60 Minutes Barnes thread - post here

[mtnester]

Can't wait

[Beaverhausen]

1. well...

tell us!

[napi21]

6. Memo's from Col Killian, shrub's commanding officer.

Suspended not only for not taking physical, but faiure to perform his duties up to the standards of NG officer.

[ET Awful]

30. That's the memo that caught my interest the most

failure to live up to USAF/TANG standards.

That and the CYA saying he was being pressured to sugar coat reviews by General Straudt (was that his name?) and said he was having a hard time running interference and doing his job.

[napi21]

67. Wonder how Rove is going to spin this one?

The guys dead, so he can't fight back. Maybe it won't matter. All you really need to do is plant the seeds of doubt. That's Rove's MO isn't it? Might work against him this time.

[ikojo]

2. Ben Barnes had very little face time...

just enough to say he did give preferential treatment to Bush and other sons of the well connected.

They are giving more time to the "Killian memo." Of course Dan Bartlett is decrying it as Texas politics.

[karlrschneider]

7. He got a little more a minute ago

....

[Mr Bojangles]

28. I saw that earlier on

the CBS Nightly News.

In the snippet I saw the guy said "He (Killian, I'm assuming) was from Texas, and they play dirty down there"

Did he forget where Our Great President was the Great Governor of?

[tuvor]

107. Great sig.

I always thought of bush and cheney as Kang and Kodos.

[Mr Bojangles]

115. Awwww, come on

At least Kang and Kodos are amusing and easily thwarted ;)

[radfringe]

3. CBS went off the air in my area - just as they were starting the story

anyone else watching? Is 60 minutes running in your area?

I'm in NE-PA, all other stations local and cable are coming in except for CBS

:tinfoilhat: something going on????

[mtnester]

8. You know, my RR went down at the same time

and the boards were SLOW for a while after it came up..I thought WTF?

[radfringe]

11. where are you? I'm in North East PA area

[mtnester]

18. Central Ohio

and again my apologies for not responding sooner, I keep getting a bug error on the boards

[johnnie]

32. Mine ran

I have Adelphia in Cleveland.

[mtnester]

37. My cable TV ran fine

my RR internet service went on the fritz...sitting looking at the modem flashing...send...send...send

FINALLY I got the amber light

[johnnie]

40. Well

Du was swamped I think. I couldn't get on.

[melv]

21. they tried this in OKC as well, but

the email/phone tree got started and we swamped them with calls, and they changed their mind about airing it!

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

77. I don't understand.. they DID air the segment in OKC or not? n/t

[melv]

83. sorry. yes, they ended up showing it. n/t

[AmerDem]

26. MINE TOO

I have ADELPHIA cable..This was a set up nation wide no doubt!


edit: I live in Northeast Pa. also. I called and bitched. Thisa is a set up

[mtnester]

4. They found some personal documents from Killian who was

*'s supervisor...they are damming talks about how he tried to avoid drills for 6 months, how higher ups asked him to sugar coat reports, and titled one of them CYA and kept it at his home

(sorry the board is not working well, I just got back in)

[Libby2]

5. He's coming across as very credible

and honest.

[karlrschneider]

13. Yep.

;-)

[msanthrope]

9. HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!

Thank you George Killian!!!!!

Thank you for your CYA memo!!!

[BlueMole]

52. "Straight Arrow"

Didn't appreciate wasted * going over his head

[Lex]

10. Bush's spokesman Dan Barlett looked like he was going to cry.

Lips trembling. Eyes blinkling erratically.

[mr_binklesworth]

79. yup...

temples wrinkling...

I loved it - "This is the same stuff we see every time he runs for office."
Well, now it's more of an issue since much has been made about Kerry's service. I love how they showed Bush fibbing right to the cameras - "My dad did not influence anyone to get into the ANG".

Fwah.

-Cheers,
MF

[Catshrink]

98. * : Liar, liar, pants on fire!

But then, we knew that all along.

[ikojo]

12. Ben seems very remorseful about helping rich

kids escape what poor kids could not...the draft.

[Must_B_Free]

14. BOOM! Devistating to the Bush campaign - Showed Chimpy lying

Chimp was caught lying to the camera about not seeking any special favors.

CBS had all the docs and interviews to directly contradict what Chimp said on tape

[johnnie]

15. Pretty heavy stuff

Will it make an impact? Who knows....

[mtnester]

16. That's it???

That was damn short...too short

[aquart]

20. How long does it take to drop a bomb?

Think of this as a surgical strike.

