Nazi Herman Goering weighs in on the 2004 Presidential Election

[Tweed]

I believe Karl Rove's mentor is Herman Goering.  Is this
partisan bullshit?  I think not.  Check out this quote:

"Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in
Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That
is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine the policy and it is always a simple
matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or
a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist
dictatorship. ... Voice or no voice, the people can always be
brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you
have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce
the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the
country to danger. It works the same in any country."

General Herman Goering, President of German Reichstag and Nazi
Party, Commander of Luftwaffe during World War II: April 18,
1946. 

Maybe comparing Bush to Hitler is a going too far.  But
comparing Rove to Goering?  There is grounds for it

Edited: Link:
http://answers.google.com/answers/main?cmd=threadview&id=235519

[nadinbrzezinski]

1. I dunno about comparing them to Nazis

but Fascists, you betcha...

Now Nazis, we may even be able to get away with it after the dust settles and we can actually EXAMINE the record

[Kierkegaard]

2. Yes, indeed.

It does work the same in any country, under any kind of government. 2000-2004 America is an example in progress.

[rwenos]

3. The Big Lie Theory Strikes Again

The tactics used by Rove and his brown shirts are so much like the National Socialists in 1934, it's laughable.

I've posted this quote from "Mein Kampf" so many times on DU. It can never be repeated enough, in my view:

The "Big Lie":

". . . the magnitude of a lie always contains a certain factor of credibility, since the great masses of the people in the very bottom of their hearts tend to be corrupted rather than consciously and purposely evil, and that, therefore, in view of the primitive simplicity of their minds, they more easily fall a victim to a big lie than a little one, since they themselves lie in little things, but would be ashamed of lies that were too big. Such a falsehood will never enter their heads, and they will not be able to believe in the possibility of such monstrous effrontery and infamous misrepresentation in others; yes, even when enlightened on the subject, they will long doubt and waver, and continue accept at least one of these causes as true. THEREFORE, SOMETHING OF EVEN THE MOST INSOLENT LIE WILL ALWAYS REMAIN AND STICK."

(Emphasis added.)

Hitler, A., "Mein Kampf," Berlin, 1924.

COULD IT BE MORE OBVIOUS WHERE ROVE LEARNED HIS CRAFT?

[Tweed]

4. America should be afraid

Very afraid

[PATRICK]

5. Go farther

The Fascists were enthusaistic amateurs to a game the aristocracy had been playing routinely for centuries. Even rediscovering Macchiavelli, another verbose enthusiast, only shows someone trying disastrously to exploit an old tradition exercised more coldly, cynically and matter of factly by warlord elites of the past.

The real conflict, the fam,iliar tactics are ANCIENT, a struggle that has only become a struggle as ordinary people have obtained more power, more education, more voice than ever before as old tyrannies have sunk to oblivion. Whgat we have left- mostly- is the rediscovery by giggly neocon newcomers and nmercantile monopolists of the old Rings of Power.

Confining the discussion to fascists is too limited and somewhat deceptive too. Also it is TOO comforting since we rely on the fact that m,ost peoeple recognize the German variety as monsters, losers and totally discredited. It is also TOO distracting since the word has become a blinding eptitthet where nothing is won in the comparison no matter how clear and close is the dispassionate comparison.

Somehow we always miss the most important fact. The clear trajectory and unsevered lines leading from the fascists to the Bush dynasty(the worst exemplar of old and new varieties of undesirable overlords). Those lines are more important than the flame war that drowns out the
fascist label debate.

[rwenos]

6. Faint Whiff of Monarchism

Patrick:

Yours is a sophisticated critique of my point about Nazi propaganda technique, which I make all the time and which is probably a little too obvious to win any new hearts and minds.

What interests me most about your post is your use of the term "The Rings of Power." It sounds to me like you're talking about incipient Monarchism, as practiced in the High Renaissance by the crowned heads of Europe.

What exactly do you mean by "The Rings of Power"? This is not a hostile question -- I find the subject fascinating, especially juxtaposed against the undercurrent of dynasty in the Bush family.

Please give me more to chew on here.