Now what's your opinion of outing gay republicans?

[Dookus]

Poll question: Now what's your opinion of outing gay republicans?

There have been some nasty battles here on the subject. Today we've seen the first result from the effort: Congressman Schrock from Virginia was outed and resigned.

[LiberalVoice]

1. Against it.

The only liberal issue they are pushing is gay rights and thats bullshit. They didn't/still don't have my support.

[jonnyblitz]

2. IF they vote against our interests HELL YEAH!

Out them, then tar and feather their Uncle Tom asses. :puke:

[SheilaT]

3. I cannot begin to understand

how a gay person can be a Republican. Sort of like a Jew joining the Nazi party, it seems to me.

[Seabiscuit]

9. Yeah...

it's kind of like trying to fathom J. Edgar Hoover or Charley Manson.

[Booster]

44. Like a black person wanted to be a Mormon.

What the Hell is up with that?

[dsc]

4. Wrong is wrong

The ends don't justify the means. The only message sent to gays and lesbians by this is if you are gay, then you have to resign. We know better than this.

[lolly]

13. I disagree

The message should be "if you are gay, work for a party that doesn't believe you're a pariah and a curse to society."

[phish420]

40. Exact;y

As a gay man I have absolutely NO idea how a fellow gay or lesbian can even consider being republican...boggles the mind

[Dookus]

14. Who's calling for Barney Frank's

resignation? Nobody.

The issue is not resign because you're gay. It's whether such hypocrisy should be allowed to go unnoted because it's "personal" in nature.

If Jerry Falwell were committing adultery, should be keep it hush-hush?

[dsc]

19. actually Frank nearly lost his seat when he came out

He was forced out of the closet in a sex scandal as well. A male prostitute named Steven Gobie ,while living with Frank, ran his business. Frank wound up censured by Congress. Had he been in just about any other district he would have been gone. Had he been anything but a masterful politician, he would have been gone. Thankfully for us, he is still in Congress.

[Dookus]

20. You missed the point entirely

you claimed the message we're sending is "if you're gay, resign".

That is patently absurd. The message is if you're a gay, bigoted hypocrite, we'll tell the world. Schrock didn't have to resign. He could try to weather it. Or, he could've come out on his own.

But when these guys actively try to hurt ME while simultaneously cruising for well-hung guys to go down on, I think it's perfectly permissible to make that known.

edit: this is in response to post #14. I clicked the wrong thing.

[dsc]

22. No I'm not

The simple fact is that the goal was to get this guy to resign or lose his office. We all know that. And it worked. So what is a gay in this man's district going to get from that?

[Dookus]

23. perhaps a congressman

who doesn't believe in denying his rights?

But this subthread is about your assertion that the message is "if you're gay, resign". I disagree with that. Nobody here has said all gay congresspeople should resign. The very notion is silly.

[phish420]

41. ehh...he did committ adultry, didnt he?

[phish420]

42. oops, replied to wrong thread

[phish420]

43. Oops again...lol..no I didnt

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

38. Barney Frank hasn't had to...he was out..I'm for it

Let those that would hide while they PRETEND to be straight die by the same sword.

[bigwillq]

5. I am against it.

As a gay man, I was placed in a situation to tell family/friends about my lifestyle.

I think this is a personal decision and it should be left up to the individual to tell or not.

No one should be outed publicly.

It's just a matter of respect.

I know it happens but it's right now no matter what political party you are associated with.

[Tight_rope]

11. Sorry...but they do it to Democrats all the time. What are you ashamed of

[bigwillq]

26. I feel it is wrong in either case

whether it's a DEM or a repuke.

It's personal. If someone wants to come out, then they should decide when.

The media, DEMS, repukes, TV, radio, newspapers, any god or god-like creature, shouldn't make this choice.

I am ashamed of nothing.

[kiahzero]

30. No one should be denied their fundamental human rights, either

I have VERY LITTLE compassion for those seek to do so, and even less "respect."

[bigwillq]

34. I still think "outing" someone is wrong

No matter what party you're affliated with.

"No one should be denied their fundamental human rights, either"

I'm not sure if I get this statement.
But I find it's no one's business, even if your in a public office, to know what you do in your bedroom.

If people want to share fine, but I don't think people need to announce what their sexuality is and it only seems like if you're gay, you need to tell everyone. I think that's unfair.

[kiahzero]

35. Does the Federal Marriage Amendment ring a bell?

This man co-sponsored it. He was for denying a fundamental human right.

