I'm scared Sh&tless right now!!!!

[angee_is_mad]

Just saw a recent poll on CNN showing that Bush is leading Kerry by 12pts. Is it too late? If not, what should we do that we have not been doing.
We have 2 months to get our asses in gear! Also what are the chances of us winning back both houses? Will that be affected by what Kerry is or isn't doing?
If it sounds like I am panicking you are right. I am scared shi@less right now!

[Blue_Roses]

1. OMG --

here comes henny-penny ---AGAIN! :eyes:

[murielm99]

36. I got really slammed yesterday for

suggesting that a newbie was a Henny Penny.

But I agree with you. I am tired of all the hand-wringing.

[Blue_Roses]

40. henny fucking penny

hi

[homelandpunk]

52. Don't roll your eyes at me!!

I'm so fucking tired of the "Henny Penny" shit.
You people get points from Will Pitt every time you post a Henny Penny sarcastic reply to a legitimate fear?
So.....you have NO-O-O-O-O concern. We're gonna win. Don't be scared. Right?
This is for our LIVES. Do you understand yet?

[dennis4868]

2. OMG

you are about 10 hours late to the party....this has been discussed and discussed and discussed here all day today....and dont say you are scared because you will be called a freeper or something....not by me of course.

[angee_is_mad]

14. maybe

concerned is a better word. Besides I am just getting on here tonight. I was just talking to my sister in Atlanta and she said that she was calling undecided voters all during the convention last night.
I am reading some of the other posts about Kerry, so I will try to get to speed. I am just getting VEry worried right now, but I do think his speech in Ohio last night was a great move.
It is time to take the gloves off and if it gets ugly, it just gets ugly.

[still_one]

23. The concept of undecided voters is bullshit

there is no such thing, especially in Georgia

[angee_is_mad]

26. Independent down South

means republican without the stigma. I work with a lot of independents and they have never voted for a democrat.

[Blue_Roses]

42. well then let them vote for Bush

forget it! No more pandering. If they have to be "courted" then they just want attention.

[angee_is_mad]

43. agreed

[JPJones]

3. Debunked - Karl Rove psy-ops, you should know better

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x743117

[Mick Knox]

4. Its a fake Rove poll

Every other poll except time shows we are winning or tied. Pay them no mind.

[WI_DEM]

47. the polls which come out next week will tell the story

Also most other polls were taken before Bush's speech. I think we will be behind but not by any twelve point margin.

[cheshire]

5. Check this out:

http://mydd.com/popup.html

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. *sigh*

Calm down. Better yet, use that fear to get the word out of the truth and how Kerry is the better choice.

[umtalal]

7. RELAX. ZOGBY WAS ON PBS AND SAYS IT IS KERRY'S TO WIN.

Stay strong.

[madmax]

20. I'm not sure if it's the last 4 or 5 elections.

Zogby has picked the winner each time. And he picked Gore in 2000 and Gore won by more than 500,000 popular votes. Then Jeb and Katherine stole Florida.

[umtalal]

29. Exactly my point. Zogby is scientific and no nonsense.

He made the other pollsters look idiotic during the 2000 selection.

[angee_is_mad]

25. I'm trying

but I am getting mad, so I have to get even. Thank God the party is energized.
The local NAACP here is trying to de-bunk myths about felons not being able to vote. Down here we are looking for votes wherever we can find them.
I just want Kerry to come out swinging, and get so bulldogs working around him who are not afraid to fight or at least know how to fight back!

[umtalal]

30. Read above post. We are not going to play nice this time. I am not

if I have to go charging to my DNC office to get my point I will.

[kestrel91316]

8. Fear not...................................

feel free to IGNORE those major media nationwide polls. They are meaningless, and probably fake propaganda anyway. The only polls that offer a clue are the state-by-state polls evaluated with respect to electoral college votes. And they are only just so helpful. Bush is toast.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

9. Psssst I'm letting die-hard bush supporters think it's true!!!

Come on guys! Use this to our advantage! It gets the bushies fat and lazy!!!!

Meanwhile we stay hungry and keep working!!!

[The Traveler]

22. Brilliant!

Really. Let them get smug while we stay hungry and work it.

[2Design]

10. lol

[Guaranteed]

11. 12 points, now?

Pssh.

[zulchzulu]

12. Bush was behind by 20 points 60 days outside of the 2000 Selection

Chimpy will get a dead cat bounce and it will soon be back to being even again...

Use your frustration to do grassroots work to get Kerry in.

[madmax]

13. These polls are bullshit...

Here's an unscientific poll for you. My GUT tells me this poll is wrong. All day I thought about it. How could bush and Kerry be dead heat for 3 months and BINGO RNC happens and bush jumps 11 or 12 pts.

It wasn't THAT good and his record stinks. I don't believe the polls.

Do you believe in Justice? Do you believe Justice is blind. Do you believe the USSC was right to select the President based on a bullshit 'equal protection clause'.

Do you believe the press is the Fourth Estate. Do you believe the press has liberal bias?

The only poll that matters is the one on Nov. 2. Get out the vote.

Cheer up bunky - we work hard, donate $$$ we'll win. :hug:

[still_one]

21. You are correct, but

it is more than that. This poll is a setup. It smells wrong. It matches the point difference that they said Kerry needed after the Democratic convention in order for that to be successful...

Something is rotten in Denmark...

Next week I know this poll will be invalidated by others

[ParanoidPat]

15. If you get scared over obvious bullshit like this......

......you're of no use here. :evilgrin:

Go surf for porn or something. :)

[angee_is_mad]

27. Can you

suggest any sites? I am sure you are an expert on porn! lol, just kidding. No really, but I am trying to be polite and save my energy for a bigger fight!

