Time for Moveon.org to get NASTY!

[Meshuga]

It's time for Kerry to put the smearvets behind him, get out of the defensive and do some attacking on Bush's presidential record. We need lots of ads from the Kerry campaign now attacking the chimp's positions (and lack of) while telling people his own message.

Now, for moveon.org, it is time for them to get nasty! They need to go all out on Bush's vietnam (as national guard AWOL) AND Iraq (as president) records. They need to mention all including cocaine use and the works. Cable news only bring this shit up when it is tabloid worthy stuff. So let the garbage out!!!

I was happy when Kerry decided to run a nice campaign but it doesn't seem to be working. We need Bush on the defensive! The media won't report on Kerry's ideas for the country so it is time to get dirty!!!

[DU9598]

1. Unfortunately

And I do mean unfortunately, I agree with your thoughts. This is a war and we must play on the grounds the other side chooses. We wanted to take a high road, but to compete we must fight fire with fire.

Of course, we do know that the reason Bushco is fighting this way is because they know they are losing.

[Meshuga]

3. If this continues we're going to start losing.

Let's get on the offensive now! I like the nice stuff but being negative seems to be effective. He can be very nice after he wins but now we need to put Bush in the defensive!

[Guaranteed]

14. Dude- we're winning this.

They're finished.

I must have heard the word "smear" 200 times today on CNN. It's over for the SBV.

[Meshuga]

15. What makes me doubt what I said...

Is the fact that Rove is using these SBVFT scum too early. This is the kind of shit to use three weeks before an election. The smearvets are not going to last until November. TI see the Bush gang are desperate.

[volosong]

24. NASTY, NEGATIVE ADs DO REAL DAMAGE

kERRY CAN'T AFFORD TO BE OTHER THAN SAVAGE

[billbuckhead]

4. What about Bush's sorry business record?

And Cheney's even sorrier business record? Aren't these guys poster children for fraud and insider trading?

[vivalarev]

6. Sorry, but I have to disagree....

While, I do agree that Kerry needs to start attcking Bush's presidential record, I dont think it needs to be done in a nasty way. All it will do is turn people off. Bush has done such a shitty job these past 4 years that pointing out his failures can be easily accomplished just by saying what Kerry would do differently.

Nasty attack ads always backfire. The truth and the facts of Bush's record should be enough to sink him.

[Meshuga]

13. Moveon.org should do the nasty stuff not Kerry

Moveon.org already has a bad name so they should go all out and do what the smearvets are doing. Moveon.org should get down to Bush's cocaine use, abortion story, the works!

[TomNickell]

18. Business failures, yes; Abortions and Cocaine, no......

There's enough True and Provable stuff out there the public doesn't know about.

No need to bring up unproven stuff. That just creates secondary issues.

Ever heard of Formaldegate? How about the U of Texas investment funds?

[Meshuga]

23. Provable? Even better.

We need to get the dirt about Bush out there. Moveon.org should have the green light to bring up the crap that really hurts Bush.

Let's play hard ball!

[coalition_unwilling]

9. Mixed feeilings

The fighter in me wants to see Kerry & MoveOn punch back hard, calling Bush a deserter.

But the conciliator in me recognizes that, should Kerry go down this road, he will not be able, once elected, to unite the country. The first and greatest Republican (Lincoln) once said, "The best way to get rid of an enemy is to make him your friend." If Kerry aspires to govern, and not just gain election, I believe staying on the high road is the only way to make a victory worthwhile.

At this point, smear campaigns are playing for the undecided voter; polls show only 5-6% still undecided. Seriously, does anyone think the Swift Boats campaign is going to convince any already-decided Kerry backer to change and vote for Bushigula? My wife argues that Americans are sick of this kind of politics anyway and that undecided voters are just as likely to vote for Kerry out of general disgust with Bushigula's tactics as they are to vote for Bush b/c they think Kerry lied about his war record.

I still think Bush was a deserter; however, my thinking that and saying that isn't going to change a single Bush supporter's mind and probably will turn undecideds away.

[Not Me]

2. moveon.org getting nasty does not = John Kerry getting nasty

Important distinction of separation that the rethugs seem to have forgotten.

btw, I agree it's time for moveon to get down in the trenches, but all the more reason for JK to stay above it all.

[Meshuga]

7. JK needs to work on Bush's presidential record

and be very passive aggressive. Forget the smearvets since it is obvious the media refuses to report fairly.

Bringing it up will only help Bush. It's time to focus on Bush and use all negative means possible.

[vivalarev]

10. Why would you say that?

Bush is being linked to the SBVT ads and getting a lot of shit for it. If moveon.org gets nasty, the repukes are going to go right after JK. All we really need is JK ads on issues. Thats what people want to hear about.

[Cyrano]

5. It's really difficult to get into the sewer with the Repugs.

I for one never witnessed Bush performing fallatio upon Dick Cheney, but there may be someone, somewhere who might have witnessed this possible scenario.

Short of the garbage in the previous paragraph, the media won't cover it. And if we really dive into that sewer, how does Kerry govern if he wins?

They (repugs) don't have a conscience. We do.

[Nashyra]

12. JK needs to hammer *'s record

and moveon needs to bring out the many deferals and the drunk drivings also there needs to be a whisper campaign about the * being medicated.

[TNOE]

8. Take a look at VetWife's post in GD

and if that doesn't get you fired up to fight back, I don't know what will. This is freakin war people - no time to back down or run away. Face to face combat - let's have at it.

[Lefty48197]

11. Let's all get nasty.

We wouldn't want the Republicans to get lonely in the gutter this year.

[Catholic Sensation]

17. and why stop with political rhetoric?

we could...

disenfranchise voters...
go to war based on lies and bad intelligence...
place the tax burden on the middle class...
create a legal form of segregation with school vouchers too...

Yes, let's totally sell out our morals. The Democratic Party is the party of the American people. Most Americans aren't negative nasty shitheads, only the politically active ones are.

[TomNickell]

21. You can fight back without being a nasty shithead.

The Truth about these guys is so bad, it's going to sound nasty.


But it's got to be said.

[DaveinMD]

16. there is enough out there of substance

that none of us have to get nasty. We just have to tell the truth.

[TomNickell]

19. Tell the Truth---In a Nasty Way? n/t

[Catholic Sensation]

20. or just tell the truth

more people will listen if you're pleasant than if you're beating them over the head.

[in_cog_ni_to]

22. Like Bob Dole told Kerry today...

"This is HARDBALL." I agree.! Hit 'em now and hit 'em hard!

[AgadorSparticus]

25. i hope they don't get categorized like the swift vets 4 lies group.

i hate that the neocons are trying to compare moveon to that vile group of liars. but you know, even if they do, to hell with the naysayers. GO MOVEON!!! They have done nothing wrong.