Drudge/RW media are pushing it as though he called Palin a pig. Obama made a mistake with this one.

[Unsane]

And blame for any fallout from the comment should be laid squarely on Mr. Obama's shoulders. In this hyper-sensitive time, one clearly expects a corporate-controlled, RW-biased media to jump on any comment and manipulate it against him.

Sure, we KNOW what he meant. Anyone who isn't a complete lemming would understand he was making an analogy to GOP policies. But the American electorate is largely a bunch of lemmings who will accept the news exactly how it's packaged and reported--and this 'story' is being packaged to paint Obama as making a sexist, insensitive comment. It's analogous to Kerry's botched joke about Americans having to serve in Iraq because of a lack of education (paraphrasing). Complete bullshit? Yes. But also stupidity by the candidate.

[Libby2]

Bullshit!!

[Mark E. Smith]

1. Oh horseshit.

Utter nonsense.

[progressivebydesign]

2. Bullshit. Obama is to blame for NOTHING on this!

He was NOT talking about her, he was talking about CHANGE, and how it relates to what McCain was pushing and how it was the same stinky old shit Bush was offering. Caribou Barbie was not mentioned IN THE LEAST.

In fact, according to AP, Mr. Sensitive (McCain) used that SAME line in talking about Hillary's health care plan.

So tell me HOW it could be Obama's fault that they'd take his words and manufacture FAUX OUTRAGE?

This is bullshit. Is this how we stand up for our candidate? By buying into the lies from Karl Rove and the professional victims?

[FrenchieCat]

10. I have never been comfortable with this poster.

[writes3000]

13. My gut is alot like your gut on this. nt

[madmusic]

14. Three.

[GrizzlyMan]

16. I tend to agree...there's an addiction to defeatism with the poster.

And by the way, "No Country For Old Men" was a pedestrian snooze fest.

[scheming daemons]

25. I've been here a long time.... and I think you're right on him.

[Binka]

61. My My My He Does It Again

Mr Bullshit.

[Lochloosa]

103. Link to McSame saying the same thing about Hillary

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=385&topic_id=185603&mesg_id=185603

[melody]

3. No he didn't -- everyone knows that's an old saying

This is nothing but more faux-indignation of the Rovian style.

[Big Blue Marble]

4. Let it go.

They can only cry outrage so many times. I suspect that Obama knew they would take this bait.
Fine let them have it. It takes them off of their message.

[cliffordu]

5. According to some of the 'REAL DEMOCRATS' around here, he makes a mistake every

day.

[flamingdem]

6. Undecided voters want to see his mettle. I personally LOVE his fire and humor nt

[AzNick]

20. It makes for great sound cuts and we need one a day

Each time the Repugs call out on that comment he made, undecideds check it out and hear a little bit of the truth each time.

All we need to do is be consistant, stick to the facts, not meddle anything and tell it like it is.

[Name removed]

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[GrizzlyMan]

8. Brilliant move by the candidate

[Matariki]

9. We should all take an oath to stick to our message the way the republican base does.

And stop tearing our candidates (and each other) apart all the time.

We'd probably fare better. We can criticize Obama AFTER he wins.

[writes3000]

11. A) You're wrong. It won't hurt Obama. B) I find your posts relentlessly negative

Of course, the right wing are going to try to make this look bad.

But this is a common phrase. So it's going to roll off the back of most people ESPECIALLY when they hear that McCain's used this same phrase in a much more direct way about female opponents.

More importantly, if this spurs conversation about what McCain's really offering that's different or what Palin is offering that's different, that's great.

We cannot surrender every time they fight back. That's what your post is suggesting. Overly, relentlessly negative.

[Unsane]

23. Surrender? No way. Fight back intelligently? Yes

No one's saying he shouldn't fight back. I only advocate doing so in a way that prevents the media from manipulating his words.

[writes3000]

32. This will get coverage all day tomorrow.

And Obama will be on the right side of it. His statement never even mentioned Palin. It was all about McCain.

And if it puts them on the defensive over bullshit claims GREAT.

This will make them look like HUGE hypocrites.

[scheming daemons]

35. Tomorrow, the Obama campaign will release the video of McCain using the EXACT same words about HRC

Playing chess... not checkers.

[onefreespiritedchick]

43. Exactly! n/t

[Eyes_wide_ open]

100. well it would appear you chose an appropriate user name

Fighting back intelligently is exactly what he did. This wasn't a slip up. He chose his words carefully, as he always does. An old saying, used by McCain himself about Hillary's health care plan. No chance for it to be mistaken by anyone the way they are misrepresenting it.