[Dr Fate]

16. Ohhhh- I just crapped my jeans!!!

OHHHH- the polls! THE POLLS I tellz ya!

MOMMY!!!

[Fridays Child]

17. Way to bare the jugular vein to the predator. How about showing...

...your soft underbelly, too?

[still_one]

18. get real, there is no way that is an accurate poll

The sampling is screwed. There is no way it was truely random

You don't have an election neck and neck, and then suddenly have a 12 point shift when essentially nothing profond has changed. Most people did not watch the conventions.

The only explanation is that they messed up.

Right after the Democratic convention they were all yelling how the only way it would be considered successful is if Kerry got at least a 10 point bounce. After the convention they pushed that he in fact lost points, which was not really accurate.

Don't you find it strange that they suddenly get a 10 point bounce from the republican convention. This is a setup. DO NOT BELIEVE IT. In a few days you will see the real results of the polls...

[ochazuke]

19. We're all scared.

There was always the chance that the rethugs will win this thing.

So, go out and work for the Kerry campaign. If you're not in a contested state, go to one.

Let's all do all we can. This is our COUNTRY, dammit.

[mzmolly]

24. Angee, I am right there with you. The thought that Americans could

vote for this guy in any great amount is beyond reason.

Hang it there. :hug:

[NMDemDist2]

28. one BS poll does not an election make

[Dhalgren]

31. Hey, we all get shook from time to time.

With the media fighting against us, it's hard to keep the old perspective straight. Don't let the snotty posts on this thread get to you. Keep the faith and as a great man once said,

"Let's go get those Bush bastards!"

[regnaD kciN]

38. What concerns me...

...is that, while the notion of a post-convention "bounce" is a real one, it seems that what you wind up with just after the second convention is generally the way it stays. As a matter of fact, looking back over every election since 1968, I can't think of a single case where the candidate leading in the polls just after the second convention didn't triumph at the ballot box in November. (And, in case you're wondering, that includes 2000 -- after the second convention, Gore was leading in the polls and, indeed, he got the most votes on Election Day...)

What this would suggest to me is that, in overtaking Bush between now and the election, Kerry will have to pull off something that hasn't been done since...when? 1960? (But that was the election where Nixon and the Republicans didn't take into account the visual effect of the televised debates, as opposed to the words that were spoken.) Maybe 1948???

:shrug:

I'm not saying it's impossible. It's just that, from my experience of the past forty years or so, it hasn't been done so far.

:-(

[angee_is_mad]

41. Its gonna be hard

but if we come together and get registered voters to actually vote, we can do it. I refuse to give up.
If Bush wins, God help him and us. If they think the country is divided now, if that SOB gets back in, they have not seen nothing yet!!!

[ClassWarrior]

32. So how many hours have you volunteered for Kerry?

If the answer is none, you have no right to be scared sh*tless. And if you are a volunteer, you have no reason to be scared sh*tless. We're gonna win as long as we ALL WORK HARD.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

33. And how many people have you registered to vote?

[ClassWarrior]

35. Are you a registrar M.S.?

My best experiences have been with HeadCount.org, the group that registers at the Dead, Phish, and Dave Matthews concerts.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

44. Yes deputy voter registrar for my county

[Dhalgren]

34. A little compassion and understanding

might do more good when talking to a person who is already a Kerry supporter. Being a bossy bully doesn't help anyone.

[angee_is_mad]

39. serious dialogue

and concerns is what we need. It is time that we stop sweeping dirt under the rug. Kerry has taken a beating from the swift boat ads and the repubs came out swinging at their convention. If someone hits me, I hit back even harder that's what I want. Call me vengeful.
Also, this post was not meant for everyone to state who is the better democrat, by how many voters he or she has registered. That is like the repubs saying that they are better Christians than the democrats. Give me a break and let's come together and make this happen.
And we wonder why people feel disenfranchised. Get off of this elitist bullshit!!!!!
Bash me all you want.

[umtalal]

48. Hey Angee, I am going to have a party when Kerry wins

what are you going to do?

[angee_is_mad]

49. Go 2 Disney World!!!!!!!

[umtalal]

50. no,don't do that. It is a republican haven.

[GaryL]

37. This poll has already been debunked.

Their sample data is badly skewed toward the chimp. This is a cheap method of gathering data. Rather than look for a serious distribution, the stop when the get 1000 respondents. Lazy, propagandizing assholes!

[regnaD kciN]

45. Many allegations, but no debunking...

I noticed the thread about the flawed methodology, and would have found it convincing, EXCEPT:

-- the polling organization corrects for the biases inherent in the selection group, and

-- the same flaws were in the samples for that organization's previous polls...the ones that showed Kerry even or tied.

If there was something specific about the polling methodology for the 9/2 results, that would be one thing. If that particular poll had always shown a sizeable skew toward Bush, it would be another. But, however we may want to deny it, by using what appears to be the same methodology that generated close results (and even some Kerry leads) in recent polls by the same group, there has been a sudden and quite large shift to Bush. Granted, we'll get a better picture in the next couple of weeks, as more post-convention polls are reported. But it seems the height of denial to decide to simply dismiss polls that give results not to your liking...unless you can show real evidence that this specific run of the poll was flawed. So far, that hasn't been done in this case.

[angee_is_mad]

46. but

the poll was taken before bush acceptance speech and lord knows that was lackluster at best!
Keep hope alive,but let's not get delusional about what is going wrong and what is going right in the campaign.

[DeepModem Mom]

51. Your feelings are entirely understandable, aim...

and you should be able to express them without having scorn heaped on you.