No way in hell the questionable elections in Florida and Michigan should decide the nominee

[CreekDog]

The elections were flawed, people were told they wouldn't count and now they are being used to dispute our likely nominee's claim on the nomination.

It stinks.

To decide that they should count in some way is one thing, but to have the entire nomination essentially come down to one, especially Michigan's extremely flawed primary, will make this party look like an even bigger laughingstock than it does already.

There is a problem in not counting them, i freely admit that, but there is a greater problem in counting them so that they are the *decisive* vote in the entire primary season. so while there is no perfect solution, there are worse solutions and *worser* solutions:

1)counting Michigan's votes as decisive in giving Hillary a margin of victory
2)counting Michigan and Florida's votes in the name of fairness and listening to the voters only to argue that the Superdelegates should now decide based on that rather than what all the other voters have said.
3)deciding it's unfair to not count Michigan's votes but that is it's totally fair to exclude from that metric: Iowa, Washington, Nevada and Maine --and not freaking admit it.

And there are no fair solutions either, but most unfair are as follows:
1) Elevating 2 states over 48 others is unfair.
2) on the popular vote to include 2 states votes (Michigan and Florida) while excluding Iowa, Washington, Nevada and Maine as a decisive authority on whom the superdelegates should choose.
3) Giving primary states upwards of 5 to 6 times as much influence as most caucus states (via popular vote) and giving many other caucus states zero influence in the nomination.
4) unfair to voters in Michigan who chose to vote for Obama but could not or stayed home after being told the vote "would not count".

What this all means that if the argument for giving the nomination to Hillary comes from the above arguments, then the arguements in favor of giving it to her are decisively worse for the party than giving it to her, the arguments completely unfair to 4 or 5 states, by any measure, unfair to 48 states and partly unfair to voters in one state who couldn't vote for their candidate of choice.

What Hillary is arguing as the "fair" solution is actually more unfair than all the alternatives.

[marmar]

1. They won't.

n/t

[cliffordu]

2. Yep, they won't

[CreekDog]

3. i hope you are right and i think you are right

but that someone wants this is enough to upset me. :hi:

[cliffordu]

5. If the DNC doesn't enforce the rules, the party is dead.

[TahitiNut]

4. Michigan has NO legitimate 'delegates.' Period.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6159157

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

6. You don't get a "ten dogs fucking in the park" reference every day.

Bonus.

[TahitiNut]

7. Sometimes, I mix my metaphors and euphemisms somewhat thoroughly.

:evilgrin:

It's Army 'training' ... another time when standard English was just not enough. If I recall, that was an ad hoc combination of "cluster-fuck" and "fucking the dog" in the venue of a "circle-jerk." Mix thoroughly. That's what came out.