craigslist killer was a Republican, and a bigot

[jefferson_dem]

craigslist killer was a Republican, and a bigot
by John Aravosis (DC) on 4/22/2009 07:51:00 PM

NY Daily News:
At college, he was a member of the College Republicans and was fairly unremarkable except for the occasional offensive comment, said ex-classmate Joe Coe.

"He was someone that had issues with people of color, had issues with women," Coe told CBS.

"He gave off a creepy vibe," said another SUNY classmate.

The religious right lost a future member. And remember, kids, hate does not lead to violence. So stop persecuting conservative bigots. They're just like you and me. Except some of them end up killing people.

http://www.americablog.com/2009/04/craigslist-killer-was-republican-and.html

[Liberal_in_LA]

1. News said he collected the panties of his victims, stash found in his apartment

I think they are looking into other unsolved cases, maybe he's a serial killer

[vaberella]

26. Flashbacks to American Psycho!!! n/t

[dorkulon]

45. Just what I was thinking. /nt

[Uzybone]

2. But his fiancee says he is a great guy

who would never hurt a fly!

[ecstatic]

9. I feel sorry for her. How could she be so blinded?

College aged republican? That's a major red flag.

[shaggieshapiro]

19. ha! @nice guy

Tamron Hall was hammering a Sociologist about the fact that his girlfriend said he was so nice, "wouldn't hurt a fly". That is the dumbest thing any non functioning moron can ever say.
Men who beat their wives act real nice....before they break out a can of whoopass
The BTK killer...he was a church guy and a dog catcher...he was awesome during the day...killing chics at night
Ted Bundy volunteered for a suicide hotline, the killed over 100 women....

And now this dude is a killer and a bigot. I bet he voted for McCain, watches Fox News and listens to Rushhhhh Limbaugh

I hope the fucker burns in hell

[Thrill]

3. "had issues with people of color, had issues with women"

This is usually the profile of a Republican

[TayTay]

4. Her name was Julissa Brisman.

She had friends, a family that worried about her and a plan to get her life in order. Her father sat in the Boston courtroom yesterday and watched as his daughter's accused killer plead not guilty to the crime.

I don't think the family cares if the murderer was a Democrat or a Republican, liberal, moderate or conservative. I think they endure enough with their dead daughter or friend being called a prostitute with every sentence that mentions her.

Do you also have to find a way to divert attention with fake things? This man probably did not commit murder because he was a Republican or because he made bigoted remarks. He took the life of someone because he was deranged and without conscience.

Doesn't anything escape heartless and cold political analysis? Tell me, if you met Ms. Brisman's Dad would you say to him, "Sorry about your whorish daughter's death, but I can make some political hay from it."

Have you no morals at all, no pangs of conscience or is everything just grist for the mill?

[bbinacan]

6. Well said. n/t

[JohnnyLib2]

8. Well said.

:thumbsup:

[liberalmuse]

10. That's a little harsh. The family likely doesn't read DU.

And it is worth discussing, since apparently this guy was an 'upstanding College Republican' who ended up being a serial killer. Why is it immoral to bring that fact up? While he probably did not commit murder because he is a Republican, he was probably attracted to the party because of their bigotry and oppression of women. In other words, The Republican Party and this serial killer shared some very important ideals and it isn't hurting anyone whatsover to discuss this here on DU.

[LisaM]

16. I agree with you., liberalmuse. There IS a connection.

Of course all Republicans are not serial killers. But plenty of them are misogynistic, and that's a shared view with the killer. I think it is a time to raise the issue of his values. It reminds me of the people who think that when someone dies in a car accident and wasn't wearing a seatbelt, it's not the time to bring up seatbelt laws. In fact, it's the exact time.

The extreme right wing of the Republican party has veered off to being a group that represents institutionalized hate.

[zbdent]

48. all ReRushlicans are not serial killers ...

but then, ReRushlicans seem to believe that all Muslims are terrorists ... wasn't there one who said "Nuke Mecca"?

[Cha]

22. It is better to discuss it than

ignore it.

[tomreedtoon]

11. It may be the only good thing to come out of it, Tay Tay.

What else could come out of it? That men should not be psychotic killers? That's not going to stop anyone. People are naturally cruel. Nothing will stop that. This rich Republican was just someone who had a better-than-average chance of getting away with it. An ordinary slob psychotic killer wouldn't be alive now; he'd be dead from a throw-down gun wielded by a cop.

