Newsweek Had Kerry Up By 10 Points After DNC

[ItsMyParty]

The CBS Evening News was reporting that Newsweek poll out today that has Bush 11 points ahead of Kerry and commented that after the Democratic National Convention this same poll had Kerry up by 10. I did not know that, and it sure put things in prospective for me. Now I know it's something that doesn't last. But, gee, I don't remember the media pumping that at all, do you???---in fact, I know the media did not pump that at all. There were no stories every 15 minutes and a continuous running ticker. Isn't it wonderful that we have to fight the Bush/Cheney campaign and the Media Whores campaign, too???

[Frodo]

1. It was Kerry by 7, not 10.

And it wasn't touted so much because that represented something like a two point bounce. So the lack of "bounce" was the story, rather than the absolute gap.

[scarletwoman]

3. Doesn't matter, what CBS SAID it was is what matters.

The CBS Evening News tonight said flat out that the post-DNC Newsweek poll had Kerry ahead by 10 points -- THAT'S the story, and that's the story that went out into the nation's living rooms tonight. NO ONE (except a tiny number of nitpicking political junkies) who heard that statement made TONIGHT is going to "remember" anything different -- Americans have no memory when it comes to this stuff!

And the "story" back then was almost immediately another "terror alert", the poll results faded from consciousness, other than the long term trend keeping Kerry slightly in the lead for the last several weeks.

sw

[Frodo]

5. So a CBS guy screws up and THAT is the story?

Truth doesn't matter, eh?

It wasn't a "big deal" because Kerry had jst finished his convention and only gone from a five point lead to a seven point lead.

A two point shift verses an eighteen point shift is really not the same story.

[sonicx]

9. I think her point was...

that the media is whoring (i'm shocked).

[scarletwoman]

10. I don't think you're getting my point.

"Truth" doesn't matter to the American public.

The point is, whether CBS saying that Kerry got a 10 point bounce after the DNC is factually correct or not doesn't matter. What matters is the public's perception. For the modern, TV-brainwashed electorate, perception IS reality.

CBS just did us a big favor, they made a Kerry/Bush comparison that basically helped to minimize the story of Bush's post-RNC bounce. I'm not about to nitpick about whether it was factual or not, it was a little gift from a segment of the corporate media that isn't totally kissing Bush's butt -- why complain?

sw

[sonicx]

14. btw

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh04gen.htm

if that link is right, the last newsweek poll was taken in late july. their new poll reflects the DNC convention bounce leveling off (we don't really know how much the bounce really was becuase the poll before that was taken 7/8), the RNC bounce, AND the swiftboat bounce.

[Spoon]

7. I saw this report as well, and was quite suprised when he left it out.

I thought for sure that he'd mention that it was only a 2 pt bounce, but he just never said it, implying a 10 pt post-DNC Kerry bounce. Will wonders never cease!

[shockingelk]

8. graphic

[scarletwoman]

12. Thanks for the great graphic!

Visuals really help!

sw

[shockingelk]

13. it's not surprising ...

That both candidates got modest to sizable boosts while the media was all convention all the time.

[West Coast Democrat]

19. But Kerry was already ahead in most of the polls before the DNC

so that should have been the story. It's rare that the challenger has a lead before his convention.

[TexasSissy]

21. Newsweek 7/30 Bush 41 Kerry 54 (K+13)

Newsweek 7/8 Bush 45 Kerry 51 (K+6)

You're right. It was a total increase of net 7. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THEY ARE QUOTING FOR THE TIMES POLL FOR BUSH. They are NOT quoting a net total increase. They are quoting the simple spread for that one poll, which is 10 or 11. It is not a 10 or 11 bounce for Bush, I believe. It's more like a total of 9 increase for Bush.

I think these were the numbers:
NOW: Bush 46 Kerry 44 (B+2)
8/24-26: Bush 52 Kerry 41 (B+11)

[RandomKoolzip]

2. Yeah, but what was their sampling profile like?

You know - was it 380 Republican, 300 Democrat, 300 Independent like the Time poll that just came out, i.e. blatantly skewed to hype Bush's numbers?

[ItsMyParty]

4. You know, I read somewhere that a good many of these polls

do have more republicans than dems because registered republicans vote in greater proportion than dems and, thus, they feel this gives a more accurate picture. Only thing is, that was then and this is now. Dems are fired up. New voters are fired up. Dems streamed to the primaries. So, that makes a lot of these polls just out of step for this particular election. Hell, we have an unelected president who lied us into war and that's going to bring a lot of people out.

[bigwillq]

6. The only polls that matter are on Nov. 2

Pass it on.

Let's continue to work hard to make sure Kerry gets in the White House.

[Bouregat]

11. Newsweek is pretty much on our side

They have been fairly reliable over the years. Evan Thomas came right out and said he was supporting Kerry. Isikoff, Quinlan, all reliable Democrats. George Will is the exception.

[autorank]

15. Welcome to DU!!! Now, about Isakoff...

...that guy destroyed Clinton. On the other hand, he's failed to come up with a really 'kick ass' story about Bush to date despite numerous opportunities. I'm in the DC area, Washington Post country. They own Newsweek. Be very sure that the Post is anti-Kerry, pro Bush, and has a singular focus on their business strategies and regulatory requirements. They suck big time. I think anything good out of Newsweek (a former favorite of mine in my youth) reflects the reporters and not an ownership or editorial preference. They're corporate toadies all the way! Again, welcome, you'll love it.

[West Coast Democrat]

17. Isikoff a Democrat?.....You must be kidding!!!

Very funny

[West Coast Democrat]

16. I posted on the same topic earlier today....

but I missed CBS News tonight. Interesting. Here's my thread:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x746609

[Nashyra]

18. Kerry got to big a bounce for the repukes after the convention

that's why we got the terror alert. Remember the big whohah about dean saying it could be political to raise the alert and ole wolfie climbed down his throat. If the repukes had not thought the bounce was any big deal there would not have been a terror alert. Hopefully Frances will do the same for the repuke bounce. Although i feel for the people of Florida and God Bless them I hope that they are safe.

[West Coast Democrat]

20. True...and Kerry was ahead of Bush* before the DNC Convention...

so it was even a bigger success that he was able to increase that lead, as the challenger and not the incumbent.