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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:23 PM Original message |
COOLJUSTICE: DID OBAMA Pick a Douchebag for the court in Sotomayor? Free Speech loses? |
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Happyhippychick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. "their anning her t-shirts for free speech" |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Here's the story, and it does sound a bit alarming. |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. I tried to get a better nutshell of the case - thanks -legal BS |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:41 PM Response to Reply #1 |
7. sorry - they banned her tshirts at the school election rally |
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TheBigotBasher (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:48 PM Response to Reply #7 |
72. Easy if using windows |
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followthemoney (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:23 PM Response to Reply #1 |
39. It seems she has a key that sticks... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:26 PM Response to Original message |
2. The blog needs a background/text color rethink. n/t |
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Jennicut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:34 PM Response to Original message |
3. Meh, would the student have won if she called the administrators douchebags to their faces? |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:05 PM Response to Reply #3 |
12. Meh - she was blogging at home |
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Raine1967 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
4. This blog gives bloggers a bad name. |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:47 PM Response to Reply #4 |
10. I am just learning this system here but he is a great blogger |
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rurallib (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:35 PM Response to Original message |
5. Well I am confused and tired. Mostly confused. |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 09:44 PM Response to Reply #5 |
9. I added some more info for clarity |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:04 PM Response to Original message |
11. Bummer |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:09 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. Not to be too stereotypical |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
15. Welcome to DU!! |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:35 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Thanks |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Jun-10-09 10:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
14. One of the tenets |
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NYCGirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 06:57 AM Response to Reply #14 |
17. I have noted your concern and will give it all the consideration it deserves. NT |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:07 PM Response to Reply #14 |
80. "I undestand her record is very quiet on abortion" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
97. Ok so you agree we do not know her position |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:42 AM Response to Reply #11 |
25. Whose speech was limited? |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:18 PM Response to Reply #25 |
53. Her speech was PUNISHED which CHILLS her free speeh |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:29 PM Response to Reply #53 |
56. "ITs Discretionary with the school admins to let a student who qualifies to run for class office?" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:43 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. I disagree - if she MET all the standards then denying this right |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:39 PM Response to Reply #60 |
69. But she wasn't denied the right to speak |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:35 PM Response to Reply #69 |
84. no but she WAS punished for it |
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Peacetrain (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:04 AM Response to Original message |
18. Douchebag?? do you kiss your mother with that mouth? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:51 AM Response to Reply #18 |
32. Who types with their mouth? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:16 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Steven Hawking n/t |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
52. Well, Sotomayor said "douchebag" is not protected speech and... |
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cali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:07 AM Response to Original message |
19. Why ruin a good OP with a flamebait title? |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:28 PM Response to Reply #19 |
55. Is provocative the same as flamebait? It is a story ABOUT the word Douchebag! |
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joshcryer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
82. You of all people should know that without such titles threads get ignored. |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:45 PM Response to Reply #82 |
86. good point |
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Kaleva (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 07:15 AM Response to Original message |
20. The girl deserved what she got. |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:27 AM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Even if she deserved what she got, shouldn't she have gotten it from her parents and not the school? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
26. What Did The School Do To Her? |
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DireStrike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:59 AM Response to Reply #20 |
27. That's ridiculous. |
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followthemoney (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
41. Yes, and one should always remember that anything you... |
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solstice (278 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 08:36 AM Response to Original message |
21. The more I read about Sotomayor the worse I think she sounds. |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
22. Appeals courts dont really decide cases |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:32 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. Shhh.... don't ruin the fun |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:36 AM Response to Reply #24 |
30. And from the conclusion |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:51 PM Response to Reply #30 |
61. If a violation of the first amendment is not violation of a specific constitutional guarantee |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:30 PM Response to Reply #61 |
91. simply put, The right to free speech is not unlimited |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
36. Not sure I see the difference |
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mkultra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:21 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. the attorneys of the original case are responsible |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:17 PM Response to Reply #38 |
64. I disagree - Sotomayor is responsible |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:41 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. "it is BS and even their precedents don't justify this decision" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:28 PM Response to Reply #70 |
83. The most telling error is the final paragraph |
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KingFlorez (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:09 AM Response to Original message |
28. That case should have never been in court |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