But don't think for a second Obama didn't know the McCain Camp would react exactly as they did. Drudge ain't shit ... MSM is laughing at McCain, not ha ha laughing ... ridicule laughing.

Americans aren't nearly as stupid as you seem to think ... but you'll have to convince me that you aren't.

[AtomicKitten]

12. * cough * bullshit

[scheming daemons]

15. Horseshit.... you are advocating the wimp strategy...... that way lies defeat

You couldn't be more wrong.

[progdonkey]

17. yeah, Obama's such a moran...

Speaking English and using common idiomatic phrases that any idiot understands and which have been already used countless times during this and nearly all political races of the past quarter-century.

Obama isn't stupid, and shame on you for saying he is. The stupid people are those in the media who think this matters and the voters at large who buy anything fed to them by those same idiots.

McCain used the exact same phrase to refer to Hillary Clinton's health care proposal. Instead of criticizing Obama for assuming that people aren't total fucking idiots, how about you bring that up every single time some right winger or media shill says it?

http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/2008/09/obama_did_not_call_sarah_palin.php

[Not a robought]

18. "It's analogous to Kerry's

botched joke about Americans having to serve in Iraq because of a lack of education."

Wow, what a stretch. Hope you did warm-ups beforehand you might get a cramp.

[bluestateguy]

19. Wasn't the "Democrats throw away flags in Denver" story supposed to have legs too?

Geez. This board is full of people whining that Obama "needs to do this, or that, or hit back harder, etc." Then he hits hard, and naturally, somebody starts pissing and moaning.

[MidwestTransplant]

21. Get a clue. It's not like this is a new phrase.

[Waiting For Everyman]

22. Bull!

They'd like us to believe that, but we don't. That dog won't hunt. :rofl:

Oh, worry, worry (quake in boots). :sarcasm:

I'll worry about that, just as soon as they start worry about lying.

[AzNick]

24. Stop acting like a wuss

If we fall and do not win this one (god forbid), at least let's lose it with an f-ing good fight and spoil it hard for them.

Those who vote for these idiots should pay the price if they elect them.

To a debate, always bring a smile and a baseball bat. (I copyrighted this one).

[Waiting For Everyman]

105. Right-on! And very well said.

Get some dignity! Everybody's been sucking up to these "oh so sensitive" puke-voters for TOO LONG. I think we'd win more by standing up for ourselves.

Playing the "oh no, what will they spin this word or that one into" game is the loser.

Drudge and Palin between them made the insult. Let them OWN it.

[kiteinthewind]

26. Thanks for your concern.......

NOT! :eyes:

[smoochpooch]

27. The absolute last thing Obama should do is apologize.

It is a tacit admission that he did something wrong. I don't want to hear a "What I really meant to say was.." kind of statement from the campaign.

[Unsane]

29. No, he shouldn't apologize. And I never said he should.

My point is why say it in the first place, when you KNOW the media is going to fuck you?

[Hokie]

28. Not a mistake. It was brilliant

See my separate thread on this http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7010079&mesg_id=7010079

[Neshanic]

37. Very much so. She went there with the lipstick thing so....

[AkFemDem]

30. Who cares? Drudge and the RW media will twist whatever he says, no one reads it

but right wingers who are already not voting Obama no matter what.

It just means he hit one home and it got under their skin. Good for him. Stay the course. Let them Bring It!

[BeyondGeography]

31. Because Sludge says so?

:silly:

[writes3000]

34. Yes, because he has the ultimate power over everything. So Obama's limited to milquetoast. nt

[Lost-in-FL]

33. Good for Obama!

He needs to stepped up!

[Neshanic]

36. I call bullshit. He better not do the explaining "thing" or apologize. He did great.

[TheKentuckian]

39. No quarter on this at all

no explaining, and NO APOLOGY EVER!!!!

Let Drudge and the whiny ass Republicans sit and spin.

His only response should be a demand for an apology from McCain and the Republicans for what they have done to the American people.


They can suck it.

[Hawkowl]

38. Are you Bob Shrum?

Have you had your spine surgically removed? Politics ain't beanbag buddy.

[scheming daemons]

44. Thank GOD that Bob Schrum is nowhere NEAR this campaign....

I don't even want him as a surrogate.