You know what's not fair? Being allowed to hide behind a shield of "privacy" while you work to attack others through the force of government.

[bigwillq]

47. Ok, this clears things up a little bit

I did not know the congressmen was co-sponsoring the amendment to ban gay marriage and now he has been outed hiself.

Correct?

Well, in one sense, that is one of the biggest flip-flops in history.

However, I do think it's still wrong to out other people though I do think that is was right to "out" the congressmen.

If that makes sense.

[eleny]

6. I'm for it

Only because they are hypocrites over the issues on gay rights. They affect millions of people's lives negatively and then go pole smoking in the dark. I say - enough! Let them stand up like Barney Frank or get the hell out of the business of running our country.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

8. Jinx

-:)

[DemocratSinceBirth]

7. Only If They Support Anti-Gay Legislation

That should be a poll option...

[Tight_rope]

10. Come out! Come out!....Where ever you are!

Why should they hide in the close? Are they ashamed of who they really are. I'm black and I don't try to hide it....LOL

[SayitAintSo]

12. Against it ... It's their business

Not ours. Karma finds it's own way of dealing it's hand.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

15. What If They Take Public Positions Adverse To Gays

and make homophobic comments?

[SayitAintSo]

24. It's still their business IMO

They will damn themselves by their own inner turmoil. It will eventually come out ... it always does. I just don't think we have a right to "out" them just because we may see them as hypocrites.

[Dookus]

25. It will eventually come out?

when? After they die, like J. Edgar Hoover and Roy Cohn?

And how many closeted gays have died and it was NEVER revealed? I don't think there's any evidence to support the idea that "it always comes out".

[DemocratSinceBirth]

27. What Is Someone Makes Racist Comments And They Have A Biracial Love Child?

nt

[SayitAintSo]

28. Seriously conflicted.... n/t

[Warpy]

16. Sitting firmly on the fence on this one!

Outing closeted Pubbies seems like the best way to expose those sanctimonious hypocrites for what they are, but outing them could also harm wives and children who are blameless. Outing anybody can devastate families. It's just so tempting when the guys is a screaming hypocrite who is so busy condemning the rest of the human race to hell that he's forgotten to look at his own life.

[kiahzero]

31. At least they are legally allowed to have familes (n/t)

[Tom Rinaldo]

17. If the specific Republican is more enlightened than the Party...

...tends to be on Gay issues, even if he or she fell short of having a really good position, I think I would oppose an outing. But all closeted politicians who try to gain political favor by directly pandering to homophobia are, in a classical sense, demagogues and therefor dangerous. They court power over principles. They should be exposed for the good of our Democracy.

[union_maid]

18. For. I've never been for outing people who are minding their own business

Even though all outing probably benefits the gay community in the long run, I'm not for it unless someone is just asking for it by opposing gay rights. If people are supporting the repression of other people because of their own inability to face their own issues, then I say the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the hypocrite.

[Senior citizen]

21. Don't just out them.

Get their friends to secretly tape their phone conversations, and see if you can get hold of some clothing with cum stains to put on TV. We need to take the Congress back from a bunch of vicious thugs, and they're the ones who set the rules for this fight.

On edit: Hey, better yet, see if you can get them to lie to a federal investigator about being gay, and then have them impeached for lying.

[David Zephyr]

29. Out Them. They Have Been Killing Gay People For Decades.

Out them.

[UTUSN]

32. The Ones Who Vote Against----------OUT OUT Damned Spot n/t

[Behind the Aegis]

33. out, out, damn LIARS!

If they are minding their own business and not being a hypocrite, then leave them be. IF they are CO-SPONSORING an amendment to abridge the rights of gays, then OUT THEM!!! This is NO different than "outing" Limpballs and his drug use...espcially after his diatribes about mandatory sentences for drug users! Lies are lies, and if you are lying, then "out" you should come!!

Brightest Blessings!

[fujiyama]

36. If they are

homphobic ass holes, then they deserve to be outed. They should be shown for the morons they are.

[mitchum]

37. In a fucking heartbeat

to hell with those collaborators

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

39. I'm totally for it. They should not get to hide.

This is a change from how I have felt in the past, but I have come to realize that they, by hiding do far more damage to me than I can do to them by outing them. The name of the game is survival.

[independentpiney]

45. I'm for exposing hypocrites and liars

Gay or straight doesn't make a difference to me. Being gay and a republican with the platform they've adopted is total hypocrisy. Screw them and their phony big tent. Out em all

[Neshanic]

46. I think that it should be a board game, and played at parties.

Seriously.