And yes, the woman was a prostitute. It's sad that she had to do that, but theoretically she knew that her profession would lead to AIDS, death and mutilation, if she had more than three brain cells.

By comparison, making this a killing tied to Republicans is a high-road discussion.

[Hawaii Hiker]

34. "People are naturally cruel." - Yeah, your second paragraph sure is &

it's also blatantly false...

I know several adult film stars & escorts..None of them have AIDS, none of them have been mutilated, & I'm quite convinced they have more than 3 brain cells...

You're quite the snob & full of crap to....

[tomreedtoon]

38. And you said that with a straight face. Good for you!

"I know several adult film stars & escorts..None of them have AIDS, none of them have been mutilated, & I'm quite convinced they have more than 3 brain cells..."

Someone who allows themselves to be treated like a hunk of meat? A thing to be used? I'm sorry, I can't afford to buy that pretentious and expensive sarcasm icon, but if I could, I would have loaned it to you.

You obviously don't know much about the human race, or you've met very little of it. Give my regards to the other people on the Galactica when you see them.

[Hawaii Hiker]

47. You made wild & untrue generalizations

You're the one who made the bizare comment & wild generalization, to paraphrase, "every escort meets with AIDS, death, & mutilation"...

I think you've been watching too much of the 700 Club or some skewed right wing program on prostitution...

You have every right to pass judgement atop your perch & be a snob, but:

Your. statements. were. false.

[nichomachus]

55. Interesting thought

Sex workers are bad people for using their bodies to make money -- but there's nothing wrong with selling your brain and your soul to a corporation for $100K a year.

I too know people who are adult film actors and even sex workers. Very nice people generally. Some are trying to make enough money to go to college. They're not stupid people.

I also know people who have sold themselves to corporations. They make a lot of money -- and they demean themselves on a daily basis.

[tomreedtoon]

65. The concept of "higher cause" comes in here.

I work in a good job, under a demeaning and violently angry boss. I love my work, hate the abuse. But I have a higher cause that keeps me going. Unlike a lot of people I work with, I believe in the power of television to inform, enlighten and occasionally entertain. It doesn't happen as often as it used to, but it still happens. And every once in a while, when I run weather warnings or continual coverage of hurricanes, or when I run a show that's actually a pleasure to watch, all the pain I suffer is validated.

The porn actors demean themselves in a far more personal matter. They become nothing but sex, objectified and dehumanized. And it was only in the 1960's, in the infancy of the business, that anyone could claim what they were doing was "educational" and "assisting people in greater comfort and understanding of sex" and all the other bushwa they used. That ship sailed a long time ago. Those actors are clearly used, abused and discarded, especially by the real people making the money in porn, organized crime. (No, surprise surprise, the profits aren't going to the Catholic Church's missionary program.)

[olegramps]

46. People are naturally cruel?

People are a complex of emotions. They can be said to be naturally a lot of things, loving, passionate, sexual, hating, envious, tender, .........

[tkmorris]

13. This seems a bit over the top

The OP didn't mention the young lady at all for starters, and of course made none of the comments you raise objection to. As to the "divert attention with fake things" accusation, you noted yourself that the accused "is (likely) deranged and without conscience". Do you not see a connection between being without conscience and overt bigotry? You could have made a better argument, albeit without the hyperbole, against the connection to being Republican. The country is full of Republicans who certainly would never do anything like this, though I will say that their platform often requires holding beliefs for which a healthy conscience would be a detriment.

[jefferson_dem]

14. I'm sorry you are offended.

and feel the need to make some pretty hateful accusations of your own, about my mindset and motivation.

In my view, this monster's membership in the college republicans and his harsh public bigotry helps paint a clearer personality portrait. That's all. Of course, we all grieve for the victims and pray for their friends and families.

[beachmom]

58. No it doesn't!! I mean, do you really believe such partisan clap trap?

The only thing a Republican is for sure is someone who votes a different way than you. Are you trying to dehumanize over a third of this nation's population? If so, maybe you need to take a break. Talk to your neighbors. Some of them who actually may be Republicans!

[roguevalley]

60. its all so sad and my sympathies are with the innocents, the victims,

their families and his fiance, who obviously is stunned. Killers live next door to people, have contact with people and people always express shock about their actions. He was a killer who gravitated to places where he felt safe and included. Conservatives have a lot of negativity and where else would he feel comfortable than with negativity. God rest all the sad folks in this story.

[Uzybone]

15. only one person in this thread referred to the victim a whore

and a prostitute. The OP has nothing to be ashamed of.

