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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:01 AM Original message |
Frank Rich: La Cage aux Democrats |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 07:26 AM Response to Original message |
1. Real change is hard. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:30 AM Response to Original message |
2. Good column. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yes, it is good, and I so hope the prez reads it. nt |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:52 AM Response to Original message |
4. The President has been in office for 4 months |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. In other words, as Frank Rich quotes, "wait" |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:24 AM Response to Reply #4 |
8. As the saying goes "Rome wasn't built in a day" |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:58 AM Response to Reply #4 |
10. He could end the military policy |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:50 AM Response to Reply #10 |
12. No he can't |
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Baby Snooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 01:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yes he can.... |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 02:16 PM Response to Reply #15 |
17. You are misinformed |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:41 PM Response to Reply #17 |
26. No, the poster is right: he could stop DADT with a signature |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:55 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. Only his signature on a bill that had been passed by Congress |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:24 AM Response to Reply #28 |
46. No, he could stop it now -- this is a FAC T |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #46 |
54. No he can't |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 12:27 PM Response to Reply #4 |
13. This is the 21st century, and Western Europe is way ahead of us on LGBT rights |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 01:49 PM Response to Reply #13 |
14. That's not the point. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 02:41 PM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Not wand. A pen. nt |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 03:54 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. Only after an act of Congress nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Hiding. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:56 PM Response to Reply #27 |
29. Deleted message |
Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. Just an excuse. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:35 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. He's not a dictator |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
37. You are uninformed. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. No I'm not |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 07:30 AM Response to Reply #39 |
44. A babe in the woods. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #44 |
51. Oh Please!!! |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #51 |
63. Indignant all right. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:42 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. Oh and calling me a homophob and a coward |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 06:43 AM Response to Reply #66 |
70. Whiner. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 08:35 AM Response to Reply #70 |
72. Yeah but you definitely lose the moral high ground. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:47 AM Response to Reply #72 |
77. So you've fallen back on "oh yeah" as an argument? |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:55 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Oh Yeah is a good arguement |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Now you're just talking to the mirror. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:17 AM Response to Reply #84 |
85. Give the gang my love. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. You wouldn't want their love. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:17 PM Response to Reply #91 |
94. "All you need is love" nt |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:14 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. He can suspend the firings with one signature. You are woefully underinformed. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
36. Deleted message |
Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
41. Here. Read and pipe down. You're embarrassing yourself. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 12:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. ******* crickets ******* |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 06:19 AM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Here you read this: |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 07:35 AM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Yep, |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:43 AM Response to Reply #45 |
56. No I am citing facts |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:29 PM Response to Reply #56 |
62. Deliberately obtuse. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 10:46 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Check out his profile--it tells the story. n/t |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:52 PM Response to Reply #64 |
68. And what story would that be? nt |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:49 PM Response to Reply #62 |
67. Maybe obtuse but not blinded by ideology. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 06:16 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Are you just being silly? |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 08:38 AM Response to Reply #69 |
73. No it is just accepting reality and the facts... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:43 AM Response to Reply #73 |
76. I was talking about you making up facts |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #76 |
79. Now that's the pot... |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:08 AM Response to Reply #79 |
83. Whoa. Don't blind us with your deep insight. nt |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Yeah it's better to be blinded by ideology NT |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 04:45 PM Response to Reply #86 |
92. As opposed to |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:23 PM Response to Reply #92 |
97. Don't watch Idol |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:04 PM Response to Reply #97 |
101. How would you know if you don't watch it? |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:37 PM Response to Reply #101 |
102. Because I don't live in a bubble. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Missed the message again. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 02:59 AM Response to Reply #105 |
107. So did you. |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 12:00 PM Response to Reply #107 |
108. Everybody here is tired |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 04:48 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. Try going over here |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #93 |
95. That is very sad |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Sure you do. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:43 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. No I don't |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:00 PM Response to Reply #99 |
100. Yes. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #100 |
103. Who said it was other peoples problems? nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:27 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. You know. The ones you don't care about |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed May-27-09 02:55 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Yes only you care about others, |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 07:41 AM Response to Reply #67 |
71. Blind, worshipful, boot-licking sycophancy is an ideology. n/t |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Yeah I know he's pretty sad. NT |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:41 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. How very clever. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #75 |
78. No just have the facts on my side |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:05 AM Response to Reply #78 |
81. Self Delete |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:18 AM Response to Reply #81 |
87. Wisest post you've made yet!!! nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:07 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. Uh. No you don't. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 11:19 AM Response to Reply #82 |
88. Yes I do. And it is driving you crazy. LOL nt |
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Jakes Progress (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 04:43 PM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I ain't goin to crazy cuz |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 05:21 PM Response to Reply #89 |
96. Weak comeback nt |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:30 AM Response to Reply #43 |
48. No, he can SUSPEND IT NOW |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:36 AM Response to Reply #48 |
52. No he can't |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:25 AM Response to Reply #36 |
47. It is against DU rules to call someone a liar |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:37 AM Response to Reply #47 |
53. And willfully ignorant is allowed? nt |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:15 AM Response to Reply #53 |
57. People closely involved with this issue say you're dead wrong |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:30 AM Response to Reply #57 |
58. That is one group's legal opinion |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:56 AM Response to Reply #58 |
59. But you, of course, alone of all of humanity, see pure, objective truth, untainted by ideology. |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 09:57 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. Not of all humanity |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 03:03 PM Response to Reply #4 |
19. JFK had people - Eleanor Roosevelt, Ralph Bunch, TMarhsall and MLK leaning on him. nt |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 04:20 PM Response to Reply #19 |
22. And it still took him 2 & half years to support |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:19 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. We have to lean on the president. nt |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 06:58 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Lean on, lobby, compel; yes |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:31 AM Response to Reply #30 |
49. No one is "demonizing, distorting, or trashing" -- ridiculous strawmen |
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JamesA1102 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:39 AM Response to Reply #49 |
55. Could have fooled me. |
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ruggerson (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:58 AM Response to Original message |
5. I knew Frank Rich was a traitor |
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lunatica (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:03 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. Traitor to what? |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 02:12 PM Response to Reply #5 |
16. He is an enemy of the people. n/t |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:47 AM Response to Original message |
9. Error: You've already recommended that thread. |
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babylonsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:50 PM Response to Reply #9 |
40. Thank you, too. |
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cwydro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 10:21 AM Response to Original message |
11. K and R. |
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snowdays (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 03:16 PM Response to Original message |
20. "Fierce advocates" do not push DADT down the road. |
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Hieronymus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:26 PM Response to Original message |
24. Oh my, Frank Rich will be added to the list, along with Rachel Maddow, |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 05:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Yes, it will soon be Frank Rich's turn under the Hopemobile. |
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bvar22 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 08:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
31. Not the RICH Wall Street Bankers and members of the Corporate MIC. |
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QC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 09:21 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. I stand corrected. n/t |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun May-24-09 11:48 PM Response to Original message |
38. Mr. Frank you are so impatient my dear! |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 08:32 AM Response to Reply #38 |
50. I'm REALLY sick of the "impatient" meme |
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Bluebear (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #50 |
61. My friend got a new job in January. Everyone wants him to go, like, all out already |
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Chovexani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon May-25-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #61 |
65. If I waited 5 months to get my students' financial aid started |
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Rosa Luxemburg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue May-26-09 04:44 PM Response to Reply #50 |
90. sometimes you just have to sit it out until it happens |
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