[mtnester]

23. You are right

I was greedy and wanted to hear more for pure personal gloating

:)

[aquart]

110. Well, yes. We all want that.

Lots and lots of that.

[Scorpious_Maximus]

17. WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:nuke: :nuke: :nuke: :nuke:

[RamboLiberal]

19. Wow - this better have some legs - and story is up on CBS Website

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

<snip>

What has never surfaced before, reports CBS News Anchor Dan Rather, are four documents from the personal files of Col. Jerry Killian, Mr. Bush's squadron commander. They could help answer lingering questions on whether Lt. Bush received special consideration during his military service.

The first memo is a direct order to take "an annual physical examination" – a requirement for all pilots.

Another memo refers to a phone call from the lieutenant in which he and his commander "discussed options of how Bush can get out of coming to drill from now through November." And that due to other commitments "he may not have time."

On August 1, 1972, Col. Killian grounded Lt. Bush for failure to perform to U.S. Air Force/Texas Air National Guard standards and for failure to take his annual physical as ordered.

[melv]

22. YES YES YES

It's about Frickin' time!

[alcuno]

24. Send them an email thanking them.

I'm sure they'll get clobbered by the right.

[melv]

29. done!

it wasn't weak at all. 60 minutes is a respectable organization.

[alcuno]

38. For people who care, here's a link to CBS News.

Go to contact us at the bottom of the page.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

[Scorpious_Maximus]

36. Sent them an email thanking them. n/t

[yardwork]

75. So did I - I'm pleased with CBS. They also showed the Abu Ghraib photos

They're doing a decent job in a sea of extremely biased right-wing reporting.

[Nomad559]

91. Direct link to streaming video

http://winmed.cbsig.net/cbsnews/2004/09/08/video642089.wmv

[vivalarev]

25. I thought that was weak!!!!

the swift assholes got 3 weeks of nonstop exposure, and the ben barnes-bush awol gets 10 minutes...this is ridculous.

on top of that, the reporter on msnbc at around 6:15 says he's now tired of all the talk about vietnam, and now he will only focus on the issues. what kind of bullshit is this? now that its bush, they dont want to talk about it.

destroy the media now!!!!!

[dumpster_baby]

27. yep. We need to kill the media

And not only do we need to ihibit the size of corporations in the media, but inhibit the size of corporations in many areas of commerce.

[mistertrickster]

45. You're right, but this is just the beginning . . . now that the Boston

Globe and CBS are on it, the copy-cat media is going to have to cover it.

Once they do, the story-line will slowly change from "Bush--our iron jawed defender post 9-11" to "Bush--our lying sack of shit president imposter."

Think of what a sea-change this represents--the media have the perfect cover for digging into this now after all the Swift Boat Liars they breathlessly covered.

This is the most hopeful development I've seen since the campaign started--the Bush bastards thought they had all the damning evidence covered up, but NO, it's starting to leak out.

Thank God, there's some hope that our four years of hell may be coming to an end.

[Slit Skirt]

90. we should boycott the media

get a list of who we should watch....Oberman, 60 minutes, whatever and then email the rest en mass and say "we just shut our tv's off"


and then do it!

I emailed them this today after taking out a reference to bush refusing to answer questions about Cheney's remarks

did you remove a reference to the President refusing to answer a question about Dick Cheney's remarks yesterday.......?
I hope not...that would make me think that MSNBC IS BIASED TOWARDS THE PRESIDENT.

well the removal of this statement :

Bush refused to answer questions from reporters. He simply stared at a reporter who asked if he agreed with Vice President Dick Cheney’s assertion that if Democrat John Kerry is elected, “the danger is that we’ll get hit again” by terrorists.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5911852
is being talked about all over the blogs.........

It's a real problem in America, when the simple truth can't be reported........ISN'T IT?

CAN'T YOU ACT LIKE A REAL NEWS AGENCY?

well at least these guys had the courage to tell the truth.
http://www.boston.com/dailynews/252/wash/Bush_laments_loss_of_life_in_I:.shtml
''We mourn every loss of life,'' he said. ''We will honor their memories by completing the mission.''
Bush refused to answer questions from reporters. He simply stared at a reporter who asked if he agreed with Vice President Dick Cheney's assertion that if Democrat John Kerry is elected, ''the danger is that we'll get hit again'' by terrorists.