[dkf]

40. Nope. McCain is the pig...I agree 1000%

[kingpin8399]

41. no mistake at all!

people cant cry obama isnt hitting hard enough and being soft, then cry about this comment that wasnt even meant to be a shot at palin? make up your minds!

[MrSlayer]

42. I'm worried that Hannity will start trashing him now.

After all the love he's been giving.

[Shanti Mama]

45. This was NOT a mistake.

The true meaning, and the innuendo, will all be straightened out. If she can give this kind of stuff she better be able to take it. And many have used the pig and lipstick think over the past few year, including McCain.

[Handel_1]

46. yeah I agree...mistake.

Mistake big time.

Why? Because it doesnt matter whether McCain or anybody says another word on this, as long as it gets in the minds of peopl. Especially WOMEN. Obama is already losing an edge with white women AND younger women are starting to slide. All demographics are starting to look wobbly.

Sorry but it looks like a move based out of anger and frustration as well. And that will translate to people. Like it or not.

Obama can't afford these "small" mistakes. Even the ones that are little misspeaks. "MY muslim faith".

Sticks in peoples minds. He's flustered and its showing.

Just sayin....

Hi...I'm "Handel".:hi:

[cui bono]

82. No, he's not flustered. It doesn't matter what he says, the Republican slime machine

will take ANYTHING he says, ESPECIALLY if it's true, and twist it to make it as if he said something wrong.

Look what the just did with saying he's trying to teach sex to young children, even though this was already tried and debunked already.

Bunch of assholes.

Second post of yours that smells rather fishy.

[Prefer]

47. Man they are bankrupt if they are trying to push this shit

I mean that is really reaching!!! He never mentioned Palin. "Lipstick on a pig" is a famous old saying.

[Life Long Dem]

48. Take your hypersensitive times back to the repukes campground

[Handel_1]

50. wow...

Hey "lifelongdem"....I'm still trying to get used to this post system ya gots here. I don't know if your response was to me..but if it was..Look,

I'm not being a jerk or anything. Just stating a fact. I'm just getting into the dialogue. I assume that we all want free speech and to express ourselves. A dialogue?

Come on man. I mean look....If Obama wasn't flustered, he wouldn't be making these misteps. And this is a misteps. It takes the focus off of his 'message' and onto something that he doesn't want the media on.
On whether or not he's just being a 'jerk'.

Not a wise move on his part. It might get the base saying "YAY", but it does nothing for everyone else.

[FrenchieCat]

51. Where are you lightweights coming from........

Politics is a bloodsport, remember?

Did you actually see the video tape of what Barack said, or are you just talking out of your ass?

[Binka]

65. Misteps And You Are a Gigalo? Jesus Gawd Get Lost Dumb Ass.

Grab a book on your way out and learn to read and write. Fucking god damn idiot.

[Lochloosa]

104. ...

Fucking god damn idiot:rofl: :rofl:

[TheKentuckian]

49. It's not a mistake it's the truth

and they can whine till the stars fall, buddy and you can too. Take the wimpy handwringing elsewhere, no one gives a crap what Hannit and his ilk have to say.

They are conning and lying to the American people and will be called on it. We will keep getting up!

Go take a nap!!!

[Handel_1]

55. frenchie and kentuck...

Look...you guys are just getting too worked up. In some ways, making the mistakes that obama is making.
Yeah..sure..'politics is a bloodsport". But you shouldn't be playing the game by cutting YOURSELF.
Sooner or later..your gonna bleed to death.

Lookie here...

WHO is obama talking to? Who is he trying to win over? should it be YOU? should it be OLBERMAN?

Of course not.

Its SHOULD be women, right? Or at least not alienating them.
This comment is going to make their ears prick up. It isn't going to play well.

And him saying that it wasn't meant to be directed at Palin? Please...the cover up is always worse. Thats going to ring as disingenuous. And its going to make him look worse. I mean the crowd that was behind him knew who he was talking about....Come on. Lets just be a little honest here.

As for a nap..thats a good idea. Its late and i'm tired.

Gnite.

:)

[cui bono]

81. He wasn't talking about a person, he was talking about the campaign and its ideas. n/t

[Zombie2]

52. FUCK THEM...

He's getting people excited!

And he meant exactly that.... she's a freakin disgusting pig!

"GET UP... GO GET EM!" ~ Joe Biden 09/08/2008

[ElsewheresDaughter]

53. NO he did not!...and why are you letting the elephant frame your debate?

[backscatter712]

54. She is a fucking pig.

I know, Obama didn't call her a pig.

