Those basTARD's over at Free Republic are offering a "$10,000 reward!"

[TexasDem4life]

I feel the need to go shower after viewing their site. They are offering a $10,000 reward to anyone who can duplicate CBS's "memo's" on a typewriter available during 1972. Read the filth for yourself

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1213104/posts

http://defeatjohnjohn.com/2004/09/10000-part-two-ibm-selectric.htm


BASTARDS!!!!

[slor]

1. Take the challenge...

then take their money. Donate to a Democratic cause.

[GOPAgainstGW]

22. EXACTLY - GO FOR IT! - Except Donate Some to DU for a Nicer Web Site!

[glitch]

52. Except- they're as likely to pay it as they are for all the swift books

they ordered to boost the ratings.

[GOPAgainstGW]

67. Exactly! but Kitty Kelley's Book Will Bury Them Next Week

[Catfight]

2. DESPERATE! Their false prophet is a Liar, Cheat and dishonorable

American fake.

[Prodemsouth]

23. This proves they are wounded and why we need to keep the pressure

on.

[expatriot]

3. How much are Selectric Composers going for on Ebay? nt

[Citizen Daryl]

5. Probably for a SHITLOAD now. n/t

[expatriot]

7. FYI: If you have one in your attic, this would be a good time to put it up

on ebay.

[expatriot]

10. did a search on EBAY, 12 'golfballs' for sale, different fonts....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25326&item=3838177807&rd=1


Check it out!

"The fonts are:Prestige Elite, Delegate, Pica, Courier 12, Symbol 12, Olde English, Bookface Academic, Dual Gothic, OCR, Script, Astrology and CPXL"

I didn't realize until this controversy that these electric typewriters came in multiple fonts either. If you'd have asked me a few days ago, I would have said no way.

[GOPAgainstGW]

25. HEY BUSH - CHENEY NEEDS SOME NEW F - BALLS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Protected]

99. More font balls

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41816&item=3838035655&rd=1

[Citizen Daryl]

4. Honestly, it IS a valid point.

If someone can duplicate it, it would provide much needed validation.

Personally, I still have my doubts - at least that these are original copies of the memos.

[buff2]

14. Yeah.......it's hard to believe King George would do anything dis-honest

and dis-honorable isn't it? :puke:

[Citizen Daryl]

65. No, but if you've got the evidence, you can stick it in their faces.

Not that it will make a lot of difference to the Kristian Koolaid Kult, but ...

[Prodemsouth]

19. Again, there is evidence of people who back up the memos at that time

plus other typescrpit memos release by the white house itself are similar. If these Memos just appeared out of thin air like those that Free Republic is trying to do- they would be descrited by experts in a matter of hours.

[Justice]

6. I have no problem with that

someone will take them up on it.


Silly.

[buff2]

8. No Thanks......

Besides,those bastards don't have 10 cents to rub together let alone 10 grand. Those people are nothing but trouble making scumbags who have the mentality of a snake.

[Fleshdancer]

9. They need to use that money on making a better website n/t

[expatriot]

13. Yes. SPEAKING of fonts... have they ever heard of CSS Styleshets?

I cringe at every site that still uses the standard New Times Roman default font.

[derby378]

20. It's a Times New Roman world, silly!

On a more serious note, I use Book Antiqua, Gill Sans MT, Trebuchet, and Verdana when I can get away with it - I just like variety.

Mabella's a pretty cool font, too - Argentinian, funky, slightly retro, and looks great when bolded.

[gristy]

11. Do you mind if I don't?

filth? bastards? You have an odd way of convincing me, Duer of 11 posts. Welcome to DU, I guess.

[GOPAgainstGW]

12. There is Nothing the Matter With This! $50,000 HAS BEEN OFFERED

to the Person that can prove Bush was at NG in Alabama. No one has come forward!!!!

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[Ediacara]

15. Who has access to an IBM Selectric Composer?

I'd be in for a quick and easy ten grand!

[ET Awful]

16. I say we trade them someone who served with Bush for it

There's been a $10,000 reward out for someone whou can prove they saw Bush serve in Alabama for over a year that nobody's claimed.

[Onlooker]

17. What's the problem?

If they spell out what they mean by duplicate, it seems to me that someone will be able to collect the $10,000. I bet IBM must have old typewriters and typeballs somewhere. Wonder if there is an IBM museum? I just sent the link to the guy who runs this webpage:

http://www.ibmtypewriters.com/

Who knows, maybe he has the right typewriter around.

