Is Clark the Dems answer to Schwartzeneggar? A guy men can like.

[billbuckhead]

A photogenic action hero who worked their way up from middle class to superstardom.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

1. So, basically, men only like men who can beat up other men, right?

[hellhathnofury]

2. They also both have questionable party credentials.

Arnold is married to a Kennedy and supports most Democratic social positions.

Wes likes Republicans so much he openly appears at fundraisers and praises their good deeds. He also admits to having voted for Republican presidents.

I don't think you want Wes compared to Arnold. I hope Clark doesn't have other Arnold flaws like hiding from the media, breaking all campaign promises and displaying inappropriate sexual behavior.

[billbuckhead]

8. Arnold won a in Democratic state. I think Wes can win in the South

Truth be told, Wes is a lot more like fellow first in his class West Pointer Robert E. Lee than a "B" movie actor who worked his way up from porno.

[hellhathnofury]

10. But if Wes win's like Arnold, would I want Wes to win?

Arnold gave pie in the sky to voters, hid from the media and the possibility of scrutiny and distorted opponents records.

[billbuckhead]

13. What ever happened to Anyone But Bush? Besides Wes is a Dem action

hero. Clark's "Blockbuster role was ending a century of genocide in Europe on a positive note without any help from a RepuKKKe congress and a hostile Pentagon.

[goobergunch]

20. Not a fan of action heroes

It's my inner geek coming out, I know.

[hellhathnofury]

22. It's still the primary. Clark was getting a free pass for awhile there.

The other campaigns decided to ignore him. Nevermore.

[Lefta Dissenter]

3. That's insulting

Don't you dare compare General Clark to a frickin movie actor.

General Clark is brilliant, he is compassionate, he is educated... He gave 34 years in service to our country - whether you agree with his politics or not, whether you think he's the right man for the presidency or not, it is simply offensive that you would make that comparison.

And, by the way, I consider him 'a guy women can like' as well. I only see that level of compassion in a couple of the other candidates, and they aren't the ones poised to win the nomination.

[goobergunch]

4. That's one of my greatest fears about Clark

Like Schwartznegger, I worry that he is also light on substance.

I know that there is evidence against that. But I can't shake that gut-level feeling.

[hellhathnofury]

5. Me too.

I fear it's nothing but Clinton policy wonks.

[jonnyblitz]

6. ditto. n/t

[WatchWhatISay]

7. Well, yeah, I would think

that a Rhodes Scholarship would be pretty convincing evidence.

[hellhathnofury]

9. That has nothing to do with substance.

Bush has a Yale degree and an MBA from Harvard.

Degree's are not new bold thinking that will lead the party to victory in 2004.

[WatchWhatISay]

15. True, but there is a big difference

Between being a Rhodes Scholar (as was Clinton) and getting into a fancy college on the legacy program.

[hellhathnofury]

24. Nowadays, Rhodes are mostly about grooming.

Once your above the basic credential limits, it's all processing.

Bradly was also a Rhodes scholar and that didn't win him the nomination.

[Rowdyboy]

32. Wes won his Rhodes scholarship in the mid 1960's

nearly 40 years ago. It was not about "grooming" then.

[hellhathnofury]

34. Good to hear. It still doesn't mean that much to me.

Bradley was also a Rhodes scholar and that didn't win him the nomination. There's more to being elected president than a resume.

[Rowdyboy]

36. Means a great deal me

I appreciate raw intelligence, especially when combined with a career of service and a winning personality.

[billbuckhead]

11. "I fear it's nothing but Clinton policy wonks." Sounds good to me!

I hope there's a bunch of Clinton people getting their resumes in order.

[hellhathnofury]

12. I'm voting for the candidate not his handlers.

Clinton sold out the base to appeal to moderates. Remember their great performance in 2000? That should have been a cakewalk.

[billbuckhead]

17. Haven't you heard? Dean's handlers have him incumicado after he

put Job in the New Testament while Dean was pandering to Christians about how religious he was.

[goobergunch]

19. No, haven't heard that

I usually try to concentrate on stuff that is happening IRL, thanks.

And incumicado doesn't exist.

[hellhathnofury]

21. Who are you to question Dean's religiosity?

He need's a break. Unlike most of the other candidates Dean answers every question and naturally he's going to make some slips.

[billbuckhead]

27. A slip? For all intents and purposes Dean lied about his religiousity

Last week, to answer questions about his religiousity; Dean said he knew a lot about Chritianity. Then Dean went and stuck his foot in his mouth in a way that showed what a phony he was.

[hellhathnofury]

29. Maybe that's because he's exhausted. Everyone makes slips.

He corrected himself too.

I don't think he's phony, I think he's like most Americans. Do you really want a fundamentalist? Is being a good Christian that important to you?

[goobergunch]

18. I hope they aren't the ones behind the Welfare-to-Work Act (n/t)

[HuckleB]

14. Men like Ahnuld?

Huh? Where are these men? Besides California, and, we all know those ain't "MEN."

;)

[bitchkitty]

16. Ah! So you're saying that

Clark will get the small penis vote?

[billbuckhead]

25. Swartzeneggar is not a movie actor anymore. they won, we lost

and we better start figuring out how to win. Another fake liberal Yankee up the middle play and flinging a bunch of mud in the air ain't getting into the endzone anymore. Maybe we need to run someone larger than life instead of an angry know it all bureaucrat who can't even put Job in the Old Testament. Is Dean an example of an Ivy League education? Maybe it's time to look at other schools?

[bitchkitty]

26. "we better start figuring out how to win"

I think Governor Dean has already figured that out. I can tell you this, if winning means putting in a pseudo-Dem, or frantically, desperately trying to frame a campaign around what Karl Rove thinks, then it doesn't make any difference who wins.

This win used to mean a lot to me - I'm not a healthy person, and I don't think I'll make it until 2008. I don't want to die in a Bush administration, but what if winning means installing someone whom I believe is a wolf in sheep's clothing?

I haven't always felt this way, until Clark supporters were kind and considerate enough to come in and totally ruin what used to be a kick-ass forum. I'd rather have Lieberman than Clark. That's what the 'enthusiasm' of Clark's destroyers has done for me, and believe me sweetie, I am NOT the only one.

[billbuckhead]

28. Dean has 39% unfavorables and constantly looks incompetant

I wouldn't call this guy a winner before any votes are cast.

[bitchkitty]

33. I certainly wouldn't call him a loser

this early in the game.

If I had a penis, I wouldn't let it decide my candidate for me.

[MoonRiver]

23. I'm a woman and Clark is the candidate I support.

He is definitely very charismatic, but more than that he's a person I can respect. He exudes warmth and thoughtful concern. His social positions are right on, and I would feel completely safe in this country if he were our president. Anyway, my point is that Clark appeals to both men and women equally, IMO.

[Jack_Dawson]

30. Nice work! Chix dig Clark

:toast:

[maxanne]

35. proof once more

that Clark is the candidate for the fearful.

[JVS]

31. Not a fan of either.

They both lack substance