How many women LIKE that younger, prettier women are hired before QUALIFIED women?

[redqueen]

McCain has so shot himself in the foot.

on edit: this does not mean that I *personally* think Palin is more attractive (although her resume does boast that she's a former beauty queen)... only that by custom, younger women are assumed to be more attractive than older women, and therefore get passed over routinely, despite being more qualified.

[IndianaJones]

1. she is a governor. nt.

[redqueen]

3. For two years. There are QUALIFIED female republican candidates...

[IndianaJones]

6. are they hot? nt.

[faithfulcitizen]

27. 18 months, actually.

[redqueen]

41. Sorry, thanks for the correction.

She's even less qualified than I thought. Good grief.

[bridgit]

17. Correct, I understand the need to drag even this woman down but it remains...

that in doing so too many are utilizing tactics that the right uses against Obama in citing his inexperience. DU is lit up with that kind of thought, and I do think it will be used as a further example of a left-wing shortsightedness that has exulted style over substance. Or so they say but make no mistake they are saying it.

This contest grows tighter by the moment. To not understand that plays into republican hands and admits a less than full view of the field. To be pointing out what is *pretty* versus what is *qualified*, after having sent Clinton down the road packing is imo to exhibit a nuance way too little and waaaaaaayyyyy too late, oh well...

It is what it is.

[redqueen]

18. Excuse me? You're comparing apples to oranges.

Clinton wasn't up against a younger, former beauty queen Democratic candidate.

[bridgit]

19. You're excused. Still, to not understand the power of the images being brought forth...

in this contest: red, orange, green, or Granny Smith; is to not understand a process that has the capacity to generate a resultant that will be much harder to swallow and atone for. And that's not just imo, that's the way it is like it or not.

[redqueen]

20. "Excuse me?" in that context means the same thing as "I beg your pardon"

In other words... huh? Which is to say, please explain.

Same question re: your post just now.

[bridgit]

26. "You're excused" in *this* context, not that one; indicates I understand we have little regard...

or respect for one another's opinion. But that's fine, again: it is what it is. I stopped trying to please everybody a long, long time ago.

[redqueen]

28. What? What makes you think I have little respect or regard for your opinion?

Anyway, nevermind... not worth fighting over.

[tigereye]

21. you could argue that it's Rep cynicism - why pick a qualified woman

when you can pick a photo-ready, fundie, inexperienced one.

[bridgit]

23. Ding! Winner, Winner, Chicken Dinner!! It's all about image...

And the power of image in a commercialized America 2008 is not in dispute

[redqueen]

29. This might work for men, then... but not women.

And it won't even work for that many men, because most men understand the huge challenges we face, and they will think about this "hottie" being a heartbeat away from having to guide this country through them.

[bridgit]

35. *I* understand what *you're* saying it's just that the makers of Virgina Slims might disagree...

with both of us :):(

[redqueen]

37. Then it might work if we weren't fighting two wars, not to mention

the other serious challenges we face.

I'm sure it will work with a teeny tiny segment of the population.

Hardly reason to think it's a successful move.

[tigereye]

31. sadly yes.

[girl gone mad]

50. Obama isn't running on experience.

John McCain is.

[progressivebydesign]

22. Hmm.. 18 mos as gov of a small state, she's been embroiled in a scandal...

former small town mayor that has a penchant for going after people she is pissed off at.. Yeah.. that's experience for you.

Curious to see that there a few people here this morning that seem to be promoting.

[Errrica]

63. You forgot

That she was in the PTA! Now THAT'S true experience if I ever heard it.

[spanone]

48. so? that qualifies you to be.....governor

[thunder rising]

2. Palin: "Just what exactly does the VP do on a day to day basis? I'm used to being very productive"

No shit, the woman does not even know what the position entails.

It's on the interview youtube that was posted earlier.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pak-rH0dCeA

[redqueen]

8. I can't believe McCain has so spectactularly failed in his first executive decision.

It's astounding.

[Left Is Write]

15. She's been chosen to run for VP and doesn't even know the job??

[Kablooie]

4. 109,247,029 women like it. They are all younger, prettier, unqualified women.

[Overseas]

9. No way. //nt

[redqueen]

10. Are you joking? You think younger women appreciate this bias?

Sad.

[Left Is Write]

16. I'm a little shocked at some people's opinions of women.

Women will vote this ticket because Palin's a woman. Because, of course, a woman is a woman and we can't tell the difference.

Palin will have to be soft-pedaled in the debates by Biden because he'll look like a big fat meanie otherwise.

Come on. Some of us women are actually able to think.

[Kablooie]

45. But some women demonstrated their ability to think before they get important postitions.

A little over a year as governor of Alaska does not indicate to me a qualification to be the second in line for the most powerful political position in the world.

I believe she was picked because of WHAT she is not WHO she is.

[Left Is Write]

61. Of course she's not qualified and of course she was picked because she's a woman.

That's exactly what's insulting to thinking women!

[Kablooie]

62. Yes. Hillary is first and foremost a strong, dedicated politician.

The fact she's a woman is part of who she is but that is not the reason for her stature.
She earned it herself with ability.

[Kablooie]

44. Only the unqualified ones that want jobs they aren't fit for.

This could give them encouragement.