29. The internet comes into the school so she deserved to be banned |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:50 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Saying it is one thing.... |
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Fire1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:18 PM Response to Reply #29 |
35. I have to agree. Just think of the lives already ruined BEFORE |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
59. It is a very different case |
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dsc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:56 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. I have to disagree |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:53 PM Response to Reply #62 |
75. Actually - that's fine |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
33. Yes, this one descision shows that she hates the all important 1st Amendment |
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Captain Hilts (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:21 PM Response to Original message |
37. delete. nt |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:43 PM Response to Original message |
40. Sotomayor is wrong in this decision |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 12:57 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Seems to me that she wasn't. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:00 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. "you are ignoring the author of this thread" |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:03 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Appeals courts don't decide cases. |
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Zodiak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:13 PM Response to Reply #44 |
45. Ah....then if that were the case |
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redqueen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:16 PM Response to Reply #45 |
46. Can't argue with that. (nt) |
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followthemoney (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
47. Limbaugh says she is a racist and that is good enough for me. |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
48. Somehow, we think that free speach is without consequences... |
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Towlie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 01:59 PM Response to Reply #48 |
49. So you're saying in essense, "You have free speech, but the government can punish you for using it." |
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SKKY (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:02 PM Response to Reply #49 |
50. I'm not saying the government can take that away from you... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 02:21 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. If there is a fire then you'd have saved the lives of the people in the theater. |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:32 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Sotomayor doesn't think the school was right either |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:14 PM Response to Reply #58 |
63. where does she say THAT? |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:20 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Right here |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:38 PM Response to Reply #65 |
68. I read it |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:49 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. "they just said they didn't even have to decide or opine whether it was wise" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:04 PM Response to Reply #73 |
78. Ruling that the school was "within its authority" IS saying it was right |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:06 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. "they did not believe her rights were violated" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:40 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. because she didn't establish a constitutional violation, they reasoned |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:03 AM Response to Reply #85 |
87. "because she didn't establish a constitutional violation" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 12:06 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. I think it is a VERY clear violation of the First Amendment |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:31 PM Response to Reply #49 |
57. Denial of a privilege is not a punishment |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
66. I disagree in your reasoning and I read the decision |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. "Their reasoning was bullshit." |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:51 PM Response to Reply #67 |
74. BS is shorthand for "it is unreasonable and doesn't pass the laugh test' |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:00 PM Response to Reply #74 |
77. "student gpvernment not a normal school activity?" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 11:22 PM Response to Reply #77 |
81. There are distinctions - but defending the indefensible/free speech under the bus |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 10:07 AM Response to Reply #81 |
88. " do you think the bastard was FAIR and was it right?" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:49 AM Response to Reply #88 |
89. I apologize - I meant that Sotomayor has thrown free speech under the bus |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 02:35 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. So, what do you make of her dissent in Pappas v. Giuliani? |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 03:16 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. send me a link |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:11 PM Response to Reply #93 |
94. Google is your friend |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:09 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I think it is inconsistent with this case but encouraging |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:30 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. "I haven't read any of her decisions except ths one" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 11:44 AM Response to Reply #99 |
103. Huh? She had to DECIDE to uphold the lower court decision |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 07:48 PM Response to Reply #57 |
95. This reeks of "we hold your future in your hand" |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:21 PM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Exactly - Thanks for pointing that out |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:33 PM Response to Reply #98 |
101. Nonsense |
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jberryhill (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:31 PM Response to Reply #95 |
100. Hmmm..... |
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Raineyb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Jun-12-09 11:59 PM Response to Reply #100 |
102. Well the school wouldn't have known that the student would sue |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 09:25 PM Response to Original message |
54. Just more evidence of America's war on its youth |
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DefenseLawyer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:41 PM Response to Original message |
71. I'm on record as saying she will be a very conservative justice. |
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Liberation Angel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Jun-11-09 10:55 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. sadly I agree |
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northernlights (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Jun-13-09 01:52 PM Response to Original message |
104. maybe the distinction is that even though she wrote the blog at home |
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