"INDEPENDANT" document examiner??? I don't THINK so!

[LynnTheDem]

Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines said the memos looked like they had been produced on a computer using Microsoft Word software. Lines, a document expert and fellow of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, pointed to a superscript — a smaller, raised "th" in "111th Fighter Interceptor Squadron" — as evidence indicating forgery.

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstories_story_254080625.html

And just HOW "INDEPENDANT" is Ms Lines???

Glad ya asked that question!

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[Cocoa]

1. a new low

even jaded old me is stunned by the depths the media has sunk to, to protect the naked emperor.

[cthrumatrix]

4. send it to CBS ...great find

[74dodgedart]

2. Good find

kick

[cthrumatrix]

3. blast this to the media ... bigtime

[cthrumatrix]

5. let's have Dan Rather interview her with a real IBM tyewriter ...LOL

[seabeyond]

6. good job. i tell ya. we may not be good at being crooks and liars

but we sure are good and the thinking and examinin. lol lol

i like. not that it will get out

[Papa]

11. Yes, we are good with the facts but terrible liars.

[seabeyond]

14. isnt that a b*tch,..........bah ha ha ha oh well. n/t

[yardwork]

7. I'm not surprised

Her comments were absurd.

Democrats need to hit back against this. So does CBS. Write to CBS and tell them not to back down.

[MissB]

8. What about the other guy

The one in Phoenix? William Flynn? He is listed in the CNN and MSNBC articles this morning.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5955784/

[Zookeeper]

22. I checked out William Flynn last night...

He has 20 years of experience and is the Vice President of the American Board of Forensics Documents Examiners.

I didn't find any links to BushCo. No contributions listed on Open Secrets.

[displacedtexan]

23. What did William Flynn have to do with Nazi War Criminal Trial?

I googled him and found the transcript of the DEMJANJUK trial. All of the "typewriter" experts were called to debunk the documents which "proved" that this guy was a war criminal.

Hm.

http://meltingpot.fortunecity.com/pakistan/83/2001/jd20010529.html

[Karenina]

9. This document dust bomb

in the DUMBEST DISTRACTION yet. *Dauphin is a lying dipshit who ducked his duty AND CONTINUES TO DO SO. Next question, please. ;-)

[bushwakker]

10. good work

[Shrek]

16. Here's a guy who may be more legit

http://www.iht.com/articles/538218.html

(snip)

Philip Bouffard, a forensic document specialist from Ohio who created a commonly used database of at least 3,000 old type fonts, said he had suspicions as well. "I found nothing like this in any of my typewriter specimens," said Bouffard, a Democrat. He also said the fonts were "certainly consistent with what I see in Times Roman," the commonly used Microsoft Word font.

However, Bouffard said, a colleague had called his attention to similarities between the font in the memos and that of the IBM Selectric Composer of the early 1970s. He said there did in fact appear to be similarities and he was checking further.

But he said it would be unusual for Bush's commanding officer to have had the IBM machine because of its large size. Bouffard said that he would see on Friday if the fonts matched more closely.

[cthrumatrix]

18. the claim of forgery is debunked... time to attack on thier lies

[LynnTheDem]

19. Except the FACT

That IN FACT the USAF THEMSELVES plainly and clearly show they DID USE IBMs back in 1969:

The Air Force was using testing this model in April 1969 according to their own information.

"690400
A Service Test was completed for the International Business Machines (IBM) "Selectric" typewriter and Magnetic Tape "Selectric" Composer."

http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:PZnx1vdH-6oJ:https://web1.ssg.gunter.af.mil/ho/documents/chronologies/Air%2520Force%2520Data%2520Systems%2520Design%2520Center%25201969.doc+selectric+military&hl=en

[Avalux]

12. Send to CBS

and other media outlets. Excellent work.

[mbali]

13. GREAT catch!

The CBS News website not only quotes this woman, but it actually HIGHLIGHTS here quote separately on the page:

QUOTE:
"I'm virtually certain these were computer generated."
Independent document examiner Sandra Ramsey Lines

Check it out: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

[The Magistrate]

15. Good Find, Ma'am

Not only does this person have no expertise whatever in antique documents, she is a partisan campaign shill....

"LET'S GO GET THOSE BUSH BASTARDS!"

[cthrumatrix]

17. now....go back to the media and have them ask the real GD questions

about shrubya's awol!!!!!!!!!

[comsymp]

20. OK, either I'm not too bright or not too observant

Went to the website and couldn't find a reference to Ms. Lines anywhere! Where/which page exactly did you find the linkage?
TIA

[LynnTheDem]

25. Halfway down the article

http://cbsnewyork.com/topstories/topstories_story_254080625.html

[comsymp]

27. Add "communication" to my list of eroding skills

:-)

Got the Lines reference in the CBS story. What I couldn't find was a reference to her at the Wishlist site, specifically the info you had posted. That's where I experienced my gap. Many apologies for the lack of clarity in my previous post.

[City Lights]

28. I was wondering the same thing and found this:

The WISH List 22-3145929 Sandra Ramsey Lines Paradise Valley AZ 85253 Self Forensic Document Examiner 95.0000 20040408


ww.publicintegrity.org/527/handler-download.aspx?act=txt&type=con&org=574&year=2004

I'm going to call CBS now.

[comsymp]

31. Ahh, TY, DD

Had tried to check Opensecrets but was timing out.

Huge help!

[LynnTheDem]

32. Ahhh gotcha!

Sorry about that, my fault, really. I looked up the Public Integrity site, that's where she's listed, as per DesertDem's post. I just forgot to include the PI link. I'm a duhhh. :D

[tandot]

21. All the networks have been freeped yesterday

and they fell for it without questioning. Freeper say it is a forgery so it must be...no doubt :eyes:

I wish they would have questioned the "SlimeVets for Bush" and the Niger documents as fast as they did the AWOL Bush documents.

[cthrumatrix]

24. not freep'd ...but told how to respond from the WH and Rove...daily spin

[Triana]

26. Good grief - SEND this to Dan Rather, CBS

...and as much of the media as you can!

[74dodgedart]

29. Somebody has to have a Selectric in a closet somewhere....

type the memo and compare it..This can't be that hard for a journalist to verify

[LTR]

30. I posted this over at Media Matters

They act on most of this stuff.

http://mediamatters.org/comments/00018198

[girl gone mad]

33. Look at this:

http://www.publicintegrity.org/527/docs/9558307.pdf

[City Lights]

34. I just got off the phone with CBS Evening News.

This forum was down when I started a thread in GD, but I'll add this here too.

I called them with he information uncovered by LynnTheDem about their so-called independent expert. She thanked me for calling and said they are being assaulted with negative calls. I sent a follow-up email containing links to the information so they can verify it themselves. Thanks, LynnTheDem, for doing the leg work!

If you want to make a difference, please call with any information you have that you think will be helpful. Their number is: [phone]. You can always follow-up with an email.

Edited to correct phone number.

[grasswire]

36. don't trust her to pass that on...

...simply because she is probably busy. Call back and ask to speak to a producer or to leave a message on the producer's voice mail. Say you have a tip.

[City Lights]

39. The person I spoke to is not the person who answered the phone.

I gave the receptionist a summarized version of the story and she transferred me. The woman I spoke to sounded relieved to get the information. She instructed me what to write in the heading of the email with the links for verification so she'll recognize it when it comes through. If you think more needs to be done, please feel free to call them.

[LynnTheDem]

38. Thanks, DD!

Someone should also let CBS know about the US Air Force's own document showing that they were indeed using IBMs back in 1969; and as we all know now, IBM did have proportional spacing and superscript.

Poor rightwingnuts; they KNOW they're such total stupid RUBES that were conned duped scammed by bushCartel and as a result are complicit in the deaths of tens of thousands of men, women, children, infants, FOETUSES...and they can't face up to their own guilt.

Too bad for them. God will someday see to it that they do so.

[wryter2000]

35. Well done! eom

eom

[Randers]

37. kick

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