Tweety just cut him off and said it's George Bush's night

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

Do you believe it? Was he covering a convention or a wedding?

[liveoaktx]

1. Screw him! It's DEMS night, too- on CSPAN2

pure enjoyment.

[truebrit71]

20. You know it!!!

Great speech..I mean REALLY great!!

[Paul Hood]

2. Yeah I believe it. n/t

[democratreformed]

3. Shit! I guess he might as well let him have it since it'll be his last

one EVER!!!!!!!!!! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!! JK is kickin' ASS!!!!!!

[Dookus]

4. asshole

now the media can decide to mete out news based on "whose night" it is.

Kerry is speaking now. Bush is done. One is news, one is history.

[Name removed]

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[LittleApple81]

8. Oh, come on. They had repugs discussing EVERY SENTENCE OF

the dem speeches during the DNC. They let the repugs speak longer than the dem speeches. It was embarrassing. All the time that Kerry/Edwards talked would not amount to the same length that the repugs got during the DNC.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

11. No. It just goes to show Kerry will work hard for us

why sit around and wait when there's work to do?
And Bush's lies and bullshit can't stand.

on edit: Oh and did AWOL boy condemn the Swifbot ads??? No? then unprecedented works for me!!!

[renotyme]

13. time to start playing to win

this is a new century, time for bold moves, and to hell with precedent.

[democratreformed]

21. I heard that! To hell with, I mean FUCK precedent.

Yeah, that's what I mean.

[Minimus]

14. you are entitled to you opinion even if it sucks

[madfloridian]

15. That is just plain baloney, my friend.

Just plain baloney. And what is more, you have to know it.

Our convention was dominated by them on every channel.

[democratreformed]

16. Steal thunder? You have GOT to be joking.

This man (*shrub) manages to almost destroy our country in three and half years and you're worried about "stealing his thunder?" HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.

[DWolper]

23. Don't twist my words

I meant steal the thunder of the Republican convention. Conventions and acceptance speeches are once every four years. If it were the other way around you would have written my post for me.

[democratreformed]

29. Oh, that makes it different. They have four nights of Kerry trashing and

it is petty for him to respond immediately? And I doubt very seriously if I would have written your post as I am normally pretty silent.

[BurtWorm]

52. Bush's acceptance speech was the same as the one four years ago.

He's a bit more coached. But the crowd was just as bored. This was not history or even news. It was an infomercial.

[girl gone mad]

18. I couldn't agree...

less.

Their convention is over. Kerry has eevery right to respond since they made him enemy number one.

[JI7]

19. for a Democrat, you make some interesting posts

[DWolper]

32. Excuse me?

Are you insinuating something? I've worked in every Democratic campaign since Franklin Roosevelt in 1944. Are my posts maybe a little less bombastic than some others here? You may be right. Different generations and different approaches maybe. However, I have the right to express my approach without my credentials as a Democrat being questioned by someone hiding behind a letter and a number. I'll put my work for the party up against yours any day, my friend. The parties are polarizing into two extremes, and your questioning me with that comment of yours was uncalled for. You will find nothing in any post I have made that is not consistent with the long held values and traditions of our party. Apologies all around if I am a little cranky tonight.

[The Doctor.]

47. With Respect....

I agree with you that the perception of Kerry giving his speech immediately after Bush's* will be rife with derision. However, it is and has been quite apparent that this country has been abused in terms of civility for years.
What to you seems inappropriate will seem like a 'well timed' rebuttal to many younger Americans. (Mostly democrats and hopefully undecideds.)
I respect the balanced view you take as I often take on such myself, but I believe Kerry has had the right what with the sheer lambasting he has endured.

[Dookus]

25. it doesn't MATTER!!!!!

The media don't get to decide whose night it is. Their job is to cover the NEWS! Kerry's speech was NEWS.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

26. No way. This is a dog fight. Let the dogs out.

No way are the Repubs playing by the "rules" in this election; they are lying every time they speak and on Nov. 2 they are going to try to steal it.

Kerry did exactly the right thing by coming out hard tonight. The real race starts Tuesday, when people (other than us crazies) start paying attention. Kerry's getting revved up. I love it.

[LTR]

27. I saw nothing wrong with it

With all the sleazy Rovian shit that's been flung around, I see the rules as out the window.

This rally has been planned all week, and after four days of attacks by the GOP, Kerry had a right to get up and call 'em out.

Kudos to the news networks, since I really didn't expect them to carry too much of the speech. And they didn't have to. They gave the Dems the whole night following their speech. But they carried at least most of it, and that's cool. Kind of sets up the debates.

I thought the midnight rally was an excellent idea, and no, it was not petty and desperate. The GOP's hatefest this week looked desperate. After seeing Kerry tonight, he looked far from desperate.

[barb162]

59. bravo, you said that well

all I saw was days of GOP lies and venom so if Kerry wanted to come out tonight and have some fun, TERRIFIC. WHat a breath od fresh air it was after looking at Bush giving a rehash of his 2000 speech.