I, on the other hand, am calling her a pig.

No apologies from me will be forthcoming, and if Palin doesn't like it, she can suck it.

[Handel_1]

58. backscatter...

"I know, Obama didn't call her a pig.

I, on the other hand, am calling her a pig.

No apologies from me will be forthcoming, and if Palin doesn't like it, she can suck it."
****


I seriously don't think Palin really cares. I mean she didnt seem at all fazed about the hoopla that preceeded her speech. THIS surely isnt going to throw her off balance. The girl is pretty fairly steady. You gotta admit that at least. Thats my point. THis is sooooo utterly sophmore thtat it really does smell of frustration from obama.

All she has to do is keep giving him the rope it seems.
I'm telling you...this woman is way smarter than everyone is wanting to give her credit for. I'm really thinking that she may be smarter than ALL THREE CANDIDATES put together.

Anyway...sorry to come back..I know i said i was going to bed. I forgot my pants in here..oh there they are...Move your leg 'backscatter"

goodnite again.

[symbolman]

69. Shut the fuck up

You are doing nothing but supporting Porky Palin and bashing Obama.. He's NOT made any mistakes here, he's not desperate, you fucking Trolls can't even find a decent Fault in the man yourselves..

Go pick up your check before Porky Palin crashes your candidates system and none of the Trolls get paid..

Get a fucking life, cowards just like Palin, too much of a sissy ass to even stand for Your Own Candidate..

[nam78_two]

56. What rubbish

They are trying to make a mountain out of a molehill and some of you are helping them by wringing your hands and pretending that there is a real story here :eyes:.

He said something that needed to be said and he said it in plain terms-this is such nonsense! This sort of the nonsense is the real distraction from the issues, not legitimate discussions about Palin's suckiness..

[Handel_1]

60. nam..

no such thing as a 'molehill'

If you are wanting to win an election...and it comes down to just a few hundre votes in a county...

And you've alienated a few hundred women.....

no..........such.......thin....as .........a....molehill.


But your right. When has an election EVER been up to a few hundred votes.


Forgot my supergirl tank top this time....

Oh there it is!!

gnite.

[Binka]

71. There is no such thing as a GIGALO Asshole. BTW It Is You're NOT Your

You fucking idiot. But your... (HEY freeper shit for brains that would be you're) Grab a book on the way out asshole. You dumb fucks are such idiots.

[cui bono]

86. How did this alienate women? You clearly don't even know what he actually said

so stfu. Go back where you belong, you're not fooling anyone.

[gort]

57. My God you are right. Obama should immediately apologize

what an insult to pigs.

[TheKentuckian]

59. Yup, a BIG GRIN and say

I'm sorry Wilbur, Babe, and the little guy on Green Acres, what was his name______? You know the pig on that old show? Anyway, sure I'm apologizing to pigs everywhere, they take the brunt of too many jokes.

No cowering to the Reich Wing.

[gort]

75. Arnold Ziffel

[oasis]

62. All rethugs are pigs. Anyone backing McCain-Palin is a stupid pig. (eom)

[Captain Lance Bass]

63. Don't badmouth pigs by comparin them to Cribou Barbie NT

[oasis]

70. "I'm comparing that dizzy windup doll to the pigs that she associates with AND

her adoring masses.:puke:

[Unsane]

64. Nice reasoned argument there. That'll win over independents!

[oasis]

68. And rethug agents are also pigs. They are the worst kind.

:puke:

[treestar]

97. It just might. Apparently "tough" is desired by these independents

If they didn't like it, they would all hate Caribou Barbie for her vile speech.

[truthisfreedom]

66. *yawn*

The memory hole is about 3 days. Everything heads down there eventually. Obama's brilliant. He's "floating" his attacks right now to see what works and what doesn't... with 60 days left, he's got plenty of research time.

[Marsala]

67. The story doesn't seem to have legs

Only the right-wing outlets are pushing it, and nobody is swayed by what they hear on Drudge Report or Fox News. Only the true believers on both sides pay attention.

Still keeping my fingers crossed, but the MSM seems to have decided that it's too baseless and silly to make a story out of. Even Huckabee defended Obama on it.

[57chevy]

79. The story doesn't seem to have legs

You evidently dont understand the the republicans or their base. This will be big news. Before the week is done Obama will be playing defense on this which is exactly the wrong thing to do. Ill clue you in on something, the best way to defeat anyone is to keep them on the defensive or piss them off to the point they attack without damaging you.

