Durbin caving-in on public option demonstrates that Obama has blown it

[brentspeak]

Obama's entire political strategy on the health-care reform issue (if it can truly be called a "strategy") was to let Congress -- along with the freaking health-care industry -- by themselves come up with the plans and fight over the details, with the White House simply standing off to the side and chipping in with occasional vague pronouncements.

Well, as any child could have predicted, it didn't work. The true-blue congressional Democrats who actually do give a damn, like Durbin, have been given little significant support from Obama. They're like the doomed WWI soldiers who were ordered by the far-away generals to charge over the trenches; anyone who managed to get to the other side have found themselves alone, separated from any help, in hostile territory, and quickly cut-down.

Where was the leadership? Where was the support?

[babylonsister]

1. Bwhahaha! You rounded my night out with your b.s.

:rofl:

Durbin said one sentence, and now Obama has blown it? :rofl:

Please. So very silly.

[vaberella]

3. ugh...the OP just managed to piss me off for the damned night.

What's wrong with people on this board?! What's worse he didn't even post the sentence or the link where it was done.

[ProSense]

4. I sense a desperation from

the Obama has failed crowed. The economy hasn't stabilized despite what the economists say, and health care has failed despite a frantic GOP/insurance industry effort to kill it.

[depakid]

6. You're still not getting it

It's not about Obama or anyone else this or that- it's about getting effective policy enacted.

In the end, that's what counts.

[ProSense]

8. What?

"Obama has blown it"

That is about Obama. Don't come at me with cheap psychology. There are bills, a debate is raging, nothing is final. The friggin end isn't here, and anyone predicting failure or declaring failure is useless at the very least.

[depakid]

10. Did I say that?

If you think this is all about Obama re: critics- then definitely not getting it. You're smarter than that.

Maybe I also should have said- not only isn't this Verdun- but it's also not Dunkirk.

Come on now. Let's get effective policy passed.

[ProSense]

13. Wait

was my original response to you?

Wasn't I commenting on a response to the OP?

I think you're smart enough to know that.

[depakid]

18. Ease up and do your thing

[brentspeak]

11. "despite what the economists say"

:spray: :rofl: :wow: :wow: :wow:

Since all but a minority of professional economists failed to see the housing bubble coming, anyone at this stage in American history who still takes "the economists'" word for it is in need of some real help. There's only a few intelligent economists out there -- the same ones who warned about the housing bubble and escalating consumer debt due to lost jobs and easy credit -- and they're not among those stupidly heralding "stabilization".

[ProSense]

14. Enlighten me who are the minority?

Clues?

[brentspeak]

16. Holy crap

If there's such thing as a "pointless red herring question designed to shift the issue", then yours' is the perfect example.

In answer to your pointless question (and I'm answering it mostly for the benefit of other readers here), a few economists who knew what the hell they were talking about concerning the housing bubble: Dean Baker, Peter Morici, Robert Kuttner, Michael Hudson, Nouriel Roubini. There were others, too, who understood what was happening, like Peter Schiff, who aren't professional economists and aren't necessarily "liberal", but who also got it right.

There's an answer for your question. Now you answer mine:

A) Who are the economists who say the economy is stabilizing; and B) did any of them warn about the housing bubble ahead of time?

[ProSense]

19. Ah

Roubini

Krugman

[brentspeak]

44. Why are you linking to an article about Krugman?

Did you see Krugman's name mentioned in my previous post?

[LynnTheDem]

31. Isn't it neat how one glance at the topic & you know who wrote it?

:rofl:


PS; Hi 'sis, how are ya! :hug:

[vaberella]

2. What the fuck are you talking about?

Are you not seeing what the Dems are dealing with and your talking about the shit that has no sources but your own rather negative views.

People are harassing others and our own Dems who are active supporters at Town Hall meetings. Obama has sent out his Senators and Congressmen to talk to the people and they are being high-jacked and people are being assaulted and/or threatened with violence to the point of being mortally wounded and your talking about Obama not supporting his people.