[Neecy]

33. unprecedented? yes.

The Republican National Convention in 2004 was unprecedented in its smears against the Democratic nominee. Personal, vulgar, untruthful smears.

If Kerry hasn't immediately addressed the lies and ugliness of the last four days, he'd be perceived as weak. The Republicans brought this upon themselves.

[Big Blue Marble]

34. He was very polite.

He waited until after * spoke to respond to a week of hate and
vicious attacks. This speech was for us. Thank God, what a breath of fresh air just passed through the country.

[masshole]

37. GOOD democrats get beat by BAD republicans

I don't completely disagree with your "thunder stealing" premise.
I might have made the same decision to cut-off Kerry's speech if I were the producer at MSNBC.

But I totally disagree it looked petty, or "looked awful" It's about damn time the Democrats acted fast to thwart the Republican attacks. Tough shit for Karl Rove that he didn't think to do something like this right after the DNC.
Where are these "campaign etiquete rules" written that you seem to want the Democrats to adhere to? This is not your daddy's presidential campaign. It's about smear, it's about negativity, it's about distortion. I give Kerry credit for so far standing up and attempting to keep the argument about policy. But I will not condemn him for finally taking a page out of the Republican playbook and shaping the arguments, using the media to his advantage, and taking some of the spotlight away from the Republicans. It was a smart move.

I hope you watched the speech at least (CSPAN didn't cut away). A good Democrat would have.

edit:sp

[demwing]

42. I have no idea if you're a "good" Democrat

but you seem to be a little TOO willing to cede the point to the Republicans. Fine, you think it was justified to pull the plug after 10 minutes. Fine, you think Bush deserves the coverage.

But you think Kerry "petty" for his speech? I don't buy that.

You think Kerry's tyrying tosteal the spotlight? Damn straight! Good for him, the Republicans have used their influence to steal an election.

You were embarrassed? I don't buy that either. All the shit Kerry has been handed in this election doesn't enrage you? If it does, you suddenly drop that rage and become embarrassed? Unbelievable.

And then you say Kerry looked weak and desparate? - now I know you're bullshitting us. Kerry stood up to the lies and smears and fought back. If that makes you feel embarrassed, if that makes you cringe, and if that makes you feel awful, then I suggest you stay outr of politics and find a milder hobby.

DU is much to passionate for your blood, regardless of how good of a Democrat you may, or may not, be.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

43. OK bear with me bacuse I do understand the point you made

But IMMEDIATELY following Kerry's acceptance speech there were LOADS of GOP pundits on the air ripping him. IMMEDIATELY following. NOT the case with Bush. We saw Rudy on one channel, Patacki on another, and Ralph Reed on another.

I understand you think decorum is good...but please tell me when you saw the patriotism of a candidate questioned...when did you hear a candidate described as a socialist (barring Debs), when did you seea person awarded a Purple Heart mocked with a bandaid on the floor of a convention.

I think Kerry did the right thing to respond immediately. The only reason it MAY be perceived as petty is that it SHOULD have been done last night except last night Kerry still played along with the decorum you appreciate...

[Gman]

49. Screw them! There are no more rules

When the GOP once again observes honor and decorum then the rules can be reinstated. Until then, its war.

[NYC Liberal]

5. Yeah,

Well Bush has had the LAST FOUR YEARS!

Fuck you, Tweety!

[sub.theory]

7. Fuck Tweety

He's a two faced corporate whore. Don't believe his lies. Seriously, fuck him.

[Seabiscuit]

35. Double Fuck Tweety!

I've got twenty French Francs for anyone able to hit tweety with an egg. :)

[Seabiscuit]

55. Just e-mailed Tweety

with the subject line: "Zig Zag Zell". Then in the body I asked if I had his attention, then blasted him for cutting into Kerry's speech.

[sub.theory]

58. I can't understand why Zell and Tweety aren't friends

I mean, they have so much in common. They are both two faced, closet repugs. To hell with them both.

[BigTad]

61. Triple fuck that bastard!

[WilliamPitt]

9. He's right

Cope.

The sun will rise tomorrow.

[AuntPatsy]

12. I might be able to cope but I have to agree with all of the above

posts, I am just too much a lady to say it like they have but I am thinking it....

[madfloridian]

22. Tell me, Will, when did Kerry get "his night."?

Just asking. I remember their swarming all over our convention.

[WilliamPitt]

28. He didn't

but he will.

[democratreformed]

24. And what a great day it will be.

I can't wait to see what tomorrow will bring. JK's speech was awe-inspiring.

[Dookus]

30. So you accept the notion

that having partisan idiots DISCUSSING the news is more important than actually COVERING the news?

[WilliamPitt]

31. I accept nothing the television tells me

but it was the night of his acceptance speech for a second term. He's going to get the coverage. Why this is shocking people after all this time is confusing to me in the extreme.