[cui bono]

72. I cry Bullshit. And why are you hiding your profile?

Hm...

[Unsane]

73. It was the default setting for some reason

[mattclearing]

74. If the hoof fits... n/t

[yurbud]

76. insensitive and callous could win over some right wing voters

[bigdarryl]

77. From what I hear theres another part of the speech thats not being played that the media

isn't showing. And where was the media and Drudge when McCame used the same statement against Hillary

[quakerboy]

78. Fuck that

There is no safe comment. Not one. Not a single one that they couldn't and wouldn't twist. Either Obama says literally nothing, or the press will twist it. Blaming him for that is capitol b Bullshit on your part.

[Enrique]

80. Obama better do the rest of the campaign in pantomime

if he can't say anything that the republicans can't twist. :eyes:

[CakeGrrl]

83. BULLSHIT. McCain can shove it up his ass.

He used the phrase referring to one of Hillary Clinton's policies the same way Obama used it about McCain/Palin's phony attempt to promote the 'change' meme.

Pundits/pols with common sense already know it. McCain/Palin need to stop whining, STFU and stop trying to turn this election campaign into a sideshow of distraction.

The arrogant assholes had it coming. Poor Governor Mooseburgers might have to have her lipstick line re-written for her.

No quarter for these shitheels who would dare to foist this unqualified Fundie on the American people after everything their party has done to destroy this country for the past 8 years.

Rant over.

[Monk06]

84. You are a weak and rather silly person. If you don't want to fight sit in the bleachers and watch.

[adamuu]

85. you couldn't be more wrong. stop second-guessing... try third-guessing, maybe? n/t

[VolcanoJen]

87. Double extra triple horseshit.

Good gawd. :eyes:

Blame this one on the media and the wimpy-ass poutrage McCain/Palin campaign.

It's a damned common expression and you're making mountains of molehills while successfully dodging a discussion of the issues. That's exactly what McCain wants.. a three-day news cycle where they don't have to defend their record of cheerleading eight years of GOP disaster.

Even the MSM is laughing in McCain's face on this one. Let them. Sit back and watch, don't buy into this horseshit.

[CarbonDate]

88. Yup, they're squealing like a stuck pig.

That just means it hurt. Give them more of the same.

[WeDidIt]

OH NOES DA SKY IT IS FALLING!!!!!

Give it a fucking break.

[WeDidIt]

89. OH NOES DA SKY IT IS FALLING!!!!!

Give it a fucking break.

[Kahuna]

90. Oh please.

:eyes:

[WeDidIt]

91. I find your concern concerning this concern concerning

MSRNC And the concervative News Network have already showed how Obama used a common phrase. Hell, they even played a clip of McCain using the phrase with regards to Hillary.

So your concern is interesting.

[shaniqua6392]

92. CNN and MSNBC are showing McCain saying the same thing

about Hillary Clinton last year. The McCain camp is playing the gender card here and even the media is playing it the correct way.

[Frumious B]

93. It's a stock cliche that politicians of all political persuasions have been using for ages.

From what I've seen so far the media is reporting the story accurately. Undoubtedly, Limbaugh and Hannity will use it to try and whip their disciples into a frenzy later today, but if it weren't this then they would do the same thing with something else.

[dennis4868]

94. you must be joking, right?

[Phoebe Loosinhouse]

95. The McCain campaign gets the vapors at the drop of a hat, don't they?

Poor dears.

[treestar]

96. Doesn't matter what he says, they'll find something

Is what the media says really that important? If you believe they are that much in control, you're going to be a rather hopeless mess.

[ClarkUSA]

98. You'll always find something to blame Obama for, won't you? Your OPs are POS.

People like you are the reason Democrats lose.

[TexasLady]

99. The only mistake here is the idiocy of the Republican party

Im laughing my ass off at them this morning.

[alcibiades_mystery]

101. McCain looks like a fool

And he's not the only one.

:rofl:

[bunkerbuster1]

102. eh, this sounds like concern trolling, even if it isn't...

I think we need to take their stupid arguments and cram them back down their throats early and often, myself.

Besides, in context, Obama's comments are completely justifiable, and if they were designed to draw fire from the whiny-ass titty babies over at Team McCain, he did a splendid job of it.

So, if you're on the level--and I think you are--I wouldn't worry so much. I think they're handling this very well.