[Philostopher]

31. I hate to drop a sh*t bomb, here.

You know what the wingnuts are going to say, though. Barnes is a Dem and is doing fundraising for Dems, especially John Kerry; Dan Rather is a liberal media whore; the most important information came from a dead guy.

Yeah, I know -- I'm sure the stuff is all true. I'm just making a prediction on the lies that will butter the mouths of right-wing pundits, watercooler jockeys and those for whom the Nile is not just a river in Egypt.

I just hope at least some undecided voters watched this show without a Republican in the room to tell them what's wrong with it.

[Walt Starr]

33. Barnes was a red herring in this, Killian was the bomb that got dropped

Barnes is only a minor portion of the bomb dropped tonight.

[Scorpious_Maximus]

47. Great Assessment!

No one expected the Killian material. Totally blindsided the GOP Spin machine.


:nuke:

[Philostopher]

48. Hey, I didn't say the wingnuts' babble discredited any of it.

But Killian died twenty years ago, and as much as they want to believe Bush* is some kind of hero, they're going to go ballistic trying to shout this down. I'm not trying to discredit the information myself -- as I said, I believe it's true, and even if not, I have enough other problems with Bush* I didn't need it -- but I am trying to prepare people for what the Republicans they run into will say about it.

[Beaverhausen]

35. Anybody brave enought to go to FR and see what they are saying?

[mtnester]

41. You can't dress me in enough Hazmat gear

to go over there...sorry

:)

[mistertrickster]

89. Okay, I went . . . they're just livid, of course

Going to bitch at the sponsors and "open their wallets" to the Swifties for Satan.

Lots of posts linking to Nat'l Review idiots counting "points" that Bush accrued showing that "he did too" serve enough.

Strange, if he had the "points," what's with all the memos from his superiors ragging his ass about finishing his committment. And why can't he or the pentagon simply issue the documents showing that he did his service through pay stubs and retirement records?

Also, lots of posts on why Barnes is a despicable bastard--well, hell, he's a Texas politician working for Republicans, so that's a given.

Here's a typical sample post we can all savor by feeling superior to--
To: DoughtyOne
Hell, 99% of the young men my age tried to leverage for best advantage with regard to Vietnam.
I must be close to your age, and I know exactly what you're talking about!

And we both now that John Kerry got FOUR DEFERMENTS while he was in college, and asked for the FIFTH one, was turned down, and enlisted in the Naval RESERVE so he wouldn't be drafted into the Army!


42 posted on 09/08/2004 4:57:12 PM PDT by Howlin (I'm mad as Zell)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies >

*****
I guess "Howlin" missed the part on J.K.'s application where he REQUESTED service in Vietnam.

And by the way, Howlin, you're not cool enough for that e-name. That's a bluesman and dj's name--not a puerile dumbshit.

[alcuno]

42. It's the word "suspended" that caught my eye.

I never heard that before. Remember, 60 Minutes II gave us the Iraq prison scandal.

[Name removed]

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[Philostopher]

62. Um ... wasn't saying I believed it.

Saying that's what Republicans, who are living in a fantasy world, are going to hit us all with come tomorrow morning. You didn't read the post completely, I guess -- it says that's what Republicans will be saying, not what I believe.

[GOPAgainstGW]

76. Righttt! Must be Why Millions of Republicans are saying NO MORE BUSH!!!

including 1/2 the State of Texas that voted for the jerk in 2000!

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[Philostopher]

80. Maybe you'll understand my attitude better if you know...

that I live in southwestern Ohio, and hear that BS day in and day out. It's a Republican echo chamber, down in my part of Ohio -- if it wasn't for having Dems to hang around with here at DU, I'd blow my freakin' brains out. But I am quite adept at predicting what the spin from the admin will be, because I hear it out of my neighbors every day, around here.

I don't like it, and as I said -- I'm sure Bush* did as little as he could possibly get by with, and everything I've heard and read so far on the subject rings true to me. I've just had to hear the BS all my life, I'm great at doing simulations of it.

[yardwork]

81. I understand what you are saying, but I don't care what the Pukes will say

We've heard all their lies.

This story is important because it is the Truth. It's important that an American news show reported the truth about something. Despite all the money and power and influence replacing the truth with lies in this election, tonight a little bit of the truth got out.