[Dookus]

36. because

Kerry's speech was NEWS. They could've spent 10 more minutes to cover it all, then go back to the bush-rimming.

This is indicative of the major problem with the cable news networks - they believe their opinions on the news are more important than the news itself.

You are a pundit, so I can understand why you might think that should be acceptable.

[WilliamPitt]

39. Get off it

with the sly little insult, Dook. I see the goddam beast for what it is. Period. Anyone surprised by media whoring has been asleep at the switch.

I'm just amused as hell. Matthews got a long, luxurious backrub from DU last week, and I've been waiting for this to happen.

[Dookus]

41. That wasn't meant as an insult at all

It was meant to point out that the people who control our news feel their own opinions are more important than the news itself.

That is undeniable. And I sincerely understand why you would agree with it. I meant no insult.

I do, however, disagree with your assessment.

[WilliamPitt]

44. I don't think my opinion is more important than the news

Bush accepted the nomination tonight.

Kerry blasted him.

As much as we want Kerry's blast to be the main story, it isn't.

[Dookus]

46. I didn't say it should be the main story

I said the news networks should cover it. It would've taken an extra 10 minutes, hardly an onerous burden on them.

It was news. They should cover the news.

In fact, the whole "culture of opinion" that has sprung up is the result of a failure to spend the time and money to actually COVER the news. I remember when CNN actually covered news around the clock.

They discovered it's cheaper to hire talking heads to sit around and yak about the news than to actually go out and uncover the news and bring it to us.

When was the last time a CNN "reporter" ever broke a real story? It simply doesn't happen anymore.

[WilliamPitt]

48. CNN covered it. MSNBC covered it. It's on the Times and Post sites

and will be in the print editions tomorrow, along with this:

"Wider FBI Probe Of Pentagon Leaks Includes Chalabi"

Front page of the Post.

[Dookus]

50. they covered PART of it

and that's the complaint being discussed here.

[WilliamPitt]

51. Never mind

[Dookus]

53. hrmm...

a post dedicated solely to saying "never mind".

I'm sorry you think I'm picking a fight with you - I'm not. I'm just making a point that I believe in. I had no intention of insulting you in any way.

But, since you've framed the debate....


whatever.

[Seabiscuit]

56. That's such a pile, Will.

Bush's speech was news until it was over. Then it was Kerry's time, and Kerry's speech was no less news. It *was* news. Period. By the time Kerry started speaking, Bush's speech was no longer "news" by definition. It was "old news" by then. Kerry's speech should never have been cut off by CNN and MSNBC. That's just yellow journalism and there's no excuse for it.

My wife happened to be watching it on MSNBC when Tweety popped in and cut him off. We had to switch to C-SPAN to watch the rest.

Fuck Tweety. And I suggest you rethink what "news" is, before you put up another post, Will.

[sub.theory]

45. You know, Tweety almost had me going for a while

..during the Swift Boat bullshit. I really thought he might have changed. I was wrong. I won't make that mistake again. He's as two faced as they come. Fuck Tweety.

[rl6214]

57. You're absolutely right

why would anyone think he would change his spots for good?

[eleny]

10. Yeah - "Or Else"

Well f tweet and his spittly lips.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

17. * doesn't need toilet paper

He uses tweety's lips

[moondust]

38. The real campaign started at midnight. It's a new day.

RNC is yesterday's news.

If they had wanted time to bask in the stench of that hatefest they should have scheduled the end of it for the morning hours so they would have had all day. That's one of the pitfalls of going last and they'll just have to GET OVER IT.

[progressivebydesign]

40. Here's why that is bullshit!

When the Democrats had their convention, most channels had extremely anti-Democrat, anti-Kerry dissecting everything, every night. Some stations didn't even bother to wait until they were thru talking.. like some sort of hate-filled MST3000. Matthews is wrong on this... After the shit the GOP flung in the past few days, it's JOHN'S time! Outta our way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Yupster]

54. If it was Bush's night, then

how come Mathews couldn't stop talking about Tom Brokaw?

I couldn't believe that. I learned in my high school newspaper not to let the reporter become the story and after Bush's speech all they could do was compliment Brokaw for 10 minutes.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

62. Excellent point!

[Cleita]

60. Tweety is always covering a wedding.

It's the funerals he avoids. When Bush's funeral comes, Tweety won't even throw him a thirty second epitaph. It will be as if he never existed. Watch.

[fujiyama]

63. King of Media Whores?

I've never seen a bigger media whore than Chris Matthews.

Sometimes you're amazed that he's making such good insights (like on Real Time with Bil Maher) or when he's ripping apart ass holes like Malkin and telling Ingram to shut up...and of course who can forget the Zell thing?

Then Tweety goes out of his way to show that he actually "likes" the president a lot. At this point I doubt Matthews even agrees with his policies (he didn't agree with the war) but he knows when to play a good little soldier for GE.