"Political Judo", "Ignore Polls", "email CNN is best you can do"

[Mick Knox]

With all due respect to a Kerry Staffer, MY ASS!

Keep "ignoring polls", keep playing "political judo", take a strong base here on DU and dispatch them on a job we already do, contacting the media! Thats the best we can do for you guys? Laugable nonsense.

We need to use a "Political Jack Hammer"; not Judo. Its time to ATTACK.

Can you tell me a national election that was won by defense? Surely, as a staffer, you know the numbers. How many exactly?

While you guys are sitting around figuring out vaction dates and putting out little press released on your website, the liars of the swift boats are beating you to pieces. LUCKY for you Carville and Mathews didnt pull punches, because lord knows you guys sure are.

While you guys are saying "ignore the polls", the very poll that is frankly, pretty damn good at predicting elections has you losing. LOSING. Every day I hear no prez has ever lost who has the rating * does.

Hear that? NONE have ever lost standing where shrub is on this very day.

Oh thats right, lets ignore that.

I'm sorry Mr. Strategiest, but you have a strategy that can very well result in a loss. Stop being defined by B*Co, stop being behind the power curve. Stop responding to their attacks (weakly) and start attacking.

Or dispatch us on another task, what we are going to do when * is being sworn in again for 4 more years.

Bah!

[Itchinjim]

1. A-friggin-men!

Time to take it to them!

[Democat]

2. Bush has a two fronted strategy, we have one front

Bush is doing two things. He is trying to take down Kerry's support while, at the same time, building up his own support.

Kerry is doing only one thing. He's trying to build up his own support.

Which strategy sounds more effective? Letting your opponent have a free ride or hitting him hard and often?

The Democrats need to be on the offensive, instead of always playing defensive.

At this time in America, people want a strong leader. Kerry needs to show people he's strong by standing up to Bush more. Letting Bush kick you around does not show strength.

[molly]

3. What do you plan to attack?

"Can you tell me a national election that was won by defense?"

CLINTON

[NYCGirl]

10. Unfortunately, this time around, we don't have Perot to draw 20% away

from the GOP like he did in 1992.

[qanda]

4. I feel very frustrated also

If John Kerry plans to implement the very same policies as George Bush then why do we need a change? Listening to the reporter from the UK on C-SPAN this morning really made me ill. He was talking about how Kerry wants to keep most of the Bush* foreign policies in place and just reach out more to other countries. Well, that just WON"T DO!!!! We cannot be the world's policeman! We cannot continue to act like everything Israel does is right-- it's not! We cannot continue to occupy Iraq and think things are going to fall in place because Bush is no longer president!

If Kerry is going to continue the Bush policy of, I cannot and will not admit I made a mistake then we are in for trouble. Why can't Kerry just say that I voted to give George Bush the authority to make the right decision and now I see that trusting him was a mistake? This making nicey nice with these evil people is going to get the Democrats creamed in November and Kerry will only have himself to blame.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

11. Arrêtes tes conneries

[qanda]

18. Whatever

:eyes:

[emulatorloo]

32. JK foreign policy is not the same as GWB's just because a reporter said so

EOM

[Meshuga]

5. To DS defense...

He didn't tell us that political judo is the answer for everything. It was the answer for that specific issue which I welcome the Bush clan to bring that up so we can talk about his vietnam war record.

Anyway, personally I think it's stupid for Kerry talk about the swift boat issue since it won't matter. The issues will matter! We have Bush's record in the past three-plus years in our favor.

[BeatleBoot]

7. Thank You!

:D

[liberalnurse]

6. I find Dem Strategist to be quite insightful.

Rage will not get the attention our passion desires. I feel empowered by the group effort! "Political Judo" can erode at the GOP shames/lies and distortions....Like a steady laser beam!

I always felt a 6th sense of being"used" when I respond to one of the polls, as they load the questions in order to manipulate the results. Secondly, the polls are talking point instruments of the media to only be announced when they have their expected outcome!

I am in total agreement and am enlisted as an active "Political Judo Black-belt".

Think, be methodical and calculatiing...channel that rage into productive ammunition.

[BillZBubb]

28. Ammunition ain't worth shit if it's still in the chamber!

The problem that many of us see (and have seen too many times before), is that the Democrats have a huge stockpile of ammunition to use against the Repugs yet we never even fire off a round in the battle.

The Repugs blast away with concentrated disinformation, innuendo, and outright lies while us high minded but disorganized Democrats and liberals try to limply parry the blows without responding in kind.

"We don't have to sink to their level"--the battle cry of losers.

Fire the ammunition in major, coordinated, and continuous salvos. Show no mercy and no remorse!