[TexasDem4life]

21. Here is someone who tried it

They had the most adcanced typewriter at the time, the IBM typewriter in question, and they took the challenge, see results for yourself. Scroll down about 1/4 of the screen.

http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/

Close to a match, but read the story. I'm praying someone can make it match EXACTLY, like the current versions of MSWORD do.

[Spazito]

27. ROFL!

*

[Robbien]

29. Yesterday all your posts were RW talking points about CBS

And today you are posting FreeRepublic posts in Late Breaking News and again posting the debunked "EXACTLY" RW talking point.

Why is this? Why are you posting Freeperville as if it were a NEWS source and why are you repeating Freeperville talking points as if they were facts?

[TexasDem4life]

51. As I said, i'm looking for answers so I can fight back

Why don't you help instead of attacking me? If we can answer these questions, we can discredit the wingnuts completely. We can end this story NOW.

[Onlooker]

31. It will never match exactly; that's why the reward is a fraud

Those typewriters were probably largely mechanical. The ball on one would strike the platen differently than the ball on another. Further, the balls got dirty (ink filled the little spaces in letters like "a" and "g"0 and got worn. The best one can do is come close, but a perfect match is probably impossible. The reward is therefore disingenuous (and won't be taken seriously), unless they spell out exactly what they mean.

[TexasDem4life]

33. Then how do you explain MS Word matching exactly?

You can do it in under 5 minutes. God I wish I didn't have doubts, but I do.

[Robbien]

39. Why are you so desperately trying to post RW talking points?

Are you having fun posting freeperville talk?

[TexasDem4life]

43. No, i'm trying to get points to fight back N/T

[Robbien]

45. Ha. Sure you are.

You are fooling no one.

[Spazito]

41. ummmm, matches what exactly?

copies of copies of the copies on the internet? Unless you have CBS's documents it means squat even if it did match exactly, which it doesn't.

It is up to those who scream forgery to prove it, they have not.

[TexasDem4life]

49. Ok, if you are right

That the wingnuts have not proved forgery, please explain to me how MS Word matches EXACTLY. I need to find out how to combat that charge. Is there no one here who can explain that?

[Spazito]

50. Please give a CREDIBLE link to your claim that MS word matches...

EXACTLY and a website does not qualify as credible imo. I suggest your time would be better spent sending out e-mails asking the media to confront bush with the three questions posed by Mr. Rather.

[TexasDem4life]

54. Credible website?

I have heard on NBC, ABC, and CNN newscasts that the document was reproduced exactly w/o effort. I have seen this experiment done, could link you to them, but you wouldn't find them credible I bet. I saw an animated gif of the 2, and it was damning. I'm not giving up hope. We need to explain this, it is their biggest talking point. If we can explain why MS Word matches exactly, we can take their wind out of their sails. I fear though, that many "credible" websites will show the examples next week. :(

[Spazito]

57. ROFL, "I heard" is not exactly credible...

again, post link to a credible source saying and showing what you purport to have seen.

You really are quite funny! Thanks for the chuckle!

[deutsey]

86. Try us

Where are the links?

[Spiffarino]

92. Sorry, but

...you aren't very good at this. Go back to shill school.

[tandot]

97. And NBC, ABC, and CNN have heard it from freepers claiming to be "experts"

There is absolutely NO validity to your and their claim. They are regurgitating right-wing talking points and talking to "experts" who are clearly politically affiliated with the Republican party and who are staunch Bush supporters.

It is a sad sign of our times that journalists you do investigative work and present us with facts are called into question, while journalists who are getting their talking points from the White House are given a pass.

The indisputable fact is that the incompetent ass who now says he is our "War President" was actually not fulfilling his duty and even refused direct orders from his commander. The "strong" leader shit his pants when it came to fighting and defending America and preferred other soldiers to spill their blood in Vietnam.

[DavidMS]

95. According to what I heard...

In the late 1980s / early 1990s there was a war between Apple, Micro$oft and Adobe on typeface quality. Much of the effort focused on the Times New Roman font. As a result its very similar to what IBM licenced for its Times New Roman Type Balls.

[Occulus]

58. NO YOU CAN'T

because they DON'T MATCH.

Let me say that again: THE ORIGINAL CBS DOCUMENT AND THE SAME THING FROM MS WORD AREN'T IDENTICAL.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x789316

posted by mellowinman:

Numbers are different (compare "187")

CBS document type obviously has some characters that persistently print over or under the baseline (as typewriters do). For instance the "s" prints under baseline.

