Now what?

[Surface Map]

Bush calls for a halt all 527 ads.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5797164/

We need to squash the swift baoat vets quickly and we should specifically call for a complete halt to all the 527's period. Denounce Soros and Michael Moore and call for congress to close the loopholes. Beat the repugs to the punch.

It still blows my mind that we would start this crap. Did Soros think the repugs were just going to roll over. Get his money and shut him up is what I say.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

1. I'm sorry that you are so eager to spread Bush spin.

The difference is, the SmearVet ads are LIES.


In case you didn't notice, lol.

[Surface Map]

11. Yea, I noticed

but I'm not on the fence. You and I nor any diehard Repug will win this election. It is the moderates and undecided who will swing it one way or the other. Do you not think we are getting outmanuvered on this? I'm pissed because we should have squashed or prepared to squash these guys last spring when they first came out from under their rock.

I guess I'm most pissed by our strategists. I hope I'm just in a panic mode that will go away but it seems Rove and his minions are a step ahead of us. I had a suspicion that when the 527 loophole was used that it would come back to haunt us.

As far as spreadding Bush spin-you can kiss my....nevermind.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

16. I'm sorry you believe the American people can't recognize lies.

You are wrong.

There is absolutely no evidence whatsoever that 'Rove and his minions are a step ahead of us'.


In fact, it is fairly obvious by the fact that they are so desperatley attempting to shore up their base they we are several steps ahead of them.


If you wish to believe Bush is winning, despite the fact that that belief has no basis in fact, it is your choice.

[Surface Map]

18. Obviously Bush isn't

winning. This vote will probably be closer than last time and this swift boat vet crap is having an effect. How do I know? Well, everytime I'm out and politics get brought up the last few weeks, it gets mentioned. Yea, I can bring up the fact that they are being debunked but I can't tell everyone.

I hope you're right that we are several steps ahead and not just looking through rose colored glasses.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

19. There is absolutley no evidence that supports your bizarre opinion.

This vote will probably be closer than last time

Huh? You need to start reading the news, and thinking for yourself. This is the Republican spin, but all available polling evidence indicates that Kerry will actually win, and it won't be close. The only real question now is whether we can win the Senate and how much we can gain in the House.


and this swift boat vet crap is having an effect.

Yeah, it is solidifying his base (the 31% who believe it), and angering everyone else. It is too soon to say with certainty what it's overall effect will be, but there is no evidence that it is helping Bush.

[WilliamPitt]

24. "The only real question now..."

is how many chickens you can count before they hatch.

Sorry, dude.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

25. I was just trying to rile a freeper.

I think I did.

[WilliamPitt]

27. LOL

Yup. Riled him right into the ground. :)

[NYCGirl]

2. Denounce Soros and Michael Moore?

Bull.

And that lukewarm line of spittle was hardly a denunciation of those Swift Boat Veterans for Revenge ads.

[michigandem2]

3. denounce LIES

not the 527's that are spreading the truth about this assholes record...there is a difference and this is why WE decided to bring it up...

[kentuck]

4. Are you fuckin' kiddin? !

Where do you think Kerry would be today if he didn't have 527 help??

[gollygee]

5. Huh?

How about just denounce the 527 ads that are LYING???

[michigandem2]

6. i'm starting to wonder surface map...

what side you are on..you are the same one who said that we should be in Iraq--

[MichiganVote]

7. Are all 527's created equal? Not if you have the ear of the

President of the United States. Michael Moore is not a 527 nor to my knowledge is he affiliated with one. He is a filmmaker and the last I knew, Bush had not created a loophole for him to practice his trade.

The smear vets lie and thousands die and the rest of us are ashamed of a president who will not call off his dogs.

Shame on Bush...some support for the troops/not

[VolcanoJen]

8. No, because, all 527s are not created equal.

Up until the latest MoveOn.org "AWOL" ad, the liberal-leaning 527s had not attacked the President's character.

I disagree with your premise, because 527s are good for the people, even if they're bad for the President.