[bushwakker]

8. Count me in

like we all haven't been emailing news outlets about bias for years. they dem strat sounds like he or she just got into politics. al gore lost in 2000 because of the media - why the kerry campaign is not ready to deal with the built in media bias is beyond me.

[BeatleBoot]

16. I think they are asking us to help...

Even more than we have already.

Two months to go.

You want Bush in the White House four more years?

[bushwakker]

19. I lobby people for every vote I can

this week at work I passed out several pro Kerry articles to "on the fence colleagues". that said I have not found dem strat's posts to be confidence-inducing. i mean is this person just realizing that the gop controls the beltway media agenda?

[BeatleBoot]

22. I think his/her message is...

To hold the media accountable.

Look, I love to watch polls on cable news. Its fun.

But I think what Dem Strats is saying is that we only have 60 days to go and its gonna get bumpy and WE NEED TO STAY FOCUSED.

Our best way to help Kerry right now is to mobilize and hold the media accountable.

Its not a jigsaw puzzle. It's pretty simple.

By the way, thanks for all of your work that you mentioned - you rock!

[Meshuga]

27. Gore did not lose in 2000

Besides, Bush was in better shape in 2000 then he is now! Look at his record! Gore didn't have the goods that Kerry has now and you will have to wait until the debates (closest to the election) for Kerry to give the final blow.

If negative adds are so effective then you don't need to worry. Michael Moore is releasing F911 on video just before the election... :-)

[KittyWampus]

9. I Just Started A Thread Suggesting We Stage A Massive Protest At CNN

at their headquaters in Atlanta during the RNC rather than massing in NYC.

And frankly the original post to this threads sounds like useless, uninformed bitching.

[DemWitch]

12. I know this sounds underanded and all, but...

Kerry and Edwards said they were going to run a positive campaign. They didn't say anything about the DemOperatives. Look at Shrubya. He didn't condemn the swift boat ads, but can sit there and say he had nothing to do with it, hence keeping his sweaty little paws nice and clean.

The Dems need to get Carville, Begala, Brazille, Podesta, and a few others out there to really go PitBull on Shrubya's ass. Let the Ops do the dirty work. Let Shrubya Inc. be on the defensive for a while, defending himself against and and all allegations, true or not. Meanwhile Kerry and Edwards can continue thier campaign in a positive mode.

Sorry, but if every voter were even minded and researched the facts before voting, then running a strictly positive campaign would be fine, but they're not, and 40% will believe the crap spewed by the right and take it as gospel. Dems need to fight back.

[OSheaman]

13. I'm going to have to agree here

Being positive in campaigns is as effective to voters as being "intelligent" and "funny" is to women (ladder theory; no offense, girls).

Everyone says that they want to run a positive campaign. Everyone argues that negativity turns off voters. Unfortunately, the negative attacks are the ones that are the most memorable and are most likely to stick with the voters come election day. The Kerry campaign needs to start hitting Bush where it hurts.

I encourage you to watch "An American President" with Michael Douglas. I think the message there is one the Kerry campaign needs to hear.

[senseandsensibility]

14. Thank you

for stating clearly what bothers me about DS. His or her ivory tower approach does not seem to have any sense of history. He or she does not seem to be aware of the results of taking the high road in the past, or even of what happened just four short years ago.

[BeatleBoot]

15. We Are The Populace - We Are The Voters

We are the masses!

Let the Pros run Kerry's campaign.

We need to hold the media accountable for the next two months.

We need to show support for Kerry on the street.

Let's try to get every vote we can. Let's get active NOW!!

Hold The Media Accountable!

The Future Does Not Belong To Fear - It Belongs To Freedom!

[Catt03]

17. He/She is just trying to direct the energy

Maybe this board is too wide, so to speak as are Democrats

The right has it down pat; God, War, Terror and Machismo...narrow and on point.

The left has everything else including; God, War, Terror and Machismo in many different degrees..

[BeatleBoot]

23. Bingo!

I swear its like herding smoke sometimes...

[no name no slogan]

25. But that's the PROBLEM

...the campaign has been trying to "out-macho" the right on the God/War/Terrorism issues. BOTH parties are offering up nearly IDENTICAL foreign policies-- except that the K/E one somehow includes getting more of our allies on board for our continued imperialist follies.

The American people are not nearly as stupid as the pundits and pollsters want us to believe. People DO pay attention to foreign policy issues, and they know that our policies overseas do more to alienate the world than to win them over.

Many people clearly give a damn about not only stopping terrorism, but PREVENTING it in the first place. Neither party is really even TALKING about this issue, other than providing more funding to "win" the so-called "war on terror". Neither party is addressing the fundemental problems with organizations like the WTO, that deliberately hamstring developing countries who try to provide for the basic needs of their people instead of the needs of export markets.