The roundness of the "o" is quite different.

The capital "B" has a different size on the top loop.

Check out the top of the "l" on both documents. The typewriter copy from CBS has a serif ornament that Times New Roman lacks in the MS Word sample.

Even the super-script "th" is absolutely different in both documents. Apples and oranges, people!!!

-----

Ok, TexasDem4Life, explain to me who is right: me or my lying eyes.

The original and a MS Word copy are not identical. Not even close. Stop mentioning MS Word. You're flat-out wrong- so wrong I'm almost thinking you're being paid to say what you're saying.

The image above demonstrates in what ways, exactly, you are wrong. Wrong as green sun, three dollar bills, cement granola, and any other number of wrong things. Even without pointing out the differences, I can tell the difference between the two. In fact, I can tell the difference unmagnified, the differences are that obvious.

The docs are genuine. Give it up.

[TexasDem4life]

59. The LETTERING matches EXACTLY!!!!

Show the entire document super-imposed over each other, without enlargeing it 800%. It is an EXACT MATCH. The reason the one "th" in your example looks darker is because it has been copied and faxed several times. Give me something to work with here people!!!!PLEASE!!!! IF you were to copy your MsWord example and fax it as many times as the original, they would be PERFECT matches. You are talking about one millionith of an inch difference, which isn't proof. Please, give me the points to fight back. All my relatives are wingnuts.

[Occulus]

71. *sigh* look at the vertical positioning

of the "th" superscript. Even factoring in an 800% enlargement, the two are different. Very different. Aside from that, the horizontal positioning of the actual words themselves is different, and in fact, some of the letters are shaped a bit differently.

The most telling part is the baseline in the CBS documents. It's jagged. The Word copy is NOT. When I look to see if something was manually typed or printed on a PC, that's one of the things I look for.

Sorry. No amount of attempted debunking on your part will convince anyone here.

[Protected]

101. If you print out the Word document,

the th superscript is printed higher than it is displayed on the screen.

[AmerDem]

100. I don't think your relatives are the only ones who are "wingnuts"

If ya get my drift!

What's that I hear? Oh yes, the sounds of Limpballs, Insannity, and FUAX News taking over the mind of a delusional poster!

[aquart]

61. MS Word did NOT make an exact match.

There was a spacing error in the "original" that MS Word did not make since it automatically corrects.

That alone should knock out Word as the source.

[LynnTheDem]

82. NO

IT DOES NOT MATCH.

I realize you very badly want it to match...

BUT IT DOESN'T MATCH.

GET OVER IT.

[gardenista]

93. I like how all 'yall have Texas in yer screen naymes. nt

[Ready4Change]

18. Do they say "anyone" or "the first to"

If they say anyone they could go broke REAL fast.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

24. What would it prove?

So one gets a typewriter from that era and reproduces a note on TANG-like stationary? What would it prove? No one alleged the note could not be reproduced. Of course it can. What was alleged was that the note was authentic and that base on THAT as well as a preponderance of the evidence, George Bush did not complete his military service...maybe if he had....terrorism would have been a priority when it REALLY needed to be...i.e. a month before it happened. Fucking idiots...let them waste their money. I should go to storage at my office and get one of our old IBM selectrics out.

[TexasDem4life]

30. Here is a better link, they say CNN contacted the same guy

The man who tried this evidently was contacted by CNN and other news sources. Not sure if I believe that.

http://shapeofdays.typepad.com/the_shape_of_days/2004/09/the_ibm_selectr.html

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

35. He probably was contacted by CNN...this is about the state of their

reporting quality...get some crack pot off the internet...now...what about a PREPONDERANCE OF THE EVIDENCE CNN?

[chenGOD]

63. That's exactly the same story as the other link you posted

Someone did some copy and paste....

[Prodemsouth]

26. This is GREAT news, proves that they are hurt by this story. Everybody

who wants Bush gone needs to keep the pressure on this story.

[Dogmudgeon]

28. It's a phony offer

The document must be produced with "minimal effort". Which means that the judge -- the owner of defeatjohnjohn.com -- will do the deciding.

He's a hard-ass partisan, not that there's anything wrong with that, but no matter what anyone does to debunk the issue, he's going to say that his conditions weren't met.