Also, it would be impossible for the Republicans to prove that MoveOn.org, the most prolific of the left-leaning 527s, has a long, historical relationship with Kerry, and that its members and steering committee have a long history of collaborative effort in destroying Kerry's political opponents, unlike the folks behind the not-so Swift Boat Veterans for Bush.

Kerry specifically condemned the MoveOn.org "AWOL" ad. Advantage Kerry; time for Bush to return the serve.

[DancingBear]

9. Are you still here?

You shouldn't be, you know...

[Surface Map]

14. Why is it...

That I try to bring something up that I feel confident is important here but not popular some of you want to run me? Damn, paronia will destroy you. I should know. We have to think outside of the box and quit only preaching to the choir. I go along with 99% of what's said here but when I go to a party or to the local watering hole-the talk here would appear to be extreme. I find that by presenting the same thoughts but in a less confrontational way it is recieved much better.

I'll admit I see the glass half empty and I am working to change but I swear we are losing ground by not preempting some of the horseshit being pulled.

Everybody here knows what the truth is but we've got to win the minds of the middle of the road votes. How do we do that? We beat them at their own game. I hope I'm wrong but I have a bad feeling that the worst is yet to come.

[Democat]

10. What a joke

And I'm not talking about the link you posted.

[The Magistrate]

12. That Is Not, Mr. Map, A Very Wise Idea

Money is to politics what munitions are to war; the first essentials of operation, and the first factor to assess comparatively in predicting which side will win.

Party contributions to the Republicans typically outweigh party contributions to the Democrats by a considerable factor. However, this year, when the donations to these independent committees are added into the figures, our side has more money available than the enemy. This a happy state indeed, and almost unheard of when running against an incumbent in the Oval Office. It would be a very foolish move to do anything to upset it.

The right line of attack is that which is being pursued: Bush supporters are engaging in smears against Sen. Kerry, and are co-ordinating illegally with the Republican Party, and with leading Bush donors and Carl Rove himself, as they do so. These hired character assassins must be denounced by the White House in no uncertain terms, and an open confession of the illegal co-ordination must be made, or the matter cannot possibly be put to rest with the public. The White House ought to be eager to do this, because continuing this controversy will only focus people's minds on the contrast between Sen. Kerry's heroic record of service, and the shabby cowardice displayed by a draft dodger who now tries to posture as a man o' war....

"Can't nobody here play this game?"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[Skidmore]

13. He didn't, in a million years, believe that

small-dollar, grassroots donors could hand a smackdown to his millionaire buddies in the funding arena. He totally underestimated the power of the working class and their willingness to stand up for their country. His disdain for workers will be his undoing.

[The Magistrate]

17. Hear Hear, Sir!

It may be the harbinger of some real check on corporate and monied coontrol of the political process. Large donations are less efficient than many small donations: large donations must be converted into votes, and necessarily there is a good deal of wastage; small donations in large quantity proceed directly from voters, and indicate reliably the intensity of desire to vote already present.

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[johncory]

15. the boy-king non-denouncemennt

This was not a denouncement but rather a child playing with his chaos toy and saying: Stop looking at me!

[democrat_patriot]

20. Bush did NOT call for a halt to the smearvet ads.

He said 527's.

A HUGE difference. The smearvets are not telling the truth. When moveon and others have an ad, they use facts. None of their ads have been debunked.

The smearvets have been debunked point-by-point.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

21. Rest in peace, Surface Map

[The Magistrate]

23. Better At It Than Most, Sir

"Hurrah for the next man who dies!"

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[WilliamPitt]

22. Dumbest. Strategy. Ever.

Congrats. You've tunneled down into a Stupidity Sub-Basement heretofore undiscovered. Even by GD2004 standards, this is remarkably rotten advice.

Let's de-nut Michael Moore. Let's give the GOP fodder for commercials about how we de-nutted Michael Moore. Let's do the same for Soros. Let's lobby for the ending of 527s, thus handing a massive financial advantage to Bush.

I think the word I'm looking for is...

pzzzzzzzcheeeeeeezzzzz

[MissB]

26. Well, he was tombstoned. (nt)