Time for Harbdall

[Cush]

DU actually looking foward to Matthews? Has hell frozen over?

[cynatnite]

1. I'm So Ready! n/t

[Skidmore]

2. Keep us posted.

I'm trapped in a cube for another hour and until the Olympics are over, I won't get to catch the reruns early morning.

[JuniperLea]

3. yeah!

another hour to go and i have a meeting after work! bookmarking and thanking in advance;)

[MoonRiver]

4. Come on, Chris!

Don't let your new audience down!

[Cush]

5. David Gregory: Bush wants it all ways

He wants to condem all these types of ads, yet he won't talk about the Swift Boat ads. They are happy with them hurting Kerry

[Cush]

6. talking about the latest Swift Boat ads

and how it's taking Kerry's words out of context

[MoonRiver]

9. Playing the full tape of Kerry's testimony now,

sans propagandistic music.

[cynatnite]

7. Playing actual testimony compared to the ad from swift jerks

Very effective!

Cyn:)

[Sugarbleus]

10. Good thing to do FINALLY...let's see what happens next. eom

[eleny]

8. Playing Kerry's actual uncut testimony

"without the music" of the latest swifty ad.

[blondeatlast]

11. Why must Kerry choose between a hero and a truth-teller? nt

[cynatnite]

12. Chris must've forgot that some people change after going to war n/t

[blondeatlast]

15. Karnow is beating back at Tweety very nicely. nt

[spanone]

13. They are having to EXPLAIN Kerry. This Sucks.

AS IF the SBL are telling the truth.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

14. Hardball is anti Kerry tonight

because he's saying Kerry was a traitor for dissing the Viet Nam war. STanley Karnow historian trying to talk about it....Whats His Face states he had a student deferment. Karnow saying he saw the atrocities-made Matthews shut up and listen.

[MoonRiver]

18. So far. I'm hoping it will get better.

But Chris' seeming transpormation was probably too good to be true.

[Placebo]

19. It IS anti-kerry tonight

what the hell happened

[FlashHarry]

24. Matthews has always been bipolar.

No surprises that he has his RNC hat on tonight. Maybe the thought of a GOP boycott was too much for him.

[Old and In the Way]

65. Apt description of Matthews

He is bi-polar. I always wonder which Matthews will be showing up for his show.

[PA Democrat]

89. I guess that the 58,000 plus names on that wall in D.C.

are not enough for some people. If Kerry's testimony brought that nightmare that was Vietnam to an end even one day earlier, then lives were saved.

[Sugarbleus]

16. Bravo Stanley Karnow!! n/t

[buycitgo]

17. he's back to his old asshole self

taking up for those who DEFEND the Vietnam war

ganging up on Stanley Karnow with fellow DRAFT DODGER Buchanan

[buycitgo]

20. he is going to nail Dole, coming up now, though, it looks like

talking about him "contradicting his own words"

[Ducks In A Row]

23. he's afraid of the gop. he know they will stop appearing on the show

poor chris. he has no balls.

[LTR]

27. Tweety's playing it straight down the middle

Taking on both sides.

I don't have a problem with this. I wish more news people would do this.

But what the hell does Buchanan know about war? He never served.

[Rosco T.]

21. RUH RHO.... 'Dole's words on his own war injuries...'

here comes the hammer....

[blondeatlast]

22. Tweety: "He's saying we're all Lt. Calleys?"

What a dipwad.

[blondeatlast]

25. He's going after Dole... nt

[dodger501]

26. Did he say anything about his encounter with Little Lulu?

Michelle Malkin, last Thurs?

[DancingBear]

28. Um, I don't know how to say this

but tonight's Hardball is merely an examination of the other side of the coin, if you will.

It's not anti-Kerry - he has people on who a) are defending him and B) who are criticizing him.

It's balance, people - live with it. Unless of course you think "Bush sucks 24/7" should be on all the time.

Not that I'd mind... :)

[freetobegay]

29. I was blasted earlier today here on DU for slamming

The ballless Matthews, after watching the beginning of his show I hate him even more now than I did this morning.

CHIRS MATTHEWS IS A FUCKING ASSHOLE!!!!

[DemMother]

34. I do too. And for all those who've been praising Pat Buchanan...

tune in. Get a dose of what those of us who grew up during the Nixon administration saw. He is a HUGE ASSHOLE who is still defending Nixon--I wish someone would replay his culture wars speech for all his new fans.

Tweetie must also feel a great deal of guilt about ducking Vietnam. I think that's what is prompting part of this media attack against Kerry--they feel the same need as Bush does to bring Kerry down to their level. Tweetie keeps trying to make it seem like it was no big deal for Kerry to speak out against the war, that because he was in Mass. it was easy for him. MY GOD, is he an idiot?! Has he been paying attention to what the Nixon slugs did to Kerry.

