I'm sorry. I'm sorry to the vast majority of extraordinarily reasonable Clinton supporters. But...

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

...she CAN'T have it both ways. She can't get away with it. Either she's a progressive feminist or she's not.

She can't bask in the media's holding the door to the presidency for her to walk through and then complain when our Party asks her to earn her way in. She can't argue she's representing women and children when she voted for a war that has claimed hundreds of thousands of them. She can't argue she has earned the right to be on the ticket, when she's spent the last three months trashing the top of that ticket using the most despicably racial and gender-based divisive tactics imaginable. She doesn't get to withhold her support for the democratic nominee without being held accountable by all women and men for it. After all, any other candidate would be held accountable. She doesn't get to pretend the race isn't over, when it effectively has been for two months, merely because she represents women who want her to stay in it. Biden, Kucinich, Edwards all had women supporters who wanted them to stay in, but those candidates saw the writing, knew what was realistic and best for the party, and left the race. She doesn't get to tarnish a night that should have been one of unmitigated celebration for its history-making nominee, a night that should've begun the celebration of our party's unity. Can you imagine the outcry if the African American guy withheld his support for HER if she clinched?

This whole "she has to have time to process this" is a load of crap that ultimately is incredibly degrading for women. Did anyone talk about how any men needed time to "process" their losses? This little sub-meme her supporters are pushing on her behalf only implies women look indecisive and emotional and unable to come to terms with reality as quickly as men do. What might have happened if something truly tragic happened after she were elected? Would the nation have to wait for her to act, because she needed time to process her emotions? Of course not. The notion is ludicrous, silly, outdated, stupid, and bigoted. Yet she can hem and haw for a few days, bask in what somehow became HER night, and have the nation watch and wonder what she'll do next.

Now she intends to wedge her way into a VP slot that would result in the ONLY outcome that would turn-out the vote and massive money for John McCain in November. This power play has nothing to do with what's best for the party and only works if we buy another sub-meme of her supporters: that she's earned her way onto the ticket. If that were the case, the Party rules would have placed the second place finisher automatically on the ticket. Carter-Kennedy would've been a bumper sticker. Instead, we as a Party try to pick a ticket with a VP that actually compliments, strengthens, and supports the ticket.

Obama-Clinton-Clinton: the republican dream ticket.

So WHAT IS SHE, in the end? A progressive feminist who wants what's best for nation, even if it means she places her ambition second? Or is she a Bush-like power-grabber, intent on attaining whatever she can attain by whatever republican means possible no matter the damage to the country? Is she a progressive feminist who would do anything to ensure the safety of Roe v. Wade--or is she just like the worst stereotype of a man?

[wowimthere]

1. K&R... This, give her time is a LOAD of crap! Correct!

[havocmom]

3. Yep. She hasn't been able to bring in the $$ to keep going for some time now

THAT is a reality many other candidates faced and faced gracefully. She lost support, donors, the primary and she still needs time to chart her course? She ain't dealing with the reality that her ship sank. No course to chart.

Get in line to support the DEM nominee, Hillary, or shut up about being a DEM. You lost the feminist claim long ago by proving you would say anything to advance Hillary, even when it set back WOMEN.

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

9. and the little boy who sold his bike. For her. Multi-millionaire.

[roguevalley]

12. most of the hillary supporters in this country are reasonable and

democratic and decent. they wanted to vote for a woman. they did. now they will vote for the candidate. that it is a historic figure is icing on the cake.

The let her grieve/adjust, etc is crap. no other candidate did or has. name one. this makes women look bad, crafty, mean, 'delicate', weasily and untrustworthy. she is am embarrassment.

[SoCalDem]

21. Yep.. bring in the fainting couch..the little lady needs a lie down

and some salts...:puke:

[redqueen]

2. Thank you. The infantilization of Hillary Clinton is downright insulting.

Ugh.

[K Gardner]

4. K&R.. excellent point !

[NanceGreggs]

5. Excellent piece!

Thanks for expressing what so many of us are thinking right now, and doing so with such insight.

:kick: & REC'D!

[Independent-Voter]

6. Kick. Great post

[helderheid]

7. Thank you SO MUCH for this post.

[Terran]

8. Well said.

The part about her needing to "process" yesterday's results. I'm sorry, but there is NO REASON she could not have simply conceded last night. It would have been her saving grace, but she couldn't even do that right. It's been months now that her loss was a sure thing, she doesn't need any more time to "process". And conceding doesn't close the door, by ANY means, on a possible VP bid--not that I want that, but she seems to want it now.

[ProSense]

10. Excellent, on that note: "Oh the agony!"

Oh, the agony!

by SusanG
Tue Jun 03, 2008 at 04:54:05 PM PDT

Watching CNN with David Gerson and James Carville and Lou Dobbs expressing so much concern about the pain the Clintons must be feeling, and how hard they fought and how absolutely emotionally devastating this has been for the former president and first lady, I have to ask:

Does anyone remember this much concern being expressed about how personally devastated Al Gore and his wife must have been after winning the popular vote and being strung out for weeks and weeks and then having the office handed to George Bush by the Supreme Court? I sure don't.

And to reiterate your point:

This whole "she has to have time to process this" is a load of crap that ultimately is incredibly degrading for women. Did anyone talk about how any men needed time to "process" their losses? This little sub-meme her supporters are pushing on her behalf only implies women look indecisive and emotional and unable to come to terms with reality as quickly as men do. What might have happened if something truly tragic happened after she were elected? Would the nation have to wait for her to act, because she needed time to process her emotions? Of course not. The notion is ludicrous, silly, outdated, stupid, and bigoted. Yet she can hem and haw for a few days, bask in what somehow became HER night, and have the nation watch and wonder what she'll do next.

Exactly!

[City Lights]

11. Great post!

Recommended.

[Adelante]

13. Thank you, thank you, thank you

:thumbsup:

[butterfly77]

14. Exactly..

[livetohike]

15. K&R and thanks for saying what I feel -she's an embarassment

I hoped she would show some class and grace last night, but I was disappointed. I hope every one of her SDs leave her this week.

[Starbucks Anarchist]

16. Agreed.

This was one of the main reasons I didn't support her (though I would if she was nominated) -- her fighter/victim mentality. She can't have it both ways.

[Shae]

17. There is no reason that she should need time to process

her loss. She has never once been in the lead since the primaries began!

[StevieM]

18. Everything you just said is false and dishonest. And it is why our party is divided. When Obama

loses, it will be you who is to blame.

Of course, you will simply blame Hillary.

Steve

[AnarchoFreeThinker]

19. do you have an actual counterargument?

[loyalsister]

20. She is using stereotypes to her advantage

"Did anyone talk about how any men needed time to "process" their losses? This little sub-meme her supporters are pushing on her behalf only implies women look indecisive and emotional and unable to come to terms with reality as quickly as men do."

If anyone who was not a supporter had said this or mentioned it with exasperation, they would be accused of sexism.

A suggestion that she is being "placeted" would bring out that accusation as well.

I am very confused by her behavior. I am not ready to get on board with the narcissism.

I don't think she has abandoned all good intentions, but if one looks at her career honestly she has more frequently and more openly associated herself with the white male power structure much more than feminism.