"McCain" "cross" and "POW" in one sentence---exactly how does that help the Obama campaign?

[McCamy Taylor]

Imagine how an undecidedvoter is going to feel when he or she hears those three words as the start of any discussion.

I have already made my opinion on the matter clear. I believe that the cross story has been artificially propelled across the internet by RNC trolls who want to use it as a distraction from the much more damaging McCain Cheated story. I believe that the MSM will give it a lot of coverage mainly so that they can blame the Daily Kos and then Obama for casting doubt upon the POW experiences of John McCain---which will then allow McCain to say "And they also accused me of cheating at Saddleback!" to which the press will reply "Shame on them!"

I can not stop McCain moles at DU and Kos and other progressive sites from going on and on about the cross story, but I can suggest that others refuse to rate the stories up. I can suggest that people denounce and reject attempts to Swiftboat McCain the POW. Instead, criticize McCain the cheater whom we all saw Saturday night.

[jefferson_dem]

1. Respectfully, I disagree.

This manufactured story, if it is one, is just another example of how McCain cheats...and lies.

[McCamy Taylor]

6. If you want to say "McCain has a pattern of lying" that is one thing.

However, when you focus specifically on that one instance and make it the focal point of criticism, you are playing the McCain campaign's game. Pick something that does not draw attention to Vietnam.

Attacking McCain on anything relating to POW is the same as a direct attack on Obama for anything related to race. The public will not tolerate it. This is not the same as Kerry. He was in Vietnam killing people. That made him less than sympathetic in the eyes of some people. McCain was 100% victim. You do not mess with a man's victimhood without looking like a bully. That is why attacks on W.'s mediocrity never worked. Too many Americans identified with him.

[jobycom]

7. So?

People don't give a shit that he lied to murder a million people in Iraq, you think they care that he plagiarized a dead Russian? So it's another example. None of the others have hurt him much. Nixon, Reagan, two Bushes... Americans seem to love lying, cheating Republicans. This might even help him.

[JackORoses]

2. Because LIAR and PLAGIARIST are also in that story.

You are so certain you are correct on this, but weren't you just as certain abut Hillary?

Your opinion is not without imperfection.

[jobycom]

10. Jesus God Damned Christ. Hillary? Hillary?

What the goddamn fuck does this have to do with Hillary? Anything at all? Subject--verb-Bash Hillary.

[JackORoses]

17. the subject is not Hillary, but the OPs credibility in predicting events

you like elephants, huh?

[jobycom]

20. So that's why you mentioned Hillary? Again?

And do you have a problem with Horton?

[JackORoses]

29. yep, that was one of the OPs failed predictions

Horton who heard a who?

[BlueIdaho]

3. Your missing one word

Lie.

[GoesTo11]

4. McCain lied about the cross story and faked his religious experience as a POW

If you were all in tears over his Christmas ad - which would be quite moving if true - this would be disillusioning. It would make you want to reconsider his image versus his reality on other things.

[BlooInBloo]

5. BWAHAHA! Yes, people who point out McCain's lies are moles FOR McCain - HAHAHAHA!

Your goal is crystal-clear.

[McCamy Taylor]

9. Please see my posts about "McCain Cheated" before you jump to conclusions.

[Life Long Dem]

8. How does it help somebody who plagiarizes somebody else's POW story?

Who is disrespecting who?

[Drunken Irishman]

11. Same way "Kerry, soldier, Vietnam" didn't exactly help JK.

[anonymous171]

12. Attack your opponent's strength.

McCain will ride his POW story into the whitehouse unless someone calls him on his lies.

[Barack_America]

13. "McCain" "POW" "cross"...and..."PHONY".

I don't know about you, but I like those words together in the same sentence.

[Spazito]

14. HOLY CRAP!

Your OPs and posts are REALLY working to suppress this beyond, imo, any reasonable explanation!

"McCain moles at DU".........WOW

DUers focusing on a very credible question regarding possible plagiarism are "McCain moles at DU" so what does that make those who are trying mightily to suppress it?

Both controversies deserve attention, we, each, can choose whether to focus in on one or both OR, in fact, any other controversy that arises.

[ProSense]

18. Projecting. n/t

[Spazito]

19. It does cause one to wonder, doesn't it! n/t

[NashVegas]

30. "Plagiarism ..." Now Where Have I Heard That Word Before

OhwaitIknow! It's what Obama was accused of last spring! And would have no ground to stand on if he accused McCain of.