[jefferson_dem]

17. Thank you.

n/t

[phleshdef]

18. You are right. We have enough valid stuff to politicize, we don't need to reach in the gutter.

[Ian David]

75. It's already political.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x5531190

[SoxFan]

21. Thank you

[amborin]

30. good post

i also doubt his real intent was robbery, as some articles now suggest

he had a big gambling problem and was often in debt

but gambling goes hand in hand with psychopathy

this case reminds me of an episode of x files from yrs ago...the one where dana scully was caught by a sociopathic serial killer of women

[Number23]

32. Bravo

Doesn't anything escape heartless and cold political analysis?

Beautifully said.

[madmom]

41. Actually no, everything is political. Think about it.

[Reterr]

35. You don't actually care about her either

You are grandstanding to come off as morally superior or classy or something. Self-righteous is what it comes off as though and incomprehensible.
Maybe the OP wasn't in the best taste or to everyone's taste, but calling someone entirely morally bankrupt on the basis of what is at the end of the day a fairly innocuous post on a message board on the internet, is completely over the top and unjustified. This is the kind of moral purity that is frightening.

This is some seriously unhinged hyperbole:
Have you no morals at all, no pangs of conscience or is everything just grist for the mill?

What a nasty personal attack. I was thinking this OP wasn't in the best taste when I encountered your post and realized how much nastier it is. If this is what you think of someone for a random post on the internet, how unforgiving are you towards people who actually cause any amount of actual damage to someone?

[Hello_Kitty]

37. Well it was an epic fail on the classy part

There was no need to call the victim "whorish" yet that's what the poster did.

[habitual]

43. agreed! n/t

[5thGenDemocrat]

44. And John Wayne Gacy was a Democrat -- what is the OP's point?

I'm with you, TayTay. The guy is a(n alleged) murderer because he is a scumbag. Nothing more, nothing less.
John
My sincerest sympathy to the Brismans.

[tomreedtoon]

5. He's a doctor. You have to trust him.

"Relax, man, I'm pre-law."
"I thought you were pre-med."
"What's the difference?"

Since he was in medical school, weren't his parents rich Republican traitors to the human race as well?

[Ian David]

7. Killer Republican Bigot is triply redundant. n/t

[ContinentalOp]

71. Yeah, I was going to post the same thing. What a redundant article.

After you say that he's a Republican you really don't need to repeat that he's "a bigot", "fairly unremarkable", "had issues with people of color, had issues with women," or "gave off a creepy vibe."

[SKKY]

12. No, really? I didn't see that coming...

:sarcasm:

[AZ Criminal JD]

20. In my experience it is a mistake to claim one party or the other has a lock on crime

John Wayne Gacy, who killed about 30 boys and was a Democratic precinct captain in Chicago comes to mind.

[Thrill]

23. But did he have issues with people of color and women?

I think thats what the poster was saying. This is the profile of a Republican

[AZ Criminal JD]

53. Yeah, I would say he had issues with women.

[blonndee]

24. Who claimed that? I missed it, I guess.

[AZ Criminal JD]

54. Ahh, apparently you haven't read the reply posts to the OP did you?

[blonndee]

63. Ahh, yeah, I did.

Nobody said repukes have a "lock" on such crimes.

[AZ Criminal JD]

72. You are playing a semantic word game

Or maybe you are just dishonest. You know best. Posts 9-3-16-7-71 and 25 said that. I didn't bother looking at other below those.

[jesus_of_suburbia]

25. Republican and bigot ALWAYS go hand in hand. Not just usually, but ALWAYS.

And I love some Republicans in my personal life (my family)... but they are bigots.

If it's not one prejudice, it's another (and usually MANY).

[Quantess]

42. Sorry to disagree with you there, but, haven't you heard there are exceptions to every rule?

This is not my style, to disagree with someone who says that bigots are always Republican, and all Republicans are bigoted. I say mostly yes, but I personally know of some exceptions. Maybe they are misrepresented politically, but for the time being, they call themselves republicans and yet are socially moderate.

[depakid]

27. Sociopaths gravitate to Republicans- because like seeks like

Hell, all the leaders of the Republican party over the past 12 years either are psychopaths, sociopaths- or have personality disorders or tendencies that share the diagnostic criteria.

Sociopathic tendencies are something I learned a long time ago about Republicans- which is why I make sure to keep them far away from my persona-l and so much as possible- professional life.