These "challenges", whether from wingnuts or more ambitious partisans like CSICOP, are basically dirty jokes for tight-asses. With large numbers of loose rules and final say in the judging, the money is safe with the challenger, who then assumes the unearned mantle of victory.

Just say "No".

--bkl

[TexasDem4life]

32. Well, if you can get the produced document to match up like MSWORD does

That would be all the proof that is needed as long as you used the typewriter and nothing else. I'm still trying to keep my chin up, and I hope someone takes the tard's money.

[ET Awful]

37. And when you can get Word to have letters that don't line up

with the baseline of a line of text, while the rest do, let us know.

[LynnTheDem]

73. So sorry to disappoint you but

MSWORD DOES NOT match up.

GET OVER IT already. Sheeesh.

[private_ryan]

40. hah

if you produce it he should pay up. No one who hasn't used that typewritter in 30 years could do it with minimal effort. The publicity alone would be worth the effort though, even if he doesn't pay.

[Augspies]

66. CSICOP's challenge is legit..

And I think you really meant the JREF challenge. JREF allows the claimant to design the test, and stipulate the conditions of success. The only thing JREF insists on is the test is performed with a control and in controlled conditions.

Freepers and JREF are light years apart.

--Augspies

[Dogmudgeon]

88. Bogus challenges

Whether a Freeper is making it, or James Randi, any challenge that isn't refereed by an impartial, accountable (and preferably bonded) third party is bogus. If there are several, then at least one of the Skep challenges is bogus because it is entirely controlled by the organization with no oversight.

I completely agree, even if his challenge is bogus, JREF is light years ahead of the Freepers, but these challenges are becoming more common, and many of them refer back to the original ones by skeptic organizations. It's their way of establishing pseudo-authority, and most people look on money challenges as being somehow beyond corruption.

If they become common, there should be a peer-review-like mechanism in place to keep the challenges honest. At least in this case, Mr. DefeatJohnJohn is throwing down an invisible gantlet.

--bkl

[DoveTurnedHawk]

34. Could You BE Any More Obvious?

:eyes:

DTH

[TexasDem4life]

38. I'm not being obvious, I'm just depressed about all this and need proof...

to combat all the lying wingnuts I have live around.

From behind enemy lines,
John

[Robbien]

44. And I bet you hope the RW picks up that DU is posting it is depressed

But the real reason you must be depressed because no one is believing your right wing posts.

[TexasDem4life]

46. No, I don't. We need to fight back, plan, and face them head on N/T

[Robbien]

56. FreeRepublic doesn't listen to facts. They make up their own

and refuse to look at anything else. But since you believe Freeperville is a valid news source to post in LBN, koolaid must be the drink of choice in your household also.

[WINEWOMAN7]

91. I'm not being obvious

Yeah right, From behind enemy lines is your tip off. Go away we don't need your disruption.

[AmerDem]

103. WOW your "depressed"

That is something. I don't know of any other DEMOCRAT that is depressed over showing shrub for the drugged out, con man, boy of privilege that he is!


*cough* freeptard *cough*

[private_ryan]

36. that's fair, no?

if it was done in 1972, someone should be able to duplicate it and take $10k away from freepers.

[niceypoo]

42. They are desperate

I think its funny

[salin]

47. This is not "Latest Breaking News"

should be in general discussion or elsewhere.

[Snellius]

48. The problem they seem to miss is the quality of the printing not the font

Focus on the font has ignored the quality of the print. It is easy to duplicate anything in a sophisticated page-layout program like Quark or even even a word processor like Word. But let them try to emulate the print quality on a modern printer.

Though the font and spacing seem sophisticated for the period, the poor quality of the printing suggests a mechanical printer like a typewriter. It's difficult to know how many generations the copies went through, but the samples being published would be difficult to emulate on a modern ink-jet or laser printer. The quality of even the worst modern printer is far superior to the crude output of these memos.

[goclark]

55. They are smart.."Reward for the TRUTH"

about the documents.

We need to offer a Reward to anyone that can ask Bush to his face,loud and clear,"Did you LIE to the American public and say you served Honorabley? Did you fail to take a physical? Did you disobey your orders to return to duty?"

I would donate for that reward.

They really know how to frame the debate. We can not let them do it!

Bully them right back! Get the Medias attention.
It would be so cool if someone like Tim Robbins would donate $20,OOO to get that question asked of the President on national TV.

I went to see "Embedded" last week and it was awesome!!! You must see how the Media was used during the Iraqi War. Robbins would be the perfect person to offer a reward.