[Ilsa]

5. I see your point and agree.

Meanwhile, Freepers are excited that McCain has brought plenty of booty to his ticket (Palin and Cindy).

[truedelphi]

7. I just woke up. can you explain the foot shot??

And even as a very young woman, I hated that such a double standard exists.

I was one of the first women car salewomen, and all I heard about was what I was wearing.

If it was flirty and casual, I was told to wear more business-like.

If it was business-like, I was told to try for more feminine and flirty.

And then the guys telling me this are all pot-bellied slobs in crumpled suits with thirty years of hang overs etched on their mugs.

Then I'd go home and I'd turn on the Tv and the anchor "women" are barely out of college, while the anchor men are in their forties and fifties, as "their" experience is important to lend credibility to the news show.

Jeesh!

[redqueen]

11. Just that he's really made a huge blunder with this pick.

Thanks for saying that even as a young woman, you recognized and hated the double standard.

Some people seemed to think that wouldn't be the case. :hi:

[madmom]

12. If she's qualified I don't care, but can something be made out of mclame liking to surround himself

with young attractive women like a hugh hefner comparison maybe?

[redqueen]

14. That could only work if there's a pattern... and two women isn't a pattern.

Now if there was a story there that hasn't been uncovered, then someone would have to dig that up.

[olkaz]

13. I don't think she's attractive, honestly.

I'm not sure what everybody else is seeing.

You want to see gorgeous women, go to an Obama rally. Wow. Democratic women are breathtaking.

[peaches2003]

24. Just pandering for the women's vote

and for the extremist right wing vote, of course. Was he thinking of the country's future for one second when he picks a "hockey Mom", as she calls herself, who has had 18 months as a Governor of a tiny state and being City Council/Mayor of a tiny rural town for a few years? His judgement stinks!

Love the sign behind the cheerleaders- "Country First". Don't think so!

[redqueen]

30. These people do not understand women at all. (nt)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

25. most people dont like qualified women.

qualified women are viewed as threatening and harsh and bitchy.

so i dont really buy this argument.

what i do think is most women dont like to be insulted and condescended to. picking palin to gain womens vote is condescending

[redqueen]

32. That's why my OP says "How many *women*..." (nt)

[La Lioness Priyanka]

33. women can be just as sexist as men. we are all raised in the same environment

[redqueen]

36. Do you think there are that many women who don't mind the double-standard?

I don't. And if there are, they were already McCain's voters anyway. He gains nothing from this, and stands to lose a lot.

Kay is very popular with Republican women.

[La Lioness Priyanka]

39. i think there are many women who prefer less ambitious women

kay who?

[redqueen]

40. Sorry, Kay Bailey Hutchison... senior Senator from TX.

And yes... lots of republican-voting women fit the profile you just mentioned... if McCain was aiming to just get his base to come along, then this might help him get some fundie women's votes back.

[demo dutch]

34. They miss the point, women are generally most critical of their own! The typical RW view on women is

expressed at its finest today!!!!

[calimary]

38. It's what happened to Jane Pauley when Deborah Norville was brought in to push her

out of the Today Show.

In that case it was younger, prettier, blonder.

[CitizenLeft]

42. I thought Debbie Wasserman-Schultz was going to implode.

She was insulted by the pick, and I don't blame her. I'll bet her head exploded when she heard that Hillary line. Oh man.

[redqueen]

43. I'm going to have to look for her reaction...

Thanks for mentioning it... I read about it earlier but didn't get the impression that she was incensed.

[CitizenLeft]

59. oh yeah... and she's being blunt about it!

You go, Debbie.

[Cleita]

46. My feeling about McCain is that he's a typical dirty old man.

I'm not saying he could act on it without a lot of Viagra but he can think it. If he actually were interested in her intellect and accomplishments, I don't think he would have picked her.

[redqueen]

47. I've heard he has a "type" of female employee that he seems to prefer.

If that's true, it proves Obama's point about his awful judgment.

[Cleita]

49. Yeah, I had to work for an old coot, who didn't want any fat chicks or

"old ladies" over forty. I left his employ as soon as I was able to find another job.

[Jade Fox]

52. yes...

read this:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6816894&mesg_id=6816894

[depakid]

51. It's certainly true in the TV newsroom

which, incidently is where Palin got her professional start, such as it was. Her journo professors don't remember her- neither do her classmates and she never even wrote for the college paper.

[redqueen]

55. Really? Wow... she's unqualified for the job in every possible way.

Background, education, job hisotry... geez.

[depakid]

56. Makes Dan Qaule look impressive

I'll start a thread with the lowdown.

[Kber]

53. As a young and pretty women myself - I think it's just grand

Kidding (about the thinking it's grand part.)

:0

[redqueen]

57. Heheh.

:hi:

[stevietheman]

54. Yeap, McCain passed over Whitman and Hutchison, clearly far more qualified....

for Sarah who??

[redqueen]

58. Sarah the HOTTIE!

ugh.

[CitizenPatriot]

60. I think she's gross

Michelle and Jill are gorgeous, real women with voices. They are hot.

of course, republicans do not find a woman with a voice attractive.

they will have us all barefoot and pregnant again in no time.