[Philostopher]

87. I sincerely hope you're right, yardwork.

I hope that it reaches enough people to convince them the guy's a genuine hypocrite; a chickenhawk of the first water. But tomorrow I have to go to work and every time I walk past one of my co-workers' offices, hear Hannity/Rush/O'Reilly spinning ... spinning ... spinning. And I know that the spin makes an impact, because I've watched the polling in Ohio go from a fairly even mark to Bush* way ahead, and I know that a large portion of the reason the polling is going that way is spin ... spin ... spin. For a while, I thought there might be a chance for us, here -- but I just don't know. I'm amazed at how many people who live around me must just jam their heads in the sand 24/7 -- it's depressing. Even this, which should cause a major revolution, will be spun until it turns into cotton candy.

Hope it works outside Ohio -- I've lost hope in my home state, for the time being.

But I still think Kerry has a better than even chance of taking it in November. He's just gonna have to do it without my ignorant ostrich fellow Ohioans, apparently.

[BlueJazz]

100. I understand what you're saying.

We have to think and speculate what the Repugs will come up with so we'll be able to answer their Bullshit (after they spew it).... Or at least, that's what I got out of your post.

[Philostopher]

103. Yeah, or at least not splutter and look upset!

Believe me, I've heard it all here where I live -- I cannot understand how people whose kids are in the NG who've been deployed, and may soon be deployed again, can kick and scream about being frightened of Kerry, but I've heard it come out of somebody's mouth in recent weeks. Scared of what Kerry will do -- I mean, I guess sending this woman's son to die for the enrichment of Halliburton isn't scary for her at all. Husband's job has been outsourced, but Kerry frightens her.

This is the mentality I deal with day in and day out. I know not all parts of Ohio are like this, but the SW corner has historically been full of fReeper-minded people, and I seem to draw them like a magnet.

[BlueJazz]

108. Yep..Florida is a lot like that.

There are a lot of great Democrats in lower and middle Florida and then there's the top part (The panhandle and Jacksonville) that votes Repug all the way. I mean, Jacksonville (Hicksville) voted for Bush somethimg close to 70% in the last election....Barf!!

Not to slam Ohio but a friend of mine who used to live there said it reminds him of Southern Georgia...just further north. ....Geez...

[bigtree]

96. Ben Barnes was financial dir. for Scott McClellan's mom's repub. campaign

McClellan on Ben Barnes revaling how he helped Bush get into the National Guard:

"It is not surprising coming from a longtime partisan Democrat."

Barnes was the head financial officer for Republican Carole Keeton Strayhorn for Texas state comptroller in 2002, Scott McClellan's mother.

[Philostopher]

97. Like it's any surprise Scotty would misrepresent Barnes.

And Barnes did admit, at one point in the interview, that he was opportunistic. I mean, that's hardly an indictment of Ben Barnes -- most politicians are opportunistic, or they never get beyond county auditor or dogcatcher. But it'll be interesting to see if it gets any press beyond what you just posted here.

[Darby]

34. At end Barnes conceded that he had "power over life and death"

in choosing who went to the Guard and therefore avoided Vietnam, and said he should not have had that power.

[Darby]

57. Said can't see Vietnam memorial without thinking about it a lot

[yardwork]

78. That's true. The section of the Wall for 1968 is the deepest

cut into the angle, with the greatest numbers of dead. That Memorial is a work of genius.

[Chomskyite]

39. WAFB, the Baton Rouge affiliate, has censored it

We're being shown a four-year-old St. Jude special at the moment. Their phone is off the hook and they're not answering emails.

This afternoon they'd assured a member of our local peace group that 60 Minutes would be shown.

Here's their programming director's email:
[e-mail]

Here's their off the hook phone number:

1-225-383-9999.

Support us as we let these local Right-wingers with a station and a responsibility to show the news what we think of their abuse of the public trust!

[mtnester]

46. Call the national CBS office or 60 minutes direct

raise hell, after all they ARE a franchise

[alcuno]

51. I can't believe the affiliates taking off 60 Minutes II.

I'll email them, but the fact that they'd do it is truly frightening.

[Flubadubya]

56. Well I'll be damned...

Velcome to zee Bushkevik's Amerika! That is OUTRAGEOUS!!!!

[mistertrickster]

63. Good point--remember how the CONservatives were always saying

"thank God we live in America where the news isn't censored."

We should write to this station and tell them to "move to Russia!"

[aquart]

111. I didn't even know they could do that.

[grasswire]

43. remember....

...it was Bartlett who scrubbed the service records prior to the 2000 campaign. He has always been the point person for Bush's AWOL problem.

Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind, Danny.

[buycitgo]

95. soooooohhhhhhhhhhh....criminal acitivities here?

hmmmmmm?

[irancontra]

44. Barnes is a Dem and is doing fundraising for Dems, esp. John Kerry..blah

this excuse is getting tired & voters can see past it.

[disneyboy]

50. OVER?

OH damne is it over ALREADY? I thought it was at 9! I was watching ALL MY CHILDREN on SoapNet when i remebered! How was it?

[mistertrickster]

68. It rocked--check the link above to see the summary on the 60 Mins

homepage.

This is going to hurt W=Wrong. He's on tape getting caught in statements that don't jibe with the record on paper.

[Spazito]

55. Barnes was also the chief fundraiser for White House spokesperson...

Scott McClellan's mother, a republican politician in Texas so they lost that "meme" too.

[Darby]

49. Bartlett gave evasive answer as to why Bush did not take medical exam

"He contacted his superiors about his personal situation".

HOW LONG DOES IT TAKE TO TAKE A PHYSICAL? ONE HOUR? ARE THERE NO DOCTORS IN ALABAMA?

Then by insisting Bush received an honorable discharge, he only hurt his case - CLEARLY in order to get that HD strings had to be pulled because Bartlett just indirectly admitted Bush did NOT in fact take a physical after receiving a DIRECT ORDER to take the physical.

Too busy to follow a DIRECT ORDER? What in the hell else takes precedence over that? During a time of war, no less.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

73. The point is, in the military, you don't get to "discuss" your "personal

situation" with your commanding officer, or if you do, expect that that will in any way influence their decisions.

Good commanders will care about your situation, and do what they can within reason to accomodate you so long as it is consistent with the goals of the unit and the mission.

Not taking your flight physical and letting your flight status lapse, for an aviator, because you'd rather work on a campaign than do the cushy National Guard job that was your assignment, does not fall under the category of personal situations meriting consideration. This would be like a doctor letting their medical license lapse. Then you cannot practice and are useless for what your are trained/hired to do.

Bartlett was trying to present this like the then future emperor and his C.O. were on some kind of equal footing. CO told him to get ready and report for his physical. Shrubya had "other priorities" campaigning in Alabama. So he told his CO to go pound sand! He "discussed it" with him! What's everyone so upset about? :shrug:

[A_Possum]

53. So the late Killian is accused of a "partisan attack?"

BWAHAHAHAHA

As someone above said, CBS just took the pugs for the ride of their lives. It wasn't Barnes at all...it was the memo from Killian.

BTW, what does CYA stand for?

[Philostopher]

58. Cover ye'r ass!

That's what CYA stands for. Cover Your Ass. Which means Killian suspected there would be repercussions for following the rules when it came to a politically powerful man's son. No surprises there.

[A_Possum]

59. Ohhh now I'm laughing even harder

About all they can say to this is some claim that the memo is forged.

[misterphelps]

61. Didn't mention black mail + Texas lottery contract

Am I losing it, or wasn't there something here about outing Bush's Gaurd service if they didn't get a no bid contract to run the Texas lottery?

[Flubadubya]

64. Cover Your Ass...

:evilgrin:

[ET Awful]

71. CYA - Cover Your Ass

Standard parlance in the military when you want documentation to back up what happened in case it's ever questioned later.

It's seeped out into general use as well, but the military is the first place I heard the term.

[CornField]

60. The Shrub purposefully disobeyed a direct order

from his commanding officer. What's the penalty for that?

Better yet -- those of us who lost loved ones in Vietnam (you know, those guys who took the place of those receiving a war-time pardon), do we get to go slap the holy shit out of the priviledged? (I'll be happy to go first.)

[napi21]

69. Penalty would have been immediate activation to 'Nam!

There's another post on DU from a Lt. Col. retired from the Ala. NG. Those are his words, not mine. That's how they kept the Ng's in line. The threat of activation was the one thing they didn't want!

[yardwork]

86. Welcome to DU!

I'm sorry for your loss.

[canuckybee]

65. Barnes was so impressive

quiet, determined, careful to stick to facts and not sensationalize, self critical without lapsing into " I have sinned". I could not ask for a better person to be telling this story.

[Mayberry Machiavelli]

66. I thought it was a good segment. Especially since there was documentation

of the story. But they could've spent a minute or so explaining how they just got these documents now but they've been unavailable up to this point.