[ShortnFiery]

29. I think you have to add Conservative to the mix. Some of the old time moderate republicans

were not near as scary. Presently there are a few CONSERVATIVE (authoritarian loving - hawkish) Democrats that I wouldn't get too close to either. :shrug:

[depakid]

31. I have to agree with that. The R and the D are simply monikers that make it easier to recognize

and I'm serious- it's bad news to have people like that in your life. It just invites a stab in the back. That's the nature of the mindset.

Seen it happen over and over and over to people I know and people I hear about.

[ShortnFiery]

28. If you study the profile of most "serial killers" they are young, misogynistic, white and male.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ktd9ZR0m0Xk

[Catherine Vincent]

33. He definitely has the look of a conservative prick. nt

[burning rain]

36. I was thinking he had to have issues with misogyny, and.....

repressive / shame-based attitudes toward sex combined with hot desire for it. Damn shame for his victim and her family. He seems really to fit the nasty, creepy profile of those men who've preyed on female sex workers through time.

[Jennicut]

39. He was found here in CT. He frequented the casinos here quite a bit.

Creepy.

[Beacool]

40. What does his party affiliation have to do with anything????

Please, check the jails in this country and tell me which party the majority of the inmates favor. The guy is a sick bastard and a killer, regardless of his politics.

x(

[emilyg]

66. Thank you.

[JayMusgrove]

49. Does anyone know a second year medical student that has

time to go gamble in casino's 40 miles away from med school?

Time to have a fiance and ALSO time to meet up with massage women on the side?

This guy must be a very very strange guy to have so much free time in med school.

[ShortnFiery]

51. Didn't Bill Frist, as a Med Student, cruise his local Animal Shelters for Kitty Kats?

:wow: :scared:

Kat Killer?!?

[JayMusgrove]

52. I have no idea... but, to my way of thinking, most med school

students spend 12-15 hours a day studying...then all the rest of the stuff, eating sleeping showering, etc, done in the remaining 9-12 hours... that's usually the way 6 or 7 days a week.

This kid goes to a casino in CT from Boston, (distance over 40 miles), with his fiance...on a "school night"?

[GoCubsGo]

56. Yes.

He adopted them, and then vivisected them. Nice guy, eh?

[Reterr]

61. Or he was about to flunk out of med school

I agree with you...if you are serious about med school, that seems like a lot to be able to pack into your sched.

[leftofthedial]

50. most of the vile people in this country are repukes

[emilyg]

67. Not the ones i know.

[beachmom]

57. And maybe the next crime will be committed by a Democrat. I mean, who cares

if he was in the College Republicans. Some stuff has no agenda whatsoever. It is just a crime.

[Joanne98]

59. All serial killers are Republicans.

[nomaco-10]

62. It may sound trite and partisan, BUT IT IS.......

the absolute truth.

THEY ARE A BUNCH OF FUCKING HEAD CASES.

It's not just partisan bullshit, history bares it out. period.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

64. Ted Bundy was a Republican too

[Trajan]

68. First: The source is an opinion piece - not hard news .....

And while I am not thrilled with the fallacious appeals to his membership of that party, it is at least fair to note the distinction ....

What ? .... Nobody can even mention it ? ..... What kind of freedom lies there ? ....

IF this disgusting human being likely murdered this poor girl (Frankly; those who would condemn her choice of employment in the way posted here do more to dehumanize her than is necessary) ...

IF this disgusting human being likely murdered this poor girl, AND he is a rabid conservative asshole, then it is fair to at least mention it ...

Only two posters refer to the victim in a derogatory way .... You know who you are ....

Thanks for this thread, J-Dem ... While I chalk up the content to simple opinion by a person with simple ideas (who also happens to have a blog ? ... what a shock !), you didnt deserve the vitriol heaped upon ya ....

[Ian David]

69. The Young Republican Killer

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x8364484

See also:

http://tinyurl.com/TheCraigsListKiller

http://tinyurl.com/YoungRepublican

http://tinyurl.com/YoungRepublicanKiller

[mwb970]

70. Wow, he's a republican. I'm *so* surprised!

I knew it as soon as I saw him. It's the "look".

[opihimoimoi]

73. He sure picked a series way to get out of the WEDDING.....?

[workinclasszero]

74. Wasn't that whack-job girl who falsely claimed an Obama volunteer

beat her up and carved an O on her face a collage republican also??

And now a collage rethuglican serial killer?

Hmm...

I sense a pattern of insanity here.

The children of Rush are getting increasingly dangerous and violent it seems.