With Homeland Security an issue, how can they let AWB expire?

[spanone]

This just blatantly shows the arrogance of this absurd administration. A bill to keep ASSAULT WEAPONS off the streets will be allowed to expire because as Tom Delay said 'this is feel-good legislation'. Well Tom, Feel this you fucking idiot. :puke:

[MrBenchley]

1. This shows how phony the "Bush bounce" really is....

They're not even trying to reach out to moderates because they're worried about the far right loonies wandering off the reservation....

[boxster]

2. Ah, but realize that this administration would consider an armed public

a more secure public, thereby increasing homeland security. More Bush administration wacko logic.

Welcome to bizarro world!

[forgethell]

9. Too bad the teachers

at that school in Russia didn't have a few automatic weapons handy. Hey, even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

[EnfantTerrible]

3. This is Shrubya's idea of Homeland Security

Guns=Safety in the mind of the chimp.

[spanone]

4. But not just guns.....ASSAULT WEAPONS

anyone remember Columbine?

[EnfantTerrible]

5. "How do ya ikspect to muster a militia without Assault Weapons?"

"See... we make it so that they kin arm themselves with these here AW's... then all we hafta supply 'em with is the brown shirts... see I'm ficsaly... fisacly... demmit! I know how save some money!"

[FeebMaster]

18. I do.

What assault weapons were used at Columbine? You do realize that Columbine took place long after the AWB went into effect, right?

[auburngrad82]

6. Because of legalized bribery by the NRA

PAC Money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.asp?strID=C00053553&cycle=2004

Soft Money:

http://www.opensecrets.org/softmoney/softcomp2.asp?txtName=National+Rifle+Assn&txtUltOrg=y&txtCycle=2002&txtSort=name

Lobbyists:

http://www.opensecrets.org/lobbyists/client.asp?id=17074&year=2000

[MrBenchley]

8. Believe it or not, here's an even scummier bunch

The Gun Ownersof America is headed by a guy named Larry Pratt, a racist so virulent that even Pat Buchanan had to flee his company when it became public knowledge...

http://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.asp?strID=C00278101

"The NRA alone spent nearly $11 million lobbying elected and government officials from 1997 to 2003. But it wasn't the gun rights lobby's biggest spender. That was Gun Owners of America, which spent more than $18 million on lobbing over the same period."

http://www.opensecrets.org/news/guns/index.htm

"In 1996, Larry Pratt served as Buchanan's presidential campaign co-chairman. Pratt heads Gun Owners of America, but more importantly, is a key figure in American militia circles. Pratt attended the infamous October 1992 militia planning session in Colorado hosted by the notorious racist Christian Identity pastor Pete Peters. Pratt has shared the stage at rallies with Aryan Nation Chief Richard Butler and former KKK leader and guerrilla warfare specialist Louis Beam. Pratt resigned after the media exposed his ties to the neo-Nazi and white supremacist fringe."

http://www.freepress.org/Backup/UnixBackup/pubhtml/editor/buchanan.html

[skippythwndrdog]

7. Get a grip and a clue

This issue and the need to urinate periodically are probably the only things I'll ever agree on with the right.

A semi-auto rifle is just that - a semi-auto rifle. The AWB never addressed a single assault weapon. It addressed cosmetics only.

Assault weapons restrictions were not addressed by the AWB. Those were handled by the NFA of 1934 and Ronnie rayguns FOPA of 1986.

[spanone]

12. Got a grip and a clue

Q: What are the provisions of the ban?

A: On September 13, 1994, domestic gun manufacturers were required to stop production of semi-automatic assault weapons and ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds except for military or police use. Imports of assault weapons not already banned by administrative action under Presidents Reagan and George H.W. Bush were also halted. Assault weapons and ammunition clips holding more than 10 rounds produced prior to September 13, 1994, were "grandfathered" in under the law and can still be possessed and sold.

The bill bans, by name, the manufacture of 19 different weapons:

Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikovs (all models);
Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
Colt AR-15;
Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
SWD M-10; M-11; M-11/9, and M-12;
Steyr AUG;
INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9, AND TEC-22;
revolving cylinder shotguns such as (or similar to) the Street Sweeper and Striker 12.
The bill also bans "copies" or "duplicates" of any of those weapons. The failure to include a ban of these "copies" or "duplicates" would have opened the door for widespread evasion of the ban. Even so, some unscrupulous gun manufacturers have tried to evade the law by making minor changes to their assault weapons in order to skirt the restrictions.

The 1994 law also prohibits manufacturers from producing firearms with more than one of the following assault weapon features:

Rifles

Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Threaded muzzle or flash suppressor
Grenade launcher
Pistols

Magazine outside grip
Threaded muzzle
Barrel shroud
Unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more
Semi-automatic version of a fully automatic weapon
Shotguns

Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Detachable magazine capacity
Fixed magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds

[skippythwndrdog]

13. Which of these makes a rifle more deadly? None.

The 1994 law also prohibits manufacturers from producing firearms with more than one of the following assault weapon features:

Rifles

Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Bayonet mount
Threaded muzzle or flash suppressor
Grenade launcher
Pistols

Magazine outside grip
Threaded muzzle
Barrel shroud
Unloaded weight of 50 ounces or more
Semi-automatic version of a fully automatic weapon
Shotguns

Folding/telescoping stock
Protruding pistol grip
Detachable magazine capacity
Fixed magazine capacity greater than 5 rounds

C'mon. Tell me which it is.

[spanone]

17. uh, grenade launcher?

[slackmaster]

20. What use is a grenade launcher when grenades are regulated?

They're legally classified as "destructive devices". Background check and $200 transfer tax required, just like machineguns.

[Texas_Dem]

10. There you go..

Bush just made it easier for terrorists to get assault weapons in this country.

[MrBenchley]

11. Exactly so....

Not to mention plain old everyday loonies and criminals...

[skippythwndrdog]

14. How so?

The '94 AWB affected not one assault weapon. None, zip, zilch, nada.

Name one AW it affected. I'm waiting.

[Booster]

15. Because when the civil war begins, they want to

be better armed than we are. I read that assault weapon sales are very brisk in Texas - must be getting close to deer season.

[Booster]

16. Because when the civil war begins, they want to

be better armed than we are. I read that assault weapon sales are very brisk in Texas - must be getting close to deer season.

[slackmaster]

19. The AWB didn't keep any weapons off the street

Are you familiar with the concept of "post-ban" firearms?

If not, Google it.