The shrubya "true believers" will simply not believe any of this stuff. They'll refuse. I hope it will help with some undecideds, or some who were going to vote for shrub or against JK for very weak reasons.

[DURHAM D]

70. This has to last more than one news cycle.

Please post notice if anyone sees scheduled interview for Barnes or the Col.

TNX

[napi21]

72. For anyone who missed the show, info is at this link!

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

I just scanned it, but it looks like everything is there.

[AmerDem]

74. I hope they put up the full video!

fucking cable company knocked CBS off line!

[napi21]

82. Here it is!!!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2327684

[AmerDem]

85. wonderful

Thanks a bunch. Now I hope the traffic isnt too bad...yea right!:toast:

[RamboLiberal]

84. I don't understand Joshua Marshall's reaction - Rolled by WH?

A bunch of folks have written in to ask what I thought of Dan Rather's piece on the Bush Guard story. All I can think to say is, that's what's called getting rolled by the White House.

Supposedly CBS is going to put these memos themselves up on their website later this evening. Will they ask the White House for permission?

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/

I thought it somewhat hard hitting to AWOL? What do you all think about the above reaction? Does Marshall know more that CBS didn't cover?

[AmerDem]

88. Apparently he feels that

60 Minutes would probably have done a more time consuming piece on this issue but the white put so much pressure on them.

[alcuno]

93. I thought it meant that Rather didn't challenge Bartlett.

Just let him give a canned response.

[Name removed]

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[RetroLounge]

94. Because he was Speaker of the House then, DUH!

any other questions, new guy?

RL

[alcuno]

105. It's just a COINCIDENCE that the son of a Congressman got a boost

into the NG. These people know what happened and just don't care.

[girl gone mad]

101. Barnes has already said he got Bush is..

when he was Speaker of the House, not LG.

[WI_DEM]

109. now how do you try to explain Bush trying to shirk his responsibilities

and getting reprimanded for that too as well as not taking his physical. This is pretty impressive stuff compared to the pack of lies coming from the Swift Boaters. Kerry actually did serve in Vietnam and was decorated for valor, Schrub got a cushy Guard duty and tried to shirk that.

[cheshire]

99. Shrubs spokesman eye is twitching something fierce. LIar.

[AmerDem]

102. where, when?

you have a link? i'de love to see these weasels squirm!

[crickets]

106. Direct link to streaming video

http://winmed.cbsig.net/cbsnews/2004/09/08/video642089.wmv

Posted by Nomad559 here:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2327626

[AmerDem]

112. that doesn't show Bartlette squirming.

never mind

[crickets]

114. Apologies

I didn't realize it was an encapsulated version of the program. I took it at face value that it streamed the segment as is. My bad.

:dunce:

[crickets]

104. The file video of soldiers in Vietnam

juxtaposed with a photo of Bush grinning in his little Yale "Y" cap made a powerful statement. The file clip of W denying preferential treatment is also telling. His eyes are flicking constantly until he finally looks away from the camera entirely to deliver his last sentence.

Bartlett's statement, "I chalk it up to politics. They play dirty down in Texas. I've been there. I see how it works." Yes, dear. So do we. Bush is the Texas man, not Kerry, and the hypocrisy reflects poorly on BUSH, not Kerry. At one point, Bartlett lies in direct contradiction to the evidence shown before he is asked about Bush's refusal to follow a direct order. Bartlett looked every tiny inch the greasy PR shill that he is.

Bless you, Colonel Killian, for covering your ass with personal files. You were covering our asses too. I don't envy Robert Strong being in the hot seat, but he did a nice job walking the tightrope. He was honest without badmouthing anyone. Interesting that General Buck "wants to sugar-coat it" Staudt wouldn't consent to an interview about Killian's correspondence with him.

At no time did the word 'desertion' come up. It should have. The door is open, and I hope some journalist somewhere finally bothers to walk on through it.

BARNES: "You walk through the Vietnam Memorial, I tell you, you'll think about it a long time. I don't think that I had any right to have the power that I had, to be able to choose who was going to go to Vietnam and who was not going to go to Vietnam. That's a power, in some instances, and I looked at those names, maybe of determining life or death, and that's not a power that I want to have. I'm very, very sorry."

I have great respect for Barnes' comments and apology. Honestly and graciously admitting a mistake is the mark of the better man, far above the one who continues to duck the truth.

edits: spelling. heh, that'll teach me to use a WP before posting something this long.

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113. Kick.

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Bwaaahahahahahahah!

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