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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:34 PM Original message |
My understanding of FISA bill... tell me where I'm wrong |
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Max_powers94
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
1. There are trolls every where...remember that |
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JeffR
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
2. I'm afraid you're wrong and you'd better vote McCain to make amends |
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underpants
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
3. If this is correct then I have a much better understanding of why O voted yes |
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writes3000
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:37 PM Response to Original message |
4. I'm disgusted by the TROLLISH behavior I'm seeing here. Unbelievable. n/t |
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Growler
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
6. Agreed. n/t |
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villager
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #4 |
8. I agree. These "apologize for caving to Bush" trolls are unbelievable... |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:38 PM Response to Original message |
5. Federal officials were already required to get FISA court approval... |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:39 PM Response to Reply #5 |
7. And today's bill means Bush can no longer do so.... HOW is that "gutting" the 4th amendment? |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:43 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Phone companies have no motive to say No to any official... |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:46 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. I thought the bill only had no RETROACTIVE immunity.... not immunity for FUTURE acts.... |
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MrCoffee
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:48 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. There's no need for future immunity...the bill immunizes the telecoms in the future |
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woolldog
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Wrong. It immunizes them for acts committed withint a certain time frame |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. EXACTLY. |
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hfojvt
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. it sets a precedent for future acts |
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MrCoffee
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:56 PM Response to Reply #22 |
27. You are right, I misspoke. Now that the surveillance orders are legal, there's no |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
29. The bill stops states from enforcing their privacy laws. |
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woolldog
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:49 PM Response to Reply #29 |
42. There's nothing unusual about federal preemption in this area. |
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Eric J in MN
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:54 PM Response to Reply #42 |
44. We've had FISA since 1978 without that. NT |
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woolldog
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Wed Jul-09-08 05:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
48. What would be the point in Congress giving the telco's immunity |
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Eric J in MN
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Thu Jul-10-08 09:09 AM Response to Reply #48 |
49. Telling states to stay out of phone companies and ISPs... |
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Larkspur
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:42 PM Response to Original message |
9. Glen Greewald smacks Obama and the Dem Congressional leaders over this awful bill |
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MrCoffee
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
10. Unfortunately, you're wrong on #1 |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Isn't that better than NO FISA oversight at all? (the situation of the past year) |
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MrCoffee
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. No, it's not... |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:47 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. Doesn't it force the administration to jump through a hoop, however small, that they've |
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MrCoffee
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:50 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. But the hoop is meaningless... |
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On the Road
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:01 PM Response to Reply #10 |
32. The Government, However, |
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madura
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
12. thank you so much for clarifying! |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:45 PM Response to Reply #12 |
14. the bellyaching is a) because evil telecoms are getting away scot free for past behavior and b) |
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madura
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #14 |
35. scot free re: civil suits, not CRIMINAL suits against them, that is how i understand it. is this tru |
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On the Road
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Thu Jul-10-08 11:19 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. There are Some Genuine Criticisms |
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DailyGrind51
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:48 PM Response to Original message |
19. The Kool-Ade tastes that good , does it? |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. I'm willing to be proven wrong... tell me what I got wrong, troll..... |
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Jack Bone
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
20. I believe in Sen. Feingold's judgement... |
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madwivoter
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #20 |
30. "The cold hard fact is that most of them knew not what they voted on" |
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Jack Bone
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:10 PM Response to Reply #30 |
36. yeah, I'm aware of that..but in this instance... |
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On the Road
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:53 PM Response to Original message |
25. On Your Item #2 |
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midnight
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:54 PM Response to Original message |
26. You might want to re-think no. one. |
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ChairmanAgnostic
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:56 PM Response to Original message |
28. sorry, but wrong on a basic fact. |
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scheming daemons
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Wed Jul-09-08 03:59 PM Response to Reply #28 |
31. They won't be in office in 6 months..... and we can fix this |
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vaberella
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:08 PM Response to Original message |
34. Your 100% RIGHT!!! Most people didn't read the bill... This is why I supported Obama!! |
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grantcart
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:11 PM Response to Original message |
37. There are a couple of more things |
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Mojorabbit
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Wed Jul-09-08 05:39 PM Response to Reply #37 |
45. We will never learn about this |
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hedgehog
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
38. So someone left the barn door open and let some horses out; |
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TexasObserver
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:36 PM Response to Original message |
39. You are correct. And further, congress can't alter the constitution. |
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Liberal_Stalwart71
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:37 PM Response to Original message |
40. YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT!! |
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vaberella
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:44 PM Response to Reply #40 |
41. MSM included. The reason MSM is harping on Clinton over Obama is because they're corporate |
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Jeff In Milwaukee
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Wed Jul-09-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
43. Immunity |
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Mojorabbit
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Wed Jul-09-08 05:42 PM Response to Original message |
46. The ACLU sums it up thusly |
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AZ Criminal JD
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Wed Jul-09-08 05:47 PM Response to Original message |
47. You are wrong |
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