What the fuckin' hell is going on here?! I'm downright pissed now. This is the kind of post you put up and think it will do what exactly?! You're talking nonsense when health care is being undermined by Republicans and basically everything we're seeing is caused by them and you're saying Obama is not supportive?! He's out there as well, and he's having his own Town Hall meeting and being a foot soldier.

Shit I'm tired of this crap on this board. Ugh, disgusting. You'd think you'd really be focused on rallies and getting our side more organized to get things done...no, you whine without proofs. Ugh.

[brentspeak]

7. It takes a special kind of dumb

You think what I'm saying is "negative"? Then you have no idea what's actually being said about Obama beyond microphone range by the Democratic members of Congress themselves. I have friends who are Democratic staffers, and the things they are reporting concerning what their bosses say about Obama's lack of leadership and support would make you quit blithering about my posts in record time.

[ProSense]

9. "You think what I'm saying is 'negative'?"

"Durbin caving-in on public option demonstrates that Obama has blown it"

You're right, that's special.

[Life Long Dem]

22. Lack of leadership?

That's a joke.

[grantcart]

48. nothing speaks more about how completely out of touch you are with reality

that you would quote unnamed Congressional staffers about Obama's lack of leadership and support.

It is Congress that has cowered and made the President's job much much worse.


There are dozens of examples but the most glaring is that of closing down Gitmo. The President has done all of the heavy lifting only to find even congressional Democrats begging "don't send them to the maximum security prison in my home state".


With Teddy out of the lineup the Democrats in Congress have shown a sustained and aggressive cowardice waiting for the President to take on every hard issue and run their own re election campaign too, all the time that President has to keep an economy on the edge of implosion from collapsing.


Congress unable to take action because of not enough Presidential Leadership - this is the stupidest comment you have ever made and that is rising to herculean levels of achievement.

[depakid]

5. Oh good grief it's not analogous to Verdun

[brentspeak]

17. Admittingly, an unwieldy metaphor

"Alone, and up the creek without a paddle", is the kind of thing I was trying to say, but I wanted to avoid that particular cliche.

[depakid]

20. Understood

And it makes sense, too.

[BlooInBloo]

12. lolol!

[Cali_Democrat]

15. Obama has already blown it on health care?

Damn...that sucks. Now what?

Should Congress members cancel the rest of the town halls stop talking about the issue altogether? Apparently it's over and Obama has already blown it so I guess it's time to move on to another issue.

By the way, do you have a link to the final health care bill proposed? It would be really nice if you to provided me with that link because I don't have one.

Thanks!! :hi:

[and-justice-for-all]

21. "Obama has blown it" and how the fuck do you get that conclusion?

Obama has done what he can do, it is congress that needs to get their shit together and give us the Public Option.

I do not blame Obama for a damn thing, he has been clear and precise as to what he wants to see in this reform; Dems in congress need to get their head out of their ass and bulldoze those repukes and get the shit done.

[Better Believe It]

23. President Obama will support any bill that the insurance industry and drug cartel wants.

Like single payer, a strong public option was never really on the table.

The insurance industry and drug cartel would oppose such legislation.

[Name removed]

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[vaberella]

32. What are you talking about?

He specifically said that if the public option was not viable he was not signing it. He also specifically pushed a strong public option for his 2 year run. He NEVER advocated single payer as a CANDIDATE!

You people are as bad about spreading lies as the Repubs.

[Baltoman991]

50. As usual

you're talking out your ass again. Tell me, do you ever tire of being wrong?

[Doctor_J]

24. The terrorists have won

It's more our fault for not fighting back. Not surprising, given the last 8 years.

[PVnRT]

25. No, Congress has blown it

Our "leaders" in Congress are all too willing to cave in to a party that has virtually no power whatsoever. They're either incompetent or don't want reform to happen.