[leesa]

53. These guys would go to any lengths to betray their country

[alfredo]

60. Of course you can't because photocopying has

distorted the copies shown by CBS.

[salvorhardin]

62. What do you think of this?

Hey TexasDem4Life,

If you're so sure these documents were produced using MS Word, then what do you think of the side to side (well, above and below) comparison I did. The black-on-white characters are from CBS's PDF file. The black-on-white letters are Times New Roman and were done in MS Word.

Please tell me you don't see the differences. I call to your attention the following characters: g, s, v, and Y for starters. Also, you can see that the spacing (kerning) between characters is different in both versions. You can see that the machine that produced the document imaged in CBS's PDF specifically had trouble with the character groups 'er' and 're'.

Finally, as to the centering of the header and how it could be done so perfectly everytime... That's easy. Since this is something the secretary would have typed over and over, s/he would have calculated the positioning once and set tab stops for each line.

So, again, please tell that you see no differences here.

[TexasDem4life]

64. With regrets, here is what I think

The differences you referred to are being explained because CBS's doc's were faxed and copied several times. Please explain to me how they match up perfectly when superimposed on each other. Something no one here seems to want to address. This is whatI need the answer to.

[Onlooker]

68. Where's your link to support this?

Where are you getting your information?

[salvorhardin]

72. No, no they are not

You can't have it both ways...

You can't say they look different because of degradation due to copying and faxing and then say they match up perfectly if superimposed.

These are two different typefaces based on 70+ years old Times Roman typeface. The differences I am pointing out are not due degradation. If you look at the lowercase 's' alone you see that the bottom of the 's' in the CBS document is much curvier than the MS Word Times New Roman 's' which is flatter on the bottom.

Superimposing the characters is a poor test, especially when done at 100% magnification and using the human eye. There is simply too much visual noise and too much fine detail for the eye to distinguish between anything other than the most common features of the two typefaces.

[tandot]

98. so, the shape of the "i" changes through copying and faxing?

any idiot can see the difference in some of the numbers and letters in the sample salvorhardin gave you above. The little line on top of the "i" is straight in one sample and sloping down somewhat in the other sample. This does NOT happen by faxing or copying.

I guess Bush supporters are complete idiots and blind on top of it. Well, how else could you support that coward and incompetent ass?

[Judi Lynn]

69. Please be good enough to read the rules posted at the top of the page

If we didn't have organization here, and everyone made his own rules we'd have something like "Free Republic," wouldn't we?

Here are the rules you overlooked:

Thousands of people use the DU Latest Breaking News forum as their primary source for news. Please do not "dilute" the forum by starting threads that are not news.

Please be aware of the following restrictions when posting in Latest Breaking News:

1. NO opinion pieces, editorials, or other stories that are not news.

2. NO news that is more than 12 hours old.

3. NO duplicate posts of stories that have already been posted.

4. NO polls, petitions, or other action items.

5. All of our other rules for posting apply as well, including copyright rules.

6. When posting articles, please use the published title of the article as the title of the discussion thread.

7. Discussion of Israeli/Palestinian issues is not permitted in the Latest Breaking News forum, and instead must be posted in the Israeli/Palestinian Affairs forum. If, however, the news item is primarily about U.S. policy in Israeli/Palestinian affairs, you may post it in the Latest Breaking News forum.

If your message is not Latest Breaking News, you should post it in the General Discussion Forum or in one of the other forums.

.

[Robbien]

70. Either the mods are not around, or they think Free Republic is a news

source.

How low can we get when Freeperville stays on the front page of our Late Breaking News?

We need to take a shower to remove the stink.

[Tuttle]

74. Please lock and move, MODS!!!

This poster also has quoted an entire article in violation of copyright regulations -- is this poster trying to get the site shut down???

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x818970

HELP!!! MODS, where are you???
Tut-tut

[RedEarth]

78. Alert on this post....if you haven't already...I did 30 min ago..still

nothing happened....perhaps there aren't any Mods around.

[rawstory]

83. Agreed. Isn't LBN.

right?

[RedEarth]

75. I agree.....it's rather surprising this has been on LBN as long as it has.

since when does freeper news qualify for breaking news...

[AlCzervik]

77. This whole thread tinks of mock outrage

and it is advertising a anti-kerry site. this should be locked.

[RedEarth]

80. I agree...I can't say

freeper so I won't...but it sure seems like it...

