Kerry will lose because the voters are idiots!

[edhopper]

Take a look at the "voter perception" from todays NYT/CBS poll.
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2004/09/18/politics/campaign/20040918_POLL_GRAPH2.html
After the most negative campaign from an incumbent in recent history and a hate filled GOP convention, the public perceives Kerry as more negative.
They are EVEN on "think the candidate can admit a mistake"! Kerry EVEN with George W. No-Blame. And Even on handling the economy.
This is what the idiots who make up the voting public think.
People look at the lying smug idiot in the White House and think he will be BETTER at handling a foreign crisis.
I am disheartened.

[xray s]

1. Don't pay attention to the polls, they are worthless

and don't worry about the public's perception of Kerry today, they have only seen short snippets of his speeches on the news. See what they think of him after the debates.

[Mortos]

14. Except this one

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x838043#838119

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[wurzel]

3. Perhaps real "idiots" believe the polls. They are totally phony.

Gallup "likely voters" poll assumes that only 33% of Dems will vote, while 40% of Republicans will vote. That gives the Republicans a 20% weighting advantage. If Kerry loses it will be voter fraud.

[shockingelk]

17. You're looking at it from the wrong perspective

The methodology doesn't assume that.

What is happening is that the way they determine "likely voters" results in a population that is heavily Republican.

For example, they may eliminate a Democrat who says they're "not following the election closely", but has known for years that they will vote for "anybody but Bush."

If that only kinda makes sense, I describe the flaw I see in detail in the thread Likely voters, flawed methodologies and ABB.

[comradebillyboy]

4. if kerry loses it will be because

of his overly passive campaign and the assumption that all he had to do was not be george bush.

he could find a coherent position on iraq for starters. i pay real close attentionto what the candidates say and do and i dont know what kerry's iraq position is

[MichiganVote]

9. Oh yeah, like we all understand Bush's "position"

The issue is Bush's actions (and inaction in the face of reoccuring violence) that none of us are going to be privey to. Pays your money public, send your son's and daughter's to slaughter and I promise you you'll be free. Who cares? Or I promise you you'll be safe. Another crock.

If Kerry has led a passive campaign, Bush has led an even more passive campiagn in Iraq. And unless I'm mistaken, he still has the job. So what exactly are we paying him to stay in the WH for?

[comradebillyboy]

11. bush is the prez, kerry is the challenger

the burden is on kerry to make the sale

what ever he is selling, not enough people are buying

he is not convincing the ind that he is the man for the job

bush may be a total fuck-up but kerry still has not made the case he is better

he comes across as wishy washy and indecisive and incoherent

he has shown signs of life in the last few days so maybe running for president will begin to take priority over wind surfing

[ItsMyParty]

13. Everyone waits with baited breath for Kerry to stretch forth his hands

and part the Iraq waters. As one of the talking head generals said the other day on tv: This mess is going to be a mess for anyone to straighten out but Bush dug this hole and digs it deeper every day; thus, the people have the choice of voting for him and watch the hole go deeper or vote for Kerry who at least has the 'possibility' of bringing fresh ideas and aid from other nations because Bush has NO possibilities of anything. Best thing I ever heard one of these generals say!!! But, I know, we'd rather have a deeper hole to China if we can't get Moses to part the water for us.........

[MichiganVote]

19. Bush as Moses. Funny image.

[MichiganVote]

18. Nope. Its up to Bush to prove his mettle. Not the other way round.

So far a large percentage of voters aren't buying what he has to sell.

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[goodwalt]

5. Buck Up

Buck up camper, unless they manage to get away with stealing this one via paperless voting, we are going to win this one walking away. Democrats HATE this sob worse than Nixon- and that means voter turnout will be high. The sad truth is that if Dems voted in the same percentages that Repugs do, we would always control both houses of congress and the Presidency. THIS time, our turn-out will be HIGHER percentage wise because HATE is a powerful motivator.

[AmerDem]

8. right

last I heard Dems account for approx 64 million registered voters and repukes were at 38 million, if I remember right.

The only way Kerry would lose this is if the e voting scams go unchecked!

[baltodemvet]

6. No, he won't

Voters know Chicken George has screwed up.

[comradebillyboy]

7. i hope you are right

[gulliver]

10. I think many people decide who they are for on gut ...

... and then try to rationalize their decision. So they may not actually think Kerry is more negative. They may in fact have no idea who is more negative. They have just decided for the moment that Bush is leading or that they want him to lead, and they alter their justifications to fit the scenario.

[okieinpain]

12. polls are not worthless. they do serve a purpose. I believe kerry is in a

good striking range, and these polls show it. bush has not had high poll numbers without it coming from some manufactured event. the good news for us is bush is already coming back to earth. kerry just needs to keep hammering away. one little chip at a time.

[progressivebydesign]

15. It's frustrating to see, but I don't want to think of voters as idiots.

It's counterproductive, and bad energy. They are partisan and misinformed... calling them idiots just alienates them further.

[BillZBubb]

16. It's certainly wrong to generalize that ALL voters are idiots, BUT

we can be absolutely certain that about 35% are total morons.

That means we are always fighting from a position of disadvantage. The moron vote goes Repuke almost automatically. That means we've got to get 5 out of 7 votes from the not mentally limited.

[goodwalt]

21. Comes with the territory

That is the nature of a democracy- any democracy. Churchill has a good quote on this, but I'm tired and drunk, and can't come up with it. I absolutely LOVE the two shrub quotes at the bottom of your post. Why am I not seeing them every day in DNC commercials lambasting the repug LIE that chimpy is "strong" and "resolute"? I'm of course not saying that YOU should lay out a few million dollars for ad time, but why the hell isn't the DNC or Texans for Truth or American's That Are Sick of Bullshit calling them on this?

[Poiuyt]

20. Intellectual candidates have never done well

I guess there is something comforting about voting for a president who is just a regular guy. Remember Adlai Stevenson when he was running for president, a woman called out to him, "You have the vote of every thinking person!" Stevenson called back, "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

Personally, I would want a president who was smarter than me.

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[Maddy McCall]

25. Yeah, considering GORE won the election.

Bye, troll! :hi:

[tedzbear]

24. Maybe not idiots, just not dissatisfied.

Maybe they think things are not that bad, or could be a lot worse.

1. they bought a new car using the cash from their mortgage refi.

2. they work for the gov. so they aren't worried about lay-offs.

3. they own their own fast food joint so they feel secure.

4. 1,000 dead soldiers is no big deal compared to Vietnam (as long as the causualty isn't their relative).

5. They already are retired and collecting social security.