[JVS]

26. Both congress and Obama have blown it

[vaberella]

37. Oh so it's Congress and Obama's fault when there are fools ruining Townhalls?!

It's their fault that is going on and hence the reason viable health care is on the fence. The media's legitimization of the actions of these people doesn't have a single effect. Congress to me has failed a million times over---however the Repubs do have some serious power in able to flood the Town halls with these loud minorities who are throwing out death threats and have submitted to violent tactics at the Town halls. The media is always to blame because their owned by repugs as well. But I've seen Obama seriously pushing this and focusing a lot of his energy on getting the word out and this is what happens----where people are again spewing death threats to him because they believe he's trying to kill them.

Our duties didn't end with President Obama's election, we should be going out there and struggle for health care at the Town Halls, but there's no talk of that really. These people are running amok and threatening people and the blame is entirely on Obama and/or Congress...man. This is why we fail a lot of the time.

[wininboy]

40. Yes. It's called leadership

"Our duties didn't end with President Obama's election"

Neither did Obama's

[vaberella]

41. And as I stated....Obama hasn't reneged on his duties.

It was him on ABC, it's also him along with some other Congressman doing Town halls. And to even suggest that Obama has been slouching as you and the other poster has definitely makes me wonder who's side your own. I don't even have to sit here and defend him....C-Span and the WH site is enough evidence.

[wininboy]

43. Obama giving a speech is Weak Tea

When Obama starts threatening to withold support from the Dems who withold support for health care reform, then you'll have a case.

And of course you wonder about who is on whose side ; That's the perennial concern of the intolerant

[dionysus]

28. another day, another failthread.

:rofl:

[DevonRex]

38. I wonder how many boards he posts this crap on. He doesn't seem

to stick around to debate so I bet he's just off to post his gloom and doom all over the interwebs.

[DevonRex]

29. And he was born in Kenya, too!

:eyes:

[DevonRex]

30. In all seriousness, I really have to wonder about people who have nothing good

to say about President Obama. Whose koolaid are you drinking? It's not democratic koolaid, that's for sure.

[zulchzulu]

33. Durbin wants to avoid the Repig filibuster and then have insert the Public Option provision

Durbin made it clear that he would have it put back in when the bill goes through its final steps. This is far from over.

Mr. Durbin acknowledged that even if the Senate passes a health care reform package without the controversial public-option provision, Democrats, who control both chambers of the Congress, still could insert the provision in a final compromise during negotiations between House and Senate versions of the bill.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/aug/09/durbin-open-health-bill-sans-us-run-plan/?feat=home_cube_position4

[SIMPLYB1980]

34. Man you defeatist don't make anything easier.

:silly:

[scheming daemons]

35. What will you say, brentspeak, when a health care plan passes this fall WITH a P.O.?

[DevonRex]

36. Then he'll drop the subject altogether.

I wonder what his line of attack will be then.

Edited to put a period instead of a question mark. I hate that. Can't believe I did it.

[Hutzpa]

39. Gee! Thanks for your insight

:rofl:

[graywarrior]

42. Jesus fuck.

[Malikshah]

45. Dick Durbin? You mean the senator who stated that sunnis and shi`is have been

fighting for 1400 years? That Dick Durbin? The one who is as stupid as a sack of wet hammers?

Durbin is clueless.

[CreekDog]

46. That's nice. Now everything any Democrat says can be used to blame Obama

clever.

:eyes: :banghead:

[jenmito]

47. Where's YOUR support? I haven't seen ONE positive thread from you. n/t

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

49. Yeah, because Obama can tell the Congress what to do.

Did you fail basic civics? There are THREE (3) separate and equal branches of government. Obama doesn't the constitutional power to make demands on Congress. The finger should be directed at the Blue Dogs and the Republicans who are filling their pockets with insurance industry campaign donations.

Looks like you need to go back and study government and politics 101.