And it's not just "the left", either! Many social conservatives and libertarian-leaning conservatives feel that our present foreign policy is not just untenable but immoral. They also know that the days of the American Empire are long past, and that we cannot pretend that our incredible might is the solution to what ails the world.

I am still hoping that K/E will come out with a TRUE opposition foreign policy this year, one that's better than the current "mine's bigger" fear-based mentality of who will do a better job "winning" this so-called "war", one that believes in getting out of Iraq sooner rather than "eventually". One that acknowledges our history in the world as the cause for so much anti-Americanism today. I HOPE I don't have to wait until 2008 to hear this...

[Mick Knox]

20. Negative Campaigns WORK!

Sad - but true.

Us DU'ers know the facts.. Joe six pack dont. What he knows today, thanks to a lack of response, is that JFK received his PH's and medals for a scratch. THATS WHAT THEY HEAR. Thats what they believe.

We know the facts.

Joe Six Pack who barely listens hears only the quick sound bite. He doesnt go to JohnKerry.com and read the truth; they hear their truth from the TV. What stands out when they listen is the negative. Even if someone is loudly defending, they walk away saying "man he got his medals for a scratch?".

We need attack.

Protest CNN all you want. It don't mean squat to them unless it affects the $$$. If fact, you protesting may make them $$$ and they may enjoy it.

The record is there... 911, Jobs, AWOL, Death, Destruction, Economy

Get on the $#%$#% ball.. the ball is in YOUR court.

The polls after the GOP Convention will show him with a huge boost. McCain (and you idiots who LOVED McCain a few months ago) hugging GWB! Reap what you sew when he suckered you. But McCain never suckered me, not for a second.

Ugh, I'm so pissed my eyes are crossed. I hope Dem Strat either goes away or begins making sense. Dont give us BS your too busy to answer the ???'s... or tell us we are playing Checkers while Kerry is playing Chess.

Well while you are playing Chess, * is playing "Kick the crap out of you".

It is beyond all logic and reason, it is unfathomable that * is leading in any poll or anywhere NEAR JKerry. Ole Truman was at about 35% right now and he won. The office and incumbancy is powerful. Add snake Rove to the mix and they are deadly.

again I say BAH!

[chuck555]

30. It sure worked for Dean.

He blew up on the launch pad. Get out of the cable tv sewer. Joe six pack never heard a thing about it. Kerry has weathered 90 million dollar's of negative ads and he has continued to improve. He is over 300 in every poll. Bush has to defend states he thought safe. The cheap shots are proof of the demise.

[rumguy]

21. Bush and Co. are stuck in a morass

They are stuck and flailing in the swamp of Iraq and a foundering economy.

The more they flail the further in the sink and the more inane they look.

Meanwhile Kerry is running a clean and well-organized campaign.

But I do think there will be a time for Kerry to strike back.

[Julien Sorel]

24. I've always known there were a lot of

fucked up people at DU, but just how many, and just how fucked up they are, is a number that I'm constantly revising -- upwards, unfortunately.

[patdem]

26. Its the media stupid! No matter what Kerry does/says attempts if the

media does not report it...it is moot!! Democrats are like trees falling in the forest with no one to hear it!!! It does not happen...


ITS THE MEDIA STUPID..AND WE NEED TO FOCUS LIKE A LASER ON THE MEDIA TO GET THE MESSAGE OUT!!!

[Mick Knox]

29. OHH GREAT IDEA!

Too bad theres only a couple of months left or we might be able to actually change the entire face of corporate media.

Laughable - a joke.

YOU CANT DO IT.

It wont happen. Even if you COULD change it, you sure as hell can't do it before the election. DREAM ON!

If Kerry says it, they will report it. If they wont report it, buy Ad time to say it.

Run the ads showing the people who lost their jobs.. run the ads showing whats going on in Iraq, run the ads show * snorting coke while Kerry was fighting for his country. Show him in a bar.. contrast it to Kerry.

[emulatorloo]

33. LTTE LTTE LTTE LTTE LTTE - that is what we can do

Hold CNN accountable sure.

But the main thing that we can do is write guest editorials and Letters to the Editor to local papers.

[Placebo]

31. "political JACKHAMMER not JUDO"

Ha, classic but true.

[Keirsey]

34. sensationalism

The media eats up/depends on sensationalism.

Let the 527s go at Dubya on AWOL/desertion charges, Cheney and Halliburton, Rumsfeld on Torturegate, etc.

[ItsThePeopleStupid]

35. You must have read a different post than I did

What I read was D_S saying political judo was *sometimes* a good tactic.

And your tactic is: *always* use hand-to-hand combat, take no prisoners, balls out.

Do you think that might be a little simplistic? Is that what you think Rove does?

You must really like the * foreign policy then.