Yeah, let's just keep pushing that one, shall we?

[thewiseguy]

31. wow I wonder who you are supporting!

:eyes:

[Spazito]

33. LOL, you seem to miss the difference, the glaring difference

between the two; one was a lie and a very pathetic one at that and went nowhere no matter how hard "some", even here at DU, tried to make it into something; the other a valid question that goes to the heart of McCain's honesty and integrity as does the question about the Saddleback forum.

Both are valid questions being asked, both should continue to be raised.

[ContinentalOp]

15. Yeah, because those "Kerry, medals, purple heart" stories sure helped right?

[Orangepeel]

16. You are entitled to your opinion. Others disagree.

Personally, I think the "cheating" story sounds silly. Fair or not, most people are not going to be indignant that McCain might have listened to Obama's answers on the car radio on the way to the forum.

I think that "McCain can no longer tell fact from fiction" is likely to be the most effective frame.

[Egnever]

22. Exactly

the cheating thing is iffy at best. I think it hurts Obama actually.

[WinkyDink]

21. "To Swiftboat" is to spread LIES. Speaking the TRUTH about McCain isn't "Swiftboating".

[progressive_realist]

23. I disagree on one major point.

Democrats should NEVER accuse the other side of cheating. Lying, yes. Cheating, no. Accusing someone of cheating equates in many Americans' minds to being a sore loser. It's throwing chum to the sharks. These people care more about winning than fairness. After all, if they cared about fairness, they would already be liberals. :)

As of right now, the Obama campaign has done an excellent job at making the McCain campaign look like the whiners in this race. If the Obama side starts whining, they lose. Period. I hope the campaign itself keeps distance from all these issues unless there is hard evidence to support them. Which doesn't mean we can't go after all them independently. Preferably without ever using the word "cheat". :)

[Orangepeel]

25. people didn't care that bush had a damn transmitter under his coat.

so, I think you are right.

[DeepModem Mom]

24. I posted my feelings on the POW story....

and that I consider it Swiftboating and personally want no part of it. Also, I strongly believe that it will backfire on us.

I don't feel as strongly about the Cross story as a story that is out of bounds -- except that I agree with you that we shouldn't touch it because IT DOES US NO GOOD.

I've worked on campaigns, and, realistically, you have to take yourself and others like you out of the equation when you think about a campaign. People hyper-involved with politics, and highly partisan people, are not the majority of the electorate.

You don't run an election for your own satisfaction. You run an election, damn it, to win! You consider only the electorate you have -- or as Obama is doing, the electorate you hope to bring in.

I agree with you -- when you slime a POW re. his years as a POW, when you fool with the Cross, you are asking for blowback. So it's a choice: satisfy yourself, and lose, or consider the electorate as it is, in all its imperfection, and take a chance on winning.

And that's not to say don't be tough on issues, even personal issues, that won't boomerang on you. I'm all for hitting McCain, hard -- harder than the Obama campaign is hitting him now. Just, especially if you're a Dem, stay away from the Cross and the Flag.

[mrreowwr_kittty]

28. We ran a genuine war hero in 2004 and they trashed him.

Convention-goers wore purple bandaids to mock the wounds he received serving heroically as a Swift Boat Captain. It worked.

In the case of McCain, there's some validity to what he's being charged with and BTW no one is impugning his service during the time he was in the prison camp. It's the lies he's telling about it afterwards. I don't think Obama should touch it, but there's no reason why the blogosphere should leave it alone.

[DeepModem Mom]

32. That is something I'll definitely consider, burgler. Maybe anything SHOULD go...

on the blogosphere. I forget that the blogosphere is a relatively new addition to the media mix, and that its role is not yet set.

Thank you for your reply.

[Guaranteed]

26. I just think you're wrong. nt

[mrreowwr_kittty]

27. "McCain" "cross" "POW" "liar" "plagiarizer"

Does that help?

[opihimoimoi]

34. K&R #4...need 1 more...When Truth Speaks...Bull Crap melts...McCain is trapped in the Past

he thinks its 1977 or thereabouts...

He thinks he is in a bar...telling his same ole bar stories....we all know the type...blowhards they were called...