change the fact that I wish one of them had, though. :) I loved the feeling I got when I watched the debates and got to see those two speak. I remember just sitting there and thinking that I'd never seen two politicians in my life with so much integrity, enthusiasm, and positive ideas. The problem was that I couldn't decide which one to vote for in the primary because I loved both of them so much. LOL Hopefully Dennis eventually runs for the senate or something along those lines, and I hope Carol has some position in the Kerry administration eventually.

[Swamp Rat]

22. HAHAHAHA!

What do you mean "us liberals?" Don't you mean "libruls?" Nice try.

Kerry is gonna wipe the floor with GW.

[AP]

23. I guess if winning disappoints you, then Kerry is disappointing.

How 'bout those FL numbers?

[movonne]

24. You are really disappointing...Take a look at bush if you want

disappointment.

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[Tsiyu]

26. Give This Time

He needs to lay low, give * enough rope to hang himself, and then launch an allout media assault in October. We really have no idea what the White House Regime has planned for us, to force us to shoo in their beast, so let this thing play out before you give up on Kerry. He is our best hope right now.

[arwalden]

28. Yes yes yes... vote for Nader... vote for change... make a statement...

I see where this is going.

(yawn)

-- Allen

[zulchzulu]

31. Two questions for you

1. Who did you support during the primaries?

2. Where do you get your news?

[dissention]

59. Sure

1. I supported Kucinich.

2. Various places. The latest breaking news board on here, the DU RSS feed, Media Matters, Counter Punch, Campaign Desk, etc. Lots of places. :)

[kentuck]

33. Did he ever return..No, he never returned....?

to the scene of the hit and run....

[dissention]

36. Yup

Post #29

[WilliamPitt]

34. You're right. It's all useless. I'm voting Bush.

[Worst Username Ever]

37. I'm with you! This post finally convinced me.

/sarcasm

[pberq]

35. Where's the opposition party?

Of all the really terrible things Bush has done, none is worse than the Iraq war. That means that is where he is most vulnerable, and Kerry could use that to his advantage.

Why does Kerry feel the need to support this insanity? I really wish him well and will work to get him elected, but there are millions of Americans who think the Iraq war was and is a big mistake. So why not tap in on this? I'm baffled.

Also, what about the 50% of people that did not vote in 2000? What incentive is there for these people to vote this time when, at least on foreign policy, Bush and Kerry are in agreement in principle?

See this article in the Toronto Star:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1092175810357&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

[dissention]

42. Thank you...

for not biting my head off and being nice, unlike these others. Thank you!

[prolesunited]

67. So we're just a bunch of meanies

and only those that agree with you are nice. :eyes:

If you come in here posting RW talking points, you're going to get smacked. Deal with it.

If you're sincere, perhaps you would be better off lurking a bit and learning as much as you can before posting. That way, you would be able to dissect the lies and distortion before embarrassing yourself by posting such nonsense.

[dissention]

73. Not at all

I just found it a bit off-putting when people told me to go f*ck myself. I mean, no one has to agree, but hopefully people have a bit more decency than to say things like that. All I was trying to express was that Kerry is disappointing me. I'm still voting for the man because ChimpCo needs to get the pink slip, but I still can't help being disappointed. That's all.

[displacedtexan]

72. JK did not vote to start a war.

Time to do some homework, folks.

[dissention]

75. I know

but Bush didn't need Kerry's approval. I can understand that Kerry was lied to, the whole country was. But the fact that he still authorized to use force leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

[quinnox]

38. You're right, it's going to be very disappointing for Bush and

those who support him when Nov. 2 rolls around.

[lukasahero]

39. No I can't understand why you feel that way

Primarily because your post is chock full of RW talking points - NOT facts.

"Not only did he say that he still would have gone into Iraq" - Nope, that's not AT ALL what he said. Since there are about 500 posts on this board discussing this, I'm not going to bother giving you the facts - go look 'em up.

"doesn't want same-sex marriage." - His position on same-sex marriage is nuanced. He actually doesn't believe "marriage" should be a government contract. He believes it belongs in the church and that civil unions belong in the govt. Realizing of course that this is never going to happen, he believes that these rights should be determined by each individual state. HIS home state is the only one in the nation that legally reconizes gay marriage. And he WILL NOT allow bigotry to be written into the Constitution.

"He's now "personally opposed" to abortion" - Sorry but, again, he has always been "personally opposed" to abortion. He has always made it clear that his position is that one person's faith and beliefs do not and will not supercede the laws of this country.

You can "dissent" all you want, but make sure you do it with your facts straight.

[pberq]

69. Facts

Did Kerry say this or did he not?

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1092175810357&call_pageid=968256290204&col=968350116795

<snip>
Rising to Bush's bait, Kerry said he would have cast the same Yes vote in Congress that he did on Oct. 11, 2002, to authorize the president to launch a pre-emptive war that began March 19, 2003, even if Kerry had known that Saddam Hussein had no ties with Al Qaeda terrorists, no weapons of mass destruction and posed no real threat to the world.

"I believe it's the right authority for a president to have," Kerry now says. Only he would have used that power more "effectively."

This amounts to a sweeping claim by Kerry that America has carte blanche to make war on even bogus grounds, and in defiance of the United Nations and world opinion, so long as the war is waged effectively.

<snip>

All this is baggage Bush should carry to the polls, alone. But Kerry has just re-endorsed his misguided policy, if not its clumsy delivery.

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[Worst Username Ever]

62. Not to mention

the spelling errors. Every time, without fail. "Dissension."

[liberalnurse]

41. Abortion is a private choice.....

As a practicing Catholic, I agree with Kerry....but make no mistake, I and Kerry support the right to Choose....there is a difference. I would never control what another wants to do with his or her body or personal choice except prevent suicide.

Christian Fundings don't know the difference; nor do you.

[WI_DEM]

44. I'll be more disappointed if Bush is selected again

I'll take Kerry, warts and all over pure evil.

[Democat]

52. Bad username, bad post

Very interesting.

[michigandem2]

54. ahhhh knock it off...look at this country will ya? nt

[Old and In the Way]

55. This thread is really disappointing, unfortunately.

But I expect to see lots more of this baloney as the poll #s for Dimson continue to slide.

[Walt Starr]

56. What's more dissapointing is finding attacks on Kerry on DU

I come here to get away from this shit, and here it is again.

:eyes:

[Cuban_Liberal]

57. Presuming to speak for all liberals, are you?

I'm liberal, and your thoughts and sentiments about Kerry and the campaign are not mine.

[Worst Username Ever]

60. PS "dissention" is spelled "dissension."

[West Coast Democrat]

74. I heard that dissent and commentary had merged to form dysentery

....that's from Woody Allen.

[Moderator]

76. Locking

too many PAs
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