The media are more comfortable with the jockstrap snapping Bush who gives them humiliating nicknames, but lets them be part of the popular crowd, than they are with Kerry who is authentic--who stood up for something, who put his life on the line. They trivialize everything. What a bunch of cheap hacks.

[freetobegay]

51. Pat Buchanan

is a psycho.

[Leilani]

73. Pat Buchanan s new book is due out soon..

slamming Bush for the Iraq War, & blasting him for imperialism.

Pat Buchanan is not a psycho...he has deeply thought out positions...

some I agree with, & some I greatly disagree with.

For example, he was against outsourcing, long before most people.

[freetobegay]

74. He still thinks Nixon is great & innocent!

Like I said he's a psycho!

[Cheswick2.0]

84. It's assasination insurance

for when someone finally figures out he's Deep Throat.

[Carolina]

86. totally agree

:hi: Last week during the DU-Hardball lovefest, I said the same and more about the deceitful Mr. Spitball. I got jumped on by a fellow DUer who I subsequently put on my ignore list.

But a leopard doesn't change its spots and Chris was, is and always will be A FUCKING ASSHOLE!

[cynatnite]

30. It's rehashing the same old crap

I feel like I'm watching a rerun

Cyn:)

[MoonRiver]

31. Chris just confronted Buchanan for nitpicking over Cambodia

Said the issue was whether he served honorably, and it looks like Matthews believes he did. There is an attempt to give the other side its due, but I believe Matthews is a Kerry supporter.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

33. Pat Buchanan Is A Scary Fella...

He's a bona fide lunatic....


When he was in high school he was arrested for assaulting a cop...


That being said I'd call him a chicken hawk to his face...

[MoonRiver]

54. What's really scary is I'd prefer him over *

At least he has a brain and some warped sense of integrity.

YIKES! Did I actually say all that? Shows how fargone I am after 3+ years of rule under AWOL! :crazy:

[blondeatlast]

32. "ENVY toward Kerry!" I agree, that's what's driving this. nt

[MoonRiver]

36. Yes, envy that's turned into a blind and maniacal rage!

Those swift boat freaks are certifiably INSANE! :crazy:

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. I Can't Believe People Are Ripping Chris...

He's not going to be a left wing Sean Hannity...


If that's what people want they need to dream on....

[Mojambo]

49. I agree

Sometimes I see shades of freeperville here when people don't get EXACTLY the kind of analysis they expect or want.

Is Matthews completely fair. Nope. Is he better than most of his comtemporaries? I don't know. We need to watch further to find out.

[freetobegay]

Is completely fair?

Give me a fucking break! Oh how we must have forgotten what he did to try to bring down President Clinton along with the neocon attack machine.

ON EDIT: now if you mean fair as in "fair & balanced" by Faux news standards, then I would agree with you. I am surprised he hasn't gone to work for Faux yet.

[Mojambo]

66. No break for you.

Apparently you missed where I said NOPE.

[freetobegay]

68. You are correct & I apologize

I still stand on what I say though, for those who would fall into that category.

[Carolina]

87. exactly, and how

he helped * steal 2000 because of his obvious ("I just don't like the guy") animus toward Gore.

Tweety can go Cheney himself.

[Lugnut]

55. I don't want....

A left-wing Sean Hannity. I want some damn truth already. Cavitt making the O'Neill/Nixon link required no addtional comment from Matthews.....and got none. Perfect, IMHO.

[DemMother]

38. Absolutely. I wrote that too before I saw your post.

[Skidmore]

43. I don't think it's envy.

I think some of these guys protest too much. They creep me out. Who knows what they have buried within themselves. It's almost a visceral reaction to him and their main source of complaint is his statement to Congress all those years ago. War crimes DID happen and still do. Perhaps some of these guys know more about them than they want to admit. Don't know that for a fact--but it has that feel to it for me.

[girl gone mad]

50. Absolutely..

and FINALLY someone in the media is bringing it up.

There is non question that jealousy and bitterness are in the mix of motives behind this smear campaign.

[kentuck]

35. I don't think we should be too quick to judge Matthews....

We need to see where he's headed. I think he believes Kerry is getting a raw deal from these people...?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

39. look up

-:)

[blondeatlast]

40. I think he's a close to objective as we can expect right now. nt

[DemocratSinceBirth]

47. Buchanan Was Sticking Up For Malkin...

And Chris slapped him down...

[Catherine Vincent]

41. "Michele Malkin or something"

said Chris Matthews. ROTFLMAO!

[MoonRiver]

45. Nailed that bitch again!

:kick:

[blondeatlast]

42. "Michelle Malkin or something?" Bwahahahahahaha! nt

[liveoaktx]

44. SM ACKDOWN on Pat!!! Bwahahahahahahahah 12 times!

[Skidmore]

Awww, come on. What the heck happened?

[Skidmore]

48. Awww, come on. What the heck happened?

OOOOOPPPS... sorry about the double post.

[indie_voter]

57. I *think* that is what Malkin was supposed to do

talk about a self inflicted wound in the context Pat tried to lay down. Make Kerry look bumbling rather than heroic. (I know I know, it isn't bumbling to get a wound that way, I can't understand why the right thinks it is okay to question how one gets a WAR WOUND?)

Except she wasn't swift (forgive me, couldn't resist) enough to pull it off and got caught in own web of lies.

[cynatnite]

46. Buchanan did a piss poor job of defending her n/t

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

52. Dick Cavett!

Hes letting them know how O'Neill was in Nixon's pay. Thought that was good. Good to see Dick again. I always liked him.

[cynatnite]

56. We don't belong in the fast learners' catagory

you gotta love Dick.

Cyn:)

[indie_voter]

61. I loved how he pointed out

all the phrases used 30+ years ago are all of a sudden relevant again without mentioning Iraq and the mess we are in today.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

81. Yeah, of course Tweety didn't want to talk about that.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

53. I'll Bet Buchanan Would Have Went To Nam

if you told him he could have killed Jews or gays....


And some people on this board think he is our friend....


It just proves that the enemy of my enemy can also be my enemy...


Some of us on the left need to remember this....

[DemMother]

58. Just so we don't forget who Pat really is...from his speech in '92

"Friends, this is radical feminism. The agenda Clinton & Clinton would impose on America--abortion on demand, a litmus test for the Supreme Court, homosexual rights, discrimination against religious schools, women in combat--that's change, all right. But it is not the kind of change America wants. It is not the kind of change America needs. And it is not the kind of change we can tolerate in a nation that we still call God's country...

There is a religious war going on in our country for the soul of America. It is a cultural war, as critical to the kind of nation we will one day be as was the Cold War itself. And in that struggle for the soul of America, Clinton & Clinton are on the other side, and George Bush is on our side. And so, we have to come home, and stand beside him."


http://www.buchanan.org/pa-92-0817-rnc.html

[blondeatlast]

62. It makes me ill to see people defend Buchanan; he's just as evil

as Bunnypants.

BTW--SMACKDOWN! Cavett's "evil thug" comment; two birds with one stone!

[Pepperbelly]

80. but Pat had a bum knee that kept him out which is odd for someone ...

who continues to jog to this day.

:wtf:

[Leilani]

90. I would never mistake Buchanan as being a friend...

& he is a chickenhawk...

& he is bigoted on moral issues because of his religious beliefs.

But he is not anti-Semetic. He has been at war with the Neo-Cons, as have been many old school conservatives. Unfortunately, they have been smeared as Anti-Semetic. That is the Neo-Cons tactic: disagree with their wars of aggression, & dare mention Perle, Wolfowitz, & Kristol, & get smeared. There have been really nasty things going on with National Review & Weekly Standard doing a real hatchet job.

And about him punching out someone..I have heard him discuss this, & admits he was an ass.

I am not trying to defend Buchanan, but I respect your well-thought out posts, & I think sometimes are more complex than we see.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

59. More from Dick

Bizarre that things have festered for 30 years and coming out under the banner of patriotism. Anger has fuzzed me out-that being anti-war is 'helping the enemy'-wasn't the atrocities doing it? Has anyone investigated Tonkin Gulf?

Apologizing for calling Buchanan a moral thug-said he had him confused with Novak!

[blondeatlast]

63. Love the "evil thug" comment; he got 'em both! nt

[Catherine Vincent]

60. You know...

apparently the bushies approached Chris about Michele Malkin or something because Chris said he went back and watched the tape 12 times. Hmmmm.

p.s. Cavet apologized to Pat because he called him a thug but he meant that for Novak. hehehe!!

[TheWebHead]

64. did Cavett get spanked for saying "faggot"?

didn't really understand what Tweety was saying after the break...

[Catherine Vincent]

67. And the letter was from someone in Texas.

Sounds like rethuglican cspan callers.

[blondeatlast]

69. Kay Bailey Hutchinson is doing a miserable job making her case. nt

[cynatnite]

71. themes of RNC

compassion??? is she kidding???

Cyn:)

[MoonRiver]

72. All she lacks is elevator music .

:boring:

[girl gone mad]

75. She's an idiot.

Their party isn't going to shut anyone out because their views don't toe the party line?

And how many times has she been locked out (literally) of her own party platform meetings because she's pro-choice? Oh, but now she's telling Matthews that she doesn't exactly consider herself pro-choice.

And they accuse Kerry of wanting to havev it both ways!

[Bush_Eats_Beef]

77. Kay, one of the many stars of the book "Bush's Brain"

Kay Bailey Hutchinson, newly elected to the U.S. Senate, was indicted by a Travis County grand jury in September 1993 on charges she misused her office as state treasurer. Specifically, prosecutors said workers on her payroll made campaign fund-raising calls on state time and used a state computer to keep track of the contributions.

Rove's testimony, however, reinforced the thesis: the district attorney was a publicity-hungry politico. The case never went to trial. The judge dismissed evidence important to the prosecutors, the district attorney dropped the case, and Hutchinson took her place in the U.S. Senate.

"They mounted a political defense," said Earle. "They wanted to portray the entire effort as a political prosecution. They played that defense both in the courtroom and outside. Their courtroom tactics and their public relation tactics were the same."

In the political endnote, the state Republican party issued a news release saying the district attorney's time would be better spent investigating Ann Richards. Whatever else Rove was doing, he never lost sight of the primary goal: putting George W. Bush in office. Richards was an obstacle; Richards was the enemy. The news release came two months before Bush formally announced his candidacy and was written by Karen Hughes, who eventually was to join Rove on the Bush political team.

[Awsi Dooger]

70. Douglas Brinkley was terrific

Emphasizing it's all attack dog August tactics, no basis in truth. He pointed out that a schrapnel in the arm is only inches away from hitting you in the eye and blinding you, that's what happens in war.

Brinkley said 9 of the 10 men in Kerry's boat support him tremendously, and the 10th is a South Carolina conservative who has a beef with Kerry after being chewed out for excessive firing in Vietnam.

Matthews started the show questioning Kerry's anti-war statements after returning from Vietnam, but quickly turned on Buchanon when he brought up the Cambodia garbage and later tried to defend Malkin."Was Kerry heroic? Did he show heroism?," Matthews asked. He turned and asked the question to Brinkley when jackass Buchanon was unresponsive. So telling that people like Dole and Buchanon have obviously been enlisted in fueling this story with high octane crap.

Matthews is clearly livid at some of this, telling Buchanon he gave Malkin 12 chances to amend her self-inflicted claim.

Until last week I was away from the internet for a month, and perhaps this has been discussed on DU, but I'm reminded Karl Rove supposedly theorizes you attack an opponent at his strength. I'm wondering if that's the theory behind this seemingly masochistic attack, from the Republican standpoint.

[Cha]

76. Thanks for your report, Awsie!

I was waiting to read what Brinkely said about Kerry's being a "hero" as per tweety's question..Did he have something sane to say?

[Awsi Dooger]

79. Something along the lines of "definitely"

Brinkley stood up for Kerry with every sentence, saying he faced enemy fire. He repeated the August idiocy theme at least twice.

The conversation and themes got so heated and emotional that Brinkley was obviously sweating above his upper lip and Matthews had a much more frantic look than normal, cutting off Buchanon several times.

There also was an elderly guy who wrote a book on Vietnam. I don't believe anyone else in this thread mentioned him. He was decidedly pro-Kerry, saying Kerry concluded very early it was an unwinnable war, with the enemy willing to concede as many losses as necessary, but the angered vets simply could not accept that we would not win the war, and are still attacking Kerry to this day.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

82. Did you see how Cavett managed to keep Buchanan from making his point

and insulted him at the same time? lol

[Awsi Dooger]

85. I saw that, and Dick Cavett is still plenty sharp

I even enjoyed it when he remembered he thought John O'Neill might chide Kerry for his pronunciation of "ask" and "task."

For the bulk of this year I thought Buchanon and even Scarborough, especially during primary night coverage, were fair and sometimes astute in their analysis. As November nears I guess every righty becomes a flailing pit bull.

[AmerDem]

78. Chicken Shit Tweety!

bruising his knees sucking the repuke cock so they don't beat him up anymore. This piece of shit should be avoided as much as CNN, one and the same!

Chicken Shit Tweety doesn't need to worry about the repukes boycotting his show anymore, he did what they asked of him!

[Democat]

83. Republicans threatened to blacklist, so Matthews got on his knees to beg

Please, don't blacklist me, I promise to only read talking points from the Bush campaign from now on. No more presenting both sides.

Remember what happened to Bill Maher when he dared to question Bush after 9/11? He lost his show.

[David Zephyr]

88. Bingo! You Hit the Nail On the Head, Democat

The GOP threat to blacklist Matthews during their Convention paid off.

Matthews drew back his fangs.

As I keep saying, if the Democrats would in block announce that they are boycotting FoxNews, it would send a righteous message to the public and sober the rest of the media.

Ever seen Hillary on with Bill O'Racist? Never. She's smart. The rest of the Party should follow suit.