[LynnTheDem]

76. No matter HOW MANY TIMES TxDem4Life Says otherwise

MS WORD DOES NOT MATCH the documents.

DOES NOT.

DOES NOT.

DOES NOT MATCH.

GET OVER IT!

Sheeeesh.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/9/10/34914/1603

[ruggerson]

79. Rightwing Scum

This is not breakings news and you're fooling no one

[salvorhardin]

81. I agree, time to move on

Time to resection, lock, tombstone and move on.

I'm embarassed I even felt I could argue with the guy.

[starroute]

84. I don't believe for a moment it was done on a Composer

We owned a Composer back in the 80's and did typesetting work on it. Not only was it expensive, but it produced book-quality results -- nothing like the jagged, irregular look of the memos.

The memos look far more like something produced on an IBM Executive. I have some fanzines from the late 60's that were done partly on an Executive, and they look very similar. Because the Executive didn't use genuine proportional spacing, but approximated it by having four different letter-widths, it tended to produce a rather ragged result, with some letters much closer together than others.

The font in the fanzines isn't identical to that used in the memos -- the numerals are "curlier" for one thing -- but it's quite close. And the fanzines use both a regular and a small size font, which could be swapped in and out of the machine, so it would have been possible to do a reduced superscript as the cost of taking a couple of extra minutes.

I posted on another thread suggesting that, at least to the eye, the line with the superscript on it seems to drop slightly after the -th-, as if someone had rolled the platen up and then back again but been off by about half a millimeter in the allignment. I'd like to see someone with more graphics expertise than I have try to verify that.

[salvorhardin]

87. You maybe right about the superscript adjustment

In these two graphics I slightly greyed out the text and placed green lines indicating the baseline of each line of text. The first graphic is a crop and enlargement around the '187th'. It looks like they did not or could not roll the carriage exactly back to its original position, nor probably would they have cared at the time they were typing this.

I would be willing to stake my life on claim that this document was originally typewritten and not produced in MS Word.

In any event, I've wasted far too much of my Saturday on this. Time to get some sun.

[LoZoccolo]

85. Where are they gonna get the money?

Probably would be pretty easy to find the equipment.

[Catherine Vincent]

89. The moran is tombstoned.

It took the mods long enough.

[deutsey]

90. What a shame

:eyes:

[OilemFirchen]

94. Okay. I tried it.

No, not the perverse attempt to dust off an old Selectric Composer or Executive and "prove" that they're real, but, rather, the simpler attempt to use Word to "prove" that they're fake. Gawd knows I've seen enough claims that it can be done, along with the debunked "examples", but I hadn't actually made the attempt myself - probably like most here.

My stab at it presumed that, as the wingnutz have been claiming, the "forger" typed 'em out in vanilla Word - the assumption being that if the "forger" was stupid enough to use a WP program, instead of a period typewriter, said individual wouldn't know to change any of Word's defaults.

It didn't take me long to quash the silly contention.

I tried the 9/18/73 "CYA". First, using the default tab stops, I couldn't get the date to align with anything remotely similar to the memo. I assume that the stupid "forger" could have spaced over, so that's perhaps irrelevant. But the very first line of text blew the test. Using the default margins, the line wrapped one word beyond the memo's EOL. Moreso, after typing the ";. ", Word assumed that I wanted an indented, bulleted paragraph and thus left-aligned all the following text to the first character of said paragraph.

To get the Word doc to match the formatting of the memo would require changing margins (and, perhaps, tab stops), turing off autoformatting, typing all of the ones as lower-case l's and gawd knows what else. 'Taint worth my time.

Try it for yourselves, if you must. It's a hugely bogus assertion.

[Jack Rabbit]

96. That's absolutely absurd

The point about a typewriter is that one is very unlikely to duplicate an original document. No two machines are alike and neither are any two typists. One couldn't reproduce the document on the exact same machine, even assuming it could be found. The person who typed the document probably couldn't, assuming he could be found or is still alive.

Whoever came up with that silly idea must be in his tweneties. He's obviously never used a typewriter. His money is safe, but he hasn't proved a damn thing.

[JI7]

102. FREEPFUCK WAS TOMBSTONED

HAHHAHAHAH it was just trying to spread anti kerry and pro bush links including on other forums. good riddance asshole. this thread should be locked.

[oasis]

104. He was a stealthy one. His posts had a familiar modus operandi that has

been showing up at DU lately.

[Moderator]

105. Locking

